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Alcasser girls case, 13th November 1992, Spain

  • 02-05-2015 8:23pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12


    I would like to share with you guys the story to the weirdest multiple crime ever in Spain that shocked the whole country so much 23 years ago. It is still unsolved by some unofficial theories because the official story is nothing, but ****.

    Hope the forum device will allow me to post some images and links as soon as possible to show you how it was.

    Mod Edit to include links/pictures and relevant sources

    Hi. It would be better to edit my first post just this way, as follows, if possible:


    I'm gonna tell you this dreadful story which socked and shamed Spain twenty-two years ago:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Alcasser_Girls

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    Some people in Spain have always think that this crime has something more than what we think. The police arrested Miguel Ricart because they found in the place where the girls were killed a piece of medical paper where was written the name and adress of one of his friends, who is called Enrique Anglés. That is hard to believe because the girls were killed in mid November and they were found in late January with that piece of paper remaining motionless there without being blow away by the wind.

    Some guys from a Spanish website put a piece of paper in the same place and wait just for 2 weeks, they came back to the place and the paper has completely dissapear due to the windgusts. They tried it few times and they only found the paper 2-3 times and it was like 40 meters from where they have put it.
    One theory is that someone put that paper there to incriminate Miguel Ricart and Antonio Angles. It's also strange that they both were criminals more focused in drug and robbery stuff, and then suddently they make this horrible crime. Other theories even say that it was all about a snuff movie. In fact, a priest of Alcasser church got a suppodsely snuff movie of it for a person who go to confession, then a friend of the parents of these girls received the snuff movie given him by the priest, who always keep confession confidential. That friend is a criminologist who had been investigating everything since the first day because of the huge inconsistencies the official story has.

    In fact, that criminologist who is called Juan Ignacio Blanco wrote a book of it, (on which I will draw upon most of that thread), and still speaks nationwide in order to search the truth. That's the book, in Spanish language:

    http://webs.demasiado.com/elpalleter/qpalcacer.htm

    The supposedly snuff movie came to the knowledge of the Minister for Police by Juan Ignacio Blanco and one of the parents of the three teenage girls, just the most combative to find the truth, who is called Fernando García, but anyone never got an answer of it.There are some reports of people that could have seen the snuff movie on the deep web, but whatever.

    They were the three teenage girls who were savagely tortured to death:

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    He is Miguel Ricart. He was sent to prison for more than twenty years and there was not hard evidences against him. Probably police officers coerced him to create a false guilty. He was sent out of prison on late November 2013 because his sentence, (as many others too) was handed down by European Court under what is known as the Spaniard Parot Doctrine:

    http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2013/10/23/European-court-ruling-could-mean-early-release-for-notorious-killer/UPI-12151382568366/#ixzz33ERscbor

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    http://www.noticiasdenavarra.com/2013/11/29/sociedad/estado/miguel-ricart-en-libertad-tras-pasar-mas-de-20-anos-en-la-carcel-por-el-crimen-de-alcasser



    He is Antonio Anglés, a drug criminal who was arrested 28 times before Alcasser crime. What's unexplanaible he was able to avoid the intense search of police, being able himself to go from Valencia, Spain, to Lisbon, Portugal, without being arrested, according to the official story which is probably mostly fake.
    He escaped when the police went to his house to capture him. It seems he was hidden for approximately one month in the province of Valencia, harassed by the intense search of the police. He was almost captured in Villamarchante town, but he managed to escape although there was a lot of guards all around the city. His track appeared again a few days later in Minglanilla, last place of Spain where it was known that he was.In March 1993, he was seen again in Lisbon, Portugal. Police say he embarked as stowaway in a ship who is called "City of Plymouth", where he threw itself supposedly on having been discovered near the coasts of Ireland. From there his track got lost forever. It is believed that he froze to death or drowned in these waters, but until today nothing is known. There was not also any hard evidences against him. He still remains unaccounted for:

