When a cold drink is placed on coasters, the women become victim of violence...

py2006

'Each downing of a glass demonstrates a woman being hit in the face': Japanese domestic violence campaign uses coasters that transform into women with bruised faces when a beer glass is placed on them'

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How do you feel about this campaign or campaigns on domestic abuse/violence in general? Is it sending out the right message and if so do you think it would work?

Is domestic violence a drunken thing or do these people need drink in the first place?

Also, should these campaigns include men nowadays?

osarusan

py2006 wrote: »

Also, should these campaigns include men nowadays?

Good idea in general, but yes, it should include men. All violence is wrong.

SeanW

Because every man who has ever had a drink is a wife-beater? WTF? Least I know which bars to avoid if I'm ever in Tokyo.

eviltwin

Alcohol is a factor in a lot of violent acts so it's a good idea, might make people think. Should include men too absolutely and possibly cars to educate about drink driving ie nice car becomes mangled wreck.

Special Circumstances

osarusan wrote: »

Good idea in general, but yes, it should include men.

And the 68 other (current) genders.

libelula

Alcohol doesn't 'make' anybody violent. Either it's in you or it's not.

Lollipops23

Nice idea, but I don't think it'll deter someone from beating their significant other (male or female).

Best we can hope for is that it sparks a discussion about domestic violence.

Title is misleading. There's a surprise.

osarusan

Surely that kind of innovative technology will be used for advertising before long, if it is not already.

Unless the beermats are costly to produce.

py2006

I'd say the beermats are costly alright. Pubs won't pay for them so I guess the government would have to supply them.

I've had many a beer and never hit a woman, what a load of ****e.

Wossack

Ironically, its when I dont use a coaster, that I often end up with bruises

valoren

It's the most insidious drug of them all.

Anything to highlight it's negativity is to be welcomed.

Nollog

valoren wrote: »

It's the most insidious drug of them all.

Anything to highlight it's negativity is to be welcomed.

women?

5starpool

Silly.

Too many people are victims of violence (1 is too many), but a campaign like this would not help things at all and would essentially punish loads of people who don't engae in this, as well as people drinking soft drinks too, unless the coaster can tell the conents of the glass.

osarusan

5starpool wrote: »

Silly.

Too many people are victims of violence (1 is too many), but a campaign like this would not help things at all and would essentially punish loads of people who don't engae in this, as well as people drinking soft drinks too, unless the coaster can tell the conents of the glass.

How are they being punished by putting their glass down on these coasters?

The idea that there is an implication that every person whose drink activates these coasters is being branded a violent abuser is ridiculous.

Dyr

COuld backfire, it might remind some lad to throw a few slaps into the missus when he gets home

fizzypish

Did anyone ever think that maybe the problem is with the coasters? Coasters cause violence.

SeanW

osarusan wrote: »

How are they being punished by putting their glass down on these coasters?

It's a shock campaign, the equivalent of Goatse or Lemonparty. Perfectly reasonable to have a problem with that.

The idea that there is an implication that every person whose drink activates these coasters is being branded a violent abuser is ridiculous.

No, it's not. It's being aimed at everyone (mostly men) who patronise the bar and thus use those coasters. Why target it at everyone unless you're saying any of them could be abusers?

5starpool

osarusan wrote: »

How are they being punished by putting their glass down on these coasters?

The idea that there is an implication that every person whose drink activates these coasters is being branded a violent abuser is ridiculous.

You don't think being assailed by potentially disturbing images is being punished perhaps, but I do. It'd be like forcing everyone to look at those cigarette packs with diseased body parts on them even if you're not a smoker.

I doubt anyone would see one of those beer mats and thinks "that's right, I beat up the missus when I have a few drinks, I'd better not drink again tonight, thanks beer mat".

Money spent on a campaign like this would be better spent on public education and increasing protection and help options for people affected by domestic violence.

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SeanW wrote: »

It's a shock campaign, the equivalent of Goatse or Lemonparty. Perfectly reasonable to have a problem with that.

No, it's not. It's being aimed at everyone (mostly men) who patronise the bar and thus use those coasters. Why target it at everyone unless you're saying any of them could be abusers?

Conditional tense there, important. Any of them could be abusers, just as any of us posting here could be violent murderers.

I mean every time I turn on the TV I have to watch graphically violent road safety ads, despite the fact that I don't drive. But it'd be a bit much to take that as a personal insult from the department of road safety.

Same thing here, just on a smaller scale.

The Diabolical Monocle

So now when you get tired of looking at adverts of starving children in Africa you can just switch off and head down the pub .... and see beaten women.

no peace allowed.

SeanW

Mikaela Green Car wrote: »

Conditional tense there, important. Any of them could be abusers, just as any of us posting here could be violent murderers.

Yes. But since I don't know you, I have no cause to believe you are a violent murdered and as such no reason to treat you like a potential murdering psychopath, and you would be right to consider it out-of-order if I did.

I mean every time I turn on the TV I have to watch graphically violent road safety ads, despite the fact that I don't drive. But it'd be a bit much to take that as a personal insult from the department of road safety.

