Ryanair 737-700?

highlydebased

Just spotted this on Twitter. V interesting. A sign of future things to come?

https://twitter.com/IrishAero/status/595686036354834432

https://twitter.com/IrishAero/status/595686521765756928

Tenger

Highly doubt it.
FR want the high capacity -800 for commercial reasons. With their large flight crew numbers having a dedicated trainer is probably worthwhile. The -700 will have similar flight characteristics to the -800.

arubex

The -700 leasing rates are 30 to 40% lower than the -800 as it's not a popular type for routine service.

Trust Ryanair to spot a money-saving option for training! Makes sense to use as many -800s as possible for revenue service.

L1011

It's quite an old -700 also, probably why the main consumer of second hand ones (southwest) wasn't interested.

olive20

Its happening I can tell you 700 on its way, vip kit

Preset No.3

L1011 wrote: »

It's quite an old -700 also, probably why the main consumer of second hand ones (southwest) wasn't interested.

The oldest 733 Southwest has is nearly 30 years old.
The oldest 737-7 Southwest has is over 18 years old.

L1011

Preset No.3 wrote: »

The oldest 733 Southwest has is nearly 30 years old.
The oldest 737-7 Southwest has is over 18 years old.

And?

They aren't adding 16 year old planes to the fleet as expanion/733 replacements. They're adding <10 year old ones.

EICVD

Jethros have this down as being acquired for use as a trainer.

Locker10a

https://instagram.com/p/6sZV2NEO5G/

Photo of the -700 here

martinsvi

why do a full paint job for something that's going to be used only as a trainer?

Locker10a

martinsvi wrote: »

why do a full paint job for something that's going to be used only as a trainer?

Didnt they also say it would be used as a "spare" for adding capacity or doing rescue flights! I guess this along with the marketing aspect of brand visibility resulted in them deciding to give a full paint job.

billie1b

martinsvi wrote: »

why do a full paint job for something that's going to be used only as a trainer?

Its not only a trainer, it operated its first pax flight the other day, it did double STN due to a tech Air Explore aircraft, it also operated DUB-NCL and return today. Its supposed to be getting based in STN for a few weeks now to keep up the Air Explore rotation and then it will be back as a Monday to Friday trainer and weekends in DUB before its VIP conversion begins. Its also being said that he's looking at getting another 5 or 6 700's

Locker10a

billie1b wrote: »

Its not only a trainer, it operated its first pax flight the other day, it did double STN due to a tech Air Explore aircraft, it also operated DUB-NCL and return today. Its supposed to be getting based in STN for a few weeks now to keep up the Air Explore rotation and then it will be back as a Monday to Friday trainer and weekends in DUB before its VIP conversion begins. Its also being said that he's looking at getting another 5 or 6 700's

VIP ?

billie1b

Yeah they're thinking of turning it into an all business class cabin config (like BA's A318) and chartering it out as a private jet at the weekends or else putting an economy class in the front section and a small business (8-12 seats) in the aft and using that as a weekend charter to European destinations or St.Johns Canada

EchoIndia

If used transatlantic does it need other mods to equip it for ETOPS? Westjet, for example, only have four or five 737-700s equipped for oceanic flying.

Tenger

EchoIndia wrote: »

If used transatlantic does it need other mods to equip it for ETOPS? Westjet, for example, only have four or five 737-700s equipped for oceanic flying.

Think it needs some radio gear and some life-rafts. Not 100% on that however

FreudianSlippers

billie1b wrote: »

Yeah they're thinking of turning it into an all business class cabin config (like BA's A318) and chartering it out as a private jet at the weekends or else putting an economy class in the front section and a small business (8-12 seats) in the aft and using that as a weekend charter to European destinations or St.Johns Canada

With the Lear Jet being used mainly to shuttle around parts, it's not efficient for management to have to take a commercial flight all the time. For that reason, having a VIP jet makes a lot of sense commercially - the cost is negligible in the end.

ohigg84

What routes does the Ryanair -700 fly on?

Never saw her at DUB yet.

billie1b

ohigg84 wrote: »

What routes does the Ryanair -700 fly on?

Never saw her at DUB yet.

