Delphi v Toyota brake pads

walsh.peter

Front pads need to be replaced on my 2006 Toyota corolla. Toyota quote me 120Euro incl fitting.
Rang advance pitstop and they quoted me 85Euro incl fitting. Told me it would be delphi brake pads.

Anyone have any experience with these Delphi brake pads or should i just pay the extra and stick with Toyota.

Regards
Peter

Flood

Go with pitstop, Toyota probably throw in factors pads also.

hamburg

Flood wrote: »

Go with pitstop, Toyota probably throw in factors pads also.

i agree. my sisters clio was serviced and new brakepads by a renault garage and they used a wix oil filter and apec pads. but the parts are perfectly fine.don,t recall if they put them down on the docket as genuine renault parts but she was happy enough.

cletus

Toyota don't make brake pads. Like every manufacturer, OEM items like pads are bought from another company. According to the google machine Akebono is, if not the only one, at least one of a number of OEM suppliers.

Flood

Textar and Aisin are others.

biko

Delphi pads are fine.


Thread not a DIY effort, moved to main forum.

walsh.peter

Thanks for the replies folks. Got some other quotes and all way cheaper than Toyota . Getting sorted next week.

166man

Was down with my local Alfa mechanic in Enfield recently, he was doing the brake pads on his neighbours Corolla also as a favour as they were completely worn. He had to get Delphi pads as unbelievably his local Toyota dealer hadn't them in stock.

I watched him fit them and he had some nightmare getting them to fit. I'd go for the genuine Toyota parts myself.

Flood

166man wrote: »

I watched him fit them and he had some nightmare getting them to fit. I'd go for the genuine Toyota parts myself.

What nightmare they are only pads, if they are a little tight file them where needed, its not rocket science.

cletus

166man wrote: »

Was down with my local Alfa mechanic in Enfield recently, he was doing the brake pads on his neighbours Corolla also as a favour as they were completely worn. He had to get Delphi pads as unbelievably his local Toyota dealer hadn't them in stock.

I watched him fit them and he had some nightmare getting them to fit. I'd go for the genuine Toyota parts myself.

I drive a corolla, I've changed front and back pads and discs. I've never bought them from a dealer. I use either Bradshaws or micksgarage.

Far from a nightmare to do. You need to wire brush the calipers, and maybe scrape the locations for the tabs of the pads with a flat head screwdriver, but a pretty straightforward job tbh

166man

Flood wrote: »

What nightmare they are only pads, if they are a little tight file them where needed, its not rocket science.

These needed quite a bit more than a tight file, I saw it myself.

cletus wrote: »

I drive a corolla, I've changed front and back pads and discs. I've never bought them from a dealer. I use either Bradshaws or micksgarage.

Far from a nightmare to do. You need to wire brush the calipers, and maybe scrape the locations for the tabs of the pads with a flat head screwdriver, but a pretty straightforward job tbh

I know how to change brake pads.

These pads wouldn't actually fit and needed considerable shimming to get them to fit.

Just an observation folks, calm down...

cletus

I'm at home, finished work for the day, and I've a glass of red in my hand. Couldn't be calmer.

My post was just to point out that in general this is not a bad job, and I wouldn't be recommending anybody pay dealer prices(assuming here of course that dealer prices week be higher than motor factors/spurious parts) for an item like brake pads

MuppetCheck

€35 to not let advanced near your car?

Bargain.

knifey_spoonie

Just to give you an idea, As someone working in a Toyota Garage we are charging €42 for the pads and €35 for fitting so your looking at €78 for Toyota Pads fitted in a Toyota Dealer.

In fairness there has been a major reduction in the price of Toyota Pads within the last week, which in reality makes the Toyota Pads as cheap as spurious.

JohnBoy26

166man wrote: »

These needed quite a bit more than a tight file, I saw it myself.



I know how to change brake pads.

These pads wouldn't actually fit and needed considerable shimming to get them to fit.

Just an observation folks, calm down...

It's quiet common when changing brake pads that piece of the pad has to be shaved off in order for it to fit properly. No big deal what so ever and defiantly not the mountain you seem to think it is.