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    He is Fernando García, the most combative one of the fathers of the teenage girls. He was in London on 27th January 1993 to show this case on British television; that day the three girls were found dead in clandestine grave randomly by two beekeepers in a wild uninhabitated wasteland called as "La Romana", which is located more than 30 km away from Alcasser town:

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    There are some few spaniards forums which contains some threads to this horrible crime, in which the fake official story is undermined because that official story has a lot of stranges inconsistencies. These are some of these threads, on which I will come to base some of that thread too. In fact, all I want to do is to show to English speakers how much wrong the official story of that crime was. Some of these threads in Spanish language:

    http://www.forocoches.com/foro/showthread.php?t=3608549

    http://www.burbuja.info/inmobiliaria/conspiraciones/476349-crimen-casi-perfecto-de-angles-huella-20-anos-despues-de-alcasser-ii.html

    http://rumorologia.foroactivo.com/t22-asesinato-de-las-ninas-de-alcasser

    P.D. I'm not fully fluent but I will do my best.


Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,761 ✭✭✭✭degrassinoel


    You can pm the links and i'll edit the first post to include them provided they are actually a CT.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12 overdrive1979


    Friday afternoon, 13th November 1992. Three teenagers from Alcasser named Antonia, Miriam and Desirée probably tried to go to a party school which took place in the nearby town of Picassent, located about two kilometers away from Alcasser, but not sure about. Anyway, they never arrived at their destination that day.

    They have also tried to convince to one of their personal female friend, called Esther Diez, to go to the party school too, but she had flu-like symptoms so she chose remain quiet at home.

    There is the first contradiction: Esther Diez testified that her friends have left her home at 20:15 or 20:20, according to her digital clock video, which is not the same that Esther's mother testified, the three girls left her home at 18:00, so there is a huge leap in time between the testimonies giving by Esther and her mother.

    Another witness was one of their teenage male friends, called Francisco Antonio Soria, who saw them walking in Alcasser streets at 19:45 h. There is another huge contradiction in the timeline to what Esther and her mother said.

    Another witness was a person called Francisco José Hervás, who saw them waiting beside a traffic light on the periphery of Alcasser towards Picassent at 20:15. He was driving his own car accompanied by his girlfriend, called Maria Luz Lopez. He asked them where they're going, he move them about 500 metters to the first streets of Picassent because there was wrong with the car, so Francisco José stopped his car in a petrol station, then he drove until a workshop, so the three girls got out the car and walking down towards nightclub Discoteca Coolor. There is also another time leap contradiction with Esther and her mother.

    There is another one: Francisco Jose said the girls were waiting beside a traffic light, maybe they found hitchhiking dangerous, instead of his girlfriend, Maria Luz Lopez, who said the three girls were hitchhiking in a bashfully way. They both involving themselves in contradiction in May 1997, because in the justice court Francisco Jose said he was driving a gold-coloured Seat Ronda car, and his girlfriend said it was a white Ford Orion car. It's hard to believe too to expected that a workshop may be open on Friday at 20:15 h.

    One of the legal lawyer asked him on the legal court about his criminal records, but inexplicably, that question was ignored and never answered.
    Once the three girls kept walking in Picassent's streets, they were seen by another teenage male friend, called Jose Antonio Cano, at 20:20. He was riding his scooter going in the opposite direction of the three girls. Another contradiction: A few days later, Jose Antonio Cano testified at police department that he didn't see any car around the three girls. Five year later, in the justice court, he testified that he saw how a white small Opel car pass near the girls. Maybe he was pressured by police to adhere to official story, because in accordance with official story, the three girls were kidnapping in a white Opel Corsa car.

    The last witness was a 63 years old female, called Maria Dolores Badal. She was at home, looking through a window watching people in the street at 20:00, when se saw how three girls were hitchhiking until a white car stopped, and they got into the car. She can see four male occupants inside the car. After Maria Dolores Badal, nobody saw them alive anymore.