She's a spare in DUB at the minute, she operates Monday to Friday in EMA and then out of DUB as a spare from Friday evening to Sunday night or Monday morning (she positions back to EMA then). Her reg is EI-SEV

ohigg84

billie1b wrote: »

She's a spare in DUB at the minute, she operates Monday to Friday in EMA and then out of DUB as a spare from Friday evening to Sunday night or Monday morning (she positions back to EMA then). Her reg is EI-SEV

Many thanks, might catch her Sunday so!

The Veteran

This might sound stupid but ...

How much does one of these cost to buy\lease and the. To run in terms of costs per hour in the air?

I'm just wondering if it makes any remote sense for say "Ireland" to buy one and use it as a Government jet but also as an air transport for officials on well travelled routes like DUB to Brussels, Geneva, London? Also, could it then be used for troop transport for UN rotations, deportations or Evacs of airing citizens (rare I know) that currently need charters.

I've been on the Brussels run over the years and at times the plane is full of officials (I know I say full but plenty anyways). Don't know what the costs would be of operating the aircraft but if the costs of hotels, subsistence etc were taken into account, with a bus pick up the other side to avoid taxis etc it's got to be worth looking at. It could be a flying office with comms etc and operating a daily DUB to BRU service with other uses factored in around that.

Might sound stupid but ...

ScouseMouse

I was messing on flightradar on Sunday or Monday evening (I think) and DEFINATELY saw this approaching dublin from the UK with crew training in the title.

billie1b

Yeah thats the title that FR24 have given it

Stevek101

http://www.flightradar24.com/reg/ei-sev

Seem to be using it today for regular flights beyond EMA? Is it going into regular service?

JCX BXC

Stevek101 wrote: »

http://www.flightradar24.com/reg/ei-sev

Seem to be using it today for regular flights beyond EMA? Is it going into regular service?

That link doesn't go anywhere for me, but id imagine it could just be filling in for an aircraft that went tech?

billie1b

Carnacalla wrote: »

That link doesn't go anywhere for me, but id imagine it could just be filling in for an aircraft that went tech?

No it was on the schedule today, on again in the morning on schedule, unless its changed by now

homerjay2005

a VIP Ryanair plane sounds class, is it actually going to happen?

martinsvi

The Veteran wrote: »

This might sound stupid but ...

How much does one of these cost to buy\lease and the. To run in terms of costs per hour in the air?

brand new costs 80 mil

as the old saying goes in aviation, multiply your fuel costs by 3 and you will get your running costs.. if that's even remotely accurate, I believe b737-700 with the average fuel consumption at 3 tonnes per hour, at JET1a costing somewhat around 70c per liter.. 3 tonnes of fuel should be around 4000 litres at a price of 2800 euro multiplied by 3 - you end up with something like 8400 eur an hour..

in reality it's probably slightly less, it really depends on how the asset (as in plane) is managed and whether you account for depreciation in value or not. When you look at Ryanair, they buy planes in bulk, get them cheaper than other operators and because of the lack of new aircraft in the market (that they create with their bulk-buying ways), they can sell their 737 before their D-check comes for nearly the price they bought it new. This allows them to keep their running costs significantly lower than smaller operators or governments, which will tend to run aircraft to the ground and sell it for chips

billy few mates

martinsvi wrote: »

brand new costs 80 mil

as the old saying goes in aviation, multiply your fuel costs by 3 and you will get your running costs.. if that's even remotely accurate, I believe b737-700 with the average fuel consumption at 3 tonnes per hour, at JET1a costing somewhat around 70c per liter.. 3 tonnes of fuel should be around 4000 litres at a price of 2800 euro multiplied by 3 - you end up with something like 8400 eur an hour..

in reality it's probably slightly less, it really depends on how the asset (as in plane) is managed and whether you account for depreciation in value or not. When you look at Ryanair, they buy planes in bulk, get them cheaper than other operators and because of the lack of new aircraft in the market (that they create with their bulk-buying ways), they can sell their 737 before their D-check comes for nearly the price they bought it new. This allows them to keep their running costs significantly lower than smaller operators or governments, which will tend to run aircraft to the ground and sell it for chips

Not too many 737 operators do D Checks any more, in fact under MSG-3, letter checks are no longer used at all. although there's nothing to stop an operator calling them A, B, C, D, or even X, Y, Z Checks...