Delphi wil do fine

166man

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

It's quiet common when changing brake pads that piece of the pad has to be shaved off in order for it to fit properly. No big deal what so ever and defiantly not the mountain you seem to think it is.

Delphi wil do fine

Funny, all the times I have done brake pads using proper parts on my Alfas, and numerous other cars I have never had to shave off a piece of the pad to get them to fit. Seems like a silly thing to have to do. Buy the quality part the first time and do it right.

walsh.peter

knifey_spoonie wrote: »

Just to give you an idea, As someone working in a Toyota Garage we are charging €42 for the pads and €35 for fitting so your looking at €78 for Toyota Pads fitted in a Toyota Dealer.

In fairness there has been a major reduction in the price of Toyota Pads within the last week, which in reality makes the Toyota Pads as cheap as spurious.

Interesting. It is a local authorized Toyota service centre that quoted me 120euro..

JohnBoy26

166man wrote: »

Funny, all the times I have done brake pads using proper parts on my Alfas, and numerous other cars I have never had to shave off a piece of the pad to get them to fit. Seems like a silly thing to have to do. Buy the quality part the first time and do it right.

What makes you think that the "quality part" doesn't need shaving? Even genuine pads will need shaving sometimes. As others have said it's not a big job., and it's definitely not a silly thing to do. One might realize that if they had a bit more experience under their belt.

Flood

166man wrote: »

Funny, all the times I have done brake pads using proper parts on my Alfas, and numerous other cars I have never had to shave off a piece of the pad to get them to fit. Seems like a silly thing to have to do. Buy the quality part the first time and do it right.

Delphi are a good quality pad, I think that mechanic you saw was a bit of a drama queen. Hate to see him do a challenging job on a car.

joe912

85 euro to change front pads sounds like 50 euro labour for 20 minutes work

166man

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

What makes you think that the "quality part" doesn't need shaving? Even genuine pads will need shaving sometimes. As others have said it's not a big job., and it's definitely not a silly thing to do. One might realize that if they had a bit more experience under their belt.

I mean, are you serious? changing brake pads is something I have done numerous times on my Alfas using genuine parts, recently did the Fathers 159 actually and with the pads I used, there was no shimming needed, nor was it needed when QV did his front pads...or the pads on my 156....and my 166...

Noticing a trend here? I didn't say it was a big job, just one I wouldn't expect to do. But hey if you're only buying cheap spurious parts then I guess you get what you pay for.

A little more time spent reading posts properly would go a long way for you JB.

166man

Flood wrote: »

Delphi are a good quality pad, I think that mechanic you saw was a bit of a drama queen. Hate to see him do a challenging job on a car.

In my experience their suspension wishbones for Alfa Romeo are utterly woeful, so I don't hold out much hope for their brake pads. Fit whatever you want though, I'll continue with my genuine parts.

This mechanic is the same chap who put an Alfa V6 into a Lotus amongst many things, not that I'd expect you to know that of course.

JohnBoy26

166man wrote: »

I mean, are you serious? changing brake pads is something I have done numerous times on my Alfas using genuine parts, recently did the Fathers 159 actually and with the pads I used, there was no shimming needed, nor was it needed when QV did his front pads...or the pads on my 156....and my 166...

Noticing a trend here? I didn't say it was a big job, just one I wouldn't expect to do. But hey if you're only buying cheap spurious parts then I guess you get what you pay for.

A little more time spent reading posts properly would go a long way for you JB.

Oh believe me I've read your posts properly. You might like to think that you know it all but from reading your posts it's obvious that you have little experience. The snob in you is getting the better of you

I bet if a mechanic done pads for you they would at some pint have to skim the pads. Sometimes they will fit fine, other times they will fit but an experienced mechanic might still see that the pads are sitting in too tightly and as a result will skim them. A diy'er most probably won't pick up on this if the pad fits in.

It doesn't matter weather they are genuine pads or not.

Flood

166man wrote: »

In my experience their suspension wishbones for Alfa Romeo are utterly woeful, so I don't hold out much hope for their brake pads. Fit whatever you want though, I'll continue with my genuine parts.

I was not trying to convert you at all to use delphi parts. What company does Alfa actually use for their brake pads?

This mechanic is the same chap who put an Alfa V6 into a Lotus amongst many things, not that I'd expect you to know that of course.