Yes, and it's fine IMO to have a problem with that too. A bit of common decency (i.e. not engaging in shock campaigns) is or should be basic manners.

I like hot whiskys.

What will these coasters do for me.

jimgoose

The Japanese have even more and varied issues with booze than we have. It doesn't surprise me in the least that they have oddball ads like this. :pac:

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5

SeanW wrote: »

Yes. But since I don't know you, I have no cause to believe you are a violent murdered and as such no reason to treat you like a potential murdering psychopath, and you would be right to consider it out-of-order if I did.

Yeah if you directly addressed me and only me and said "don't go and violently murder someone, electro~bitch!" I'd be nonplussed. If you started a thread saying "Nobody on AH should violently murder someone!" I'd heartily agree with you sir!

Yes, and it's fine IMO to have a problem with that too. A bit of common decency (i.e. not engaging in shock campaigns) is or should be basic manners.

If you're going to have a shock campaign on an issue like this though, I don't see a bar as a particularly bad place to have it. It means children won't see it, for one thing.

py2006

Mikaela Green Car wrote: »

If you're going to have a shock campaign on an issue like this though, I don't see a bar as a particularly bad place to have it. It means children won't see it, for one thing.

Not sure about Japan, but a lot of pubs are family orientated here during the day with food etc.

osarusan

SeanW wrote: »

No, it's not. It's being aimed at everyone (mostly men) who patronise the bar and thus use those coasters. Why target it at everyone unless you're saying any of them could be abusers?

Exactly what electro-bitch said in response.

Massive difference between saying everybody is XXX (which is the interpretation I said is ridiculous) and anybody could be XXX.

Do you feel accused every time you see a 'shoplifters will be prosecuted' sign when you go shopping? It's much the same thing.

osarusan

5starpool wrote: »

You don't think being assailed by potentially disturbing images is being punished perhaps, but I do. It'd be like forcing everyone to look at those cigarette packs with diseased body parts on them even if you're not a smoker.

Again, exactly as electro-bitch said.

If your definition of punishment encompasses that, fair enough, but it's on a par with feeling graphic road safety ads punishing viewers.

py2006

Do you feel accused every time you see a 'shoplifters will be prosecuted' sign when you go shopping? It's the same thing.

Well you would if every time you lifted up an item it set off some sort of warning about shoplifting

5starpool

osarusan wrote: »

Again, exactly as electro-bitch said.

If your definition of punishment encompasses that, fair enough, but it's on a par with feeling graphic road safety ads punishing viewers.

As far as I know, the worst of those ads are on after 9pm, and of the adult population watching then I'd imagine about 70% of them are drivers (figure pulled from thin air, could well be higher) but what % of pub goers hit their partners or children? Probably a very small %, and of those that do, a beermat won't reform them. Comparing it to the road safety ads isn't that valid.

Anyhow, it's all pretty irrelevant as we won't be seeing them in pubs over here even if the Japanese do it.

osarusan

5starpool wrote: »

As far as I know, the worst of those ads are on after 9pm, and of the adult population watching then I'd imagine about 70% of them are drivers (figure pulled from thin air, could well be higher) but what % of pub goers hit their partners or children? Probably a very small %, and of those that do, a beermat won't reform them. Comparing it to the road safety ads isn't that valid.

How many drivers are drunk-drivers though? I'd say a small number, perhaps smaller than the drinkers who also abuse their spouse. Perhaps those drunk drivers won't be reformed by ads either.

We don't have any data to compare their validity really, and it's not about that - my point is that I don't think that the campaign implies every drinker is an abuser, and I don't think they insult those who don't either. You do, so fair enough.

I didn't really comment on whether the campaign is a good use of money at all. You think it would be better spent elsewhere - again, fair enough.

5starpool wrote: »

Anyhow, it's all pretty irrelevant as we won't be seeing them in pubs over here even if the Japanese do it.

Agreed.

Stojkovic

Remember that programme Tenko !!!

5starpool

osarusan wrote: »

How many drivers are drunk-drivers though? I'd say a small number, perhaps smaller than the drinkers who also abuse their spouse. Perhaps those drunk drivers won't be reformed by ads either.

We don't have any data to compare their validity really, and it's not about that - my point is that I don't think that the campaign implies every drinker is an abuser, and I don't think they insult those who don't either. You do, so fair enough.

I didn't really comment on whether the campaign is a good use of money at all. You think it would be better spent elsewhere - again, fair enough.


Agreed.

A lot of those ads focus on careless driving though, and things such as speeding and being tired while driving. I'd imagine most drivers have at some point done things considered unsafe such as checking or talking on a phone, driven while excessively tired, driven at unsafe speeds on roads, overtaken in a bad spot (at least one of the above). those ads are about creating awareness of consequences of things that a lot of people do, even if infrequently.

Anyone who drink drives now knows they are doing something they shouldn't, same as people who beat up their partners or kids, and need help that can't be given by a beermat message. If someone has got to the point of having ordered a cold drink and left it on a beer mat, they will drink it.

jackofalltrades

They should just leave people alone and let them have their drink in peace.

Plenty other times/places to "raise awareness".

stimpson

valoren wrote: »

It's the most insidious drug of them all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9tdcGmBefM