    She was the only one witness that testified with great perseverance at the justice court, altough she still was involving in a contradiction.She said she remember that when she saw the teenage girls, the street lights switch on automatically, but at mid November in eastern Spain (Valencia province) at 20:00 it got dark night. In fact, at that time of the year the sunset is 17:48, as follows:


    Some other friends of the three teenage girls were into the disco nightclub (called as Discoteca Coolor) in that high-school party, and they say at the end of that party to the fathers of the three teenage girls that any of them never reached that place.

    According to the criminalistic Juan Ignacio Blanco, who lived for more than a year in Alcasser with Fernando García, (who is the father of Miriam García) to investigate that stuff, a witnesse of the girls, just Jose Antonio Cano, revealed him that he really did not seen the three girls the day of the dissapearance.
    The official story allways kept that the three girls want to go to Discoteca Coolor at the high school party, but according to most of the witnesses, they supposedly intended to do it at 20:00 or 20:15, when their fathers allways put them a specific time to return back at home, just 21:30 h, so it's a very small time to enjoy the party and then walking down back home as long as two kilometers.
    They also haven't quite enough money to buy tickets at the door entrance, and they did not carried any presale tickets of it in their pockets.
    It's hard to believe why they intended to go to the high-school party without both enough money nor presale tickets, as it can be reasonably expected that they could have buy it in the previous days at their school, so looks like that timeline could be partly or even totally fake, or at least, the three teenage girls never intended to go the high-school party.

    It's hard to believe too why the police did take testimony to the witnesses too late as seven days after of the dissapearance, and even why was Francisco José Hervás the first one to do it if he is not a friend of them, when it can be reasonabily expected that Esther Díez, who is the most close friend of them, may have report her testimony at the first time.
    Did the police coerced all the witnesses in order to built a fake story? Probably police did that, but whatever.

    Mod Edit per user request:
    Thanks you very much and sorry for bothering you again, but I need to edit my second post this way. Thanks in advance, cheers:

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    Friday afternoon, 13th November 1992. Three teenagers from Alcasser named Antonia, Miriam and Desirée, presumibly intended to go to a party school which took place in the nearby town of Picassent, located about two kilometers away from Alcasser, but they never arrived at their destination that day.

    They have also tried to convince to one of their personal female friend, called Esther Diez, to go to the party school too, but she had flu-like symptoms so she chose remain quiet at home.

    There is the first contradiction: Esther Diez testified that her friends have left her home at 20:15 or 20:20, according to her digital clock video, which is not the same that Esther's mother testified, the three girls left her home at 18:00, so there is a huge leap in time between the testimonies giving by Esther and her mother.

    Another witness was one of their teenage male friends, called Francisco Antonio Soria, who saw them walking in Alcasser streets at 19:45 h. There is another huge contradiction in the timeline to what Esther and her mother said.

    Another witness was a person called Francisco José Hervás, who saw them waiting beside a traffic light on the periphery of Alcasser towards Picassent at 20:15. He was driving his own car accompanied by his girlfriend, called Maria Luz Lopez. He asked them where they're going, he move them about 500 metters to the first streets of Picassent because there was wrong with the car, so Francisco José stopped his car in a petrol station, then he drove until a workshop, so the three girls got out the car and walking down towards nightclub Discoteca Coolor. There is also another time leap contradiction with Esther and her mother.

    There is another one: Francisco Jose said the girls were waiting beside a traffic light, maybe they found hitchhiking dangerous, instead of his girlfriend, Maria Luz Lopez, who said the three girls were hitchhiking in a bashfully way. They both involving themselves in contradiction in May 1997, because in the justice court Francisco Jose said he was driving a gold-coloured Seat Ronda car, and his girlfriend said it was a white Ford Orion car. It's hard to believe too to expected that a workshop may be open on Friday at 20:15 h.