I could not possibly know that, do you want me to give him an award or a medal or have a mass said for him?
Transplanting engines from one manufacturer to another is not as complicated as you may think. How he managed the v6 conversion when a simple brake pad change was a nightmare is almost unbelievable.

Toyotafanboi

166man wrote: »

I mean, are you serious? changing brake pads is something I have done numerous times on my Alfas using genuine parts, recently did the Fathers 159 actually and with the pads I used, there was no shimming needed, nor was it needed when QV did his front pads...or the pads on my 156....and my 166...

Noticing a trend here? I didn't say it was a big job, just one I wouldn't expect to do. But hey if you're only buying cheap spurious parts then I guess you get what you pay for.

A little more time spent reading posts properly would go a long way for you JB.

So 4 cars, yeah? :P

Have to admit this discussion highlights well the difference between a seemingly competent diy'er and a qualified mechanic and why a guy handy with spanners can never masquerade as suggesting they know as much as a mechanic (not suggesting you are)...

What may have looked like a nightmare to a fella who's diy'd a couple of sets of pads with no major trouble is very routine practise fo a guy who has probably fitted more pads in some afternoons than you have in your entire life.

Making some grinder based adjustments certainly wouldn't be uncommon. If anything he was making some adjustments based on professional experience and good judgement to assist the operation of the pads.

As stated in another thread before, i have also never seen or heard of the toyota brake pad factory, i think TRW made them for toyota at the time? which would somewhat level the playing field between the genuine and spurious items

166man

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

Oh believe me I've read your posts properly. You might like to think that you know it all but from reading your posts it's obvious that you have little experience. The snob in you is getting the better of you

I bet if a mechanic done pads for you they would at some pint have to skim the pads. Sometimes they will fit fine, other times they will fit but an experienced mechanic might still see that the pads are sitting in too tightly and as a result will skim them. A diy'er most probably won't pick up on this if the pad fits in.

It doesn't matter weather they are genuine pads or not.

Yes I am the one here with little experience. However I wont resort to name calling over a simple discussion. If you're trying to claim spurious parts are as good as the OEM one then I simply haven't the time to debate with you.

I think ye took me up a bit strongly with my use of the worked nightmare, it was more the inconvenience he highlighted than anything, which frankly I thought was understandable. If I buy a car part, I expect it to fit, not have to mess around with skimming machines to make them fit.

Hasn't just been Alfas I have changed the pads either, and I have never had to skim OEM pads.

Flood wrote: »

I was not trying to convert you at all to use delphi parts. What company does Alfa actually use for their brake pads?



I could not possibly know that, do you want me to give him an award or a medal or have a mass said for him?
Transplanting engines from one manufacturer to another is not as complicated as you may think. How he managed the v6 conversion when a simple brake pad change was a nightmare is almost unbelievable.

I believe it's TRW they use but I'd have to check, not 100% certain. Yeah transplanting engines from manufacturer isn't as complicated as you'd think. You really lost my interest with that comment I'm afraid!

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

So 4 cars, yeah? :P

Have to admit this discussion highlights well the difference between a seemingly competent diy'er and a qualified mechanic and why a guy handy with spanners can never masquerade as suggesting they know as much as a mechanic (not suggesting you are)...

What may have looked like a nightmare to a fella who's diy'd a couple of sets of pads with no major trouble is very routine practise fo a guy who has probably fitted more pads in some afternoons than you have in your entire life.

Making some grinder based adjustments certainly wouldn't be uncommon. If anything he was making some adjustments based on professional experience and good judgement to assist the operation of the pads.

As stated in another thread before, i have also never seen or heard of the toyota brake pad factory, i think TRW made them for toyota at the time? which would somewhat level the playing field between the genuine and spurious items

Quite a few more than 4 cars

Good thing I don't pretend to be a mechanic so. He likes to fit OEM where he can, and where budget allows, this was his view on it, and as a qualified auto engineer, I'll take his view rather than three lads "DIY'ER" on the Internet.

And no, he made the adjustments to the pads because they wouldn't fit, like I already said the first time.

Flood

166man wrote: »

I'll take his view rather than three lads "DIY'ER" on the Internet.

How do you know what qualifications we have or dont have?