    One of the legal lawyer asked him on the legal court about his criminal records, but inexplicably, that question was ignored and never answered.
    Once the three girls kept walking in Picassent's streets, they were seen by another teenage male friend, called Jose Antonio Cano, at 20:20. He was riding his scooter going in the opposite direction of the three girls. Another contradiction: A few days later, Jose Antonio Cano testified at police department that he didn't see any car around the three girls. Five year later, in the justice court, he testified that he saw how a white small Opel car pass near the girls. Maybe he was pressured by police to adhere to official story, because in accordance with official story, the three girls were kidnapping in a white Opel Corsa car.

    The last witness was a 63 years old female, called Maria Dolores Badal. She was at home, looking through a window watching people in the street at 20:00, when se saw how three girls were hitchhiking until a white car stopped, and they got into the car. She can see four male occupants inside the car. After Maria Dolores Badal, nobody saw them alive anymore.

    She was the only one witness that testified with great perseverance at the justice court, altough she still was involving in a contradiction.She said she remember that when she saw the teenage girls, the street lights switch on automatically, but at mid November in eastern Spain (Valencia province) at 20:00 it got dark night. In fact, at that time of the year the sunset is 17:48, as follows:

    http://espanol.weather.com/climate/sunRiseSunSet/Valencia+V+Espa%C3%B1a+SPXX0082:1?month=11

    Some other friends of the three teenage girls were into the disco nightclub (called as Discoteca Coolor) in that high-school party, and they say at the end of that party to the fathers of the three teenage girls that any of them never reached that place.

    According to the criminalistic Juan Ignacio Blanco, who lived for more than a year in Alcasser with Fernando García, (who is the father of Miriam García) to investigate that stuff, a witnesse of the girls, just Jose Antonio Cano, revealed him that he really did not seen the three girls the day of the dissapearance.
    The official story allways kept that the three girls want to go to Discoteca Coolor at the high school party, but according to most of the witnesses, they supposedly intended to do it at 20:00 or 20:15, when their fathers allways put them a specific time to return back at home, just 21:30 h, so it's a very small time to enjoy the party and then walking down back home as long as two kilometers.
    They also haven't quite enough money to buy tickets at the door entrance, and they did not carried any presale tickets of it in their pockets.
    It's hard to believe why they intended to go to the high-school party without both enough money nor presale tickets, as it can be reasonably expected that they could have buy it in the previous days at their school, so looks like that timeline could be partly or even totally fake, or at least, the three teenage girls never intended to go the high-school party.

    It's hard to believe too why the police did take testimony to the witnesses too late as seven days after of the dissapearance, and even why was Francisco José Hervás the first one to do it if he is not a friend of them, when it can be reasonabily expected that Esther Díez, who is the most close friend of them, may have report her testimony at the first time.
    Did the police coerced all the witnesses in order to built a fake story? Probably police did that, but whatever.

    http://es.scribd.com/doc/118330287/Libro-Censurado-de-Juan-Ignacio-Blanco-Muerte-Ninas-Alcasser#scribd


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12 overdrive1979


    27th January 1993, sixty-five days later of the disappearance of the three girls.
    At that time, the Spaniard society was very concerned by what could happened to the three teenage girls.


    Two beekeepers, called Gabriel Aquino and José Sala, decided to check their hives in a day of hives maintenance. Theirs hives were located in a rugged uninhabitated landscape called as "La Romana", which is difficult to get by land because of stone roads, located about 35 km away to Alcasser town.
    The beekeepers arrived to La Romana at 10:00 am, so they decided to wait for a while because the day was too cold to see the bees, as they are hidden into the hives to survive at low temperatures on winter.

    Gabriel Aquino remain walking around while waiting, and Jose Sala kept sitting on a stone beside the hives.
    Twenty minutes later, Gabriel Aquino found an unexpected thing between wild grash and bushes, just some removed soil and shrubs cuts into a pile. He shouted to José Sala so he ran fast to check what's happened there.

    They were very suprised at all, so José Sala took a hand tool and removed the cuts shrubs. It was going to be the most horrible thing they ever have seen: A hand appearing out of soil with a watch, probably belongs to a man because it was a large hand, as they claimed later in the legal court.

    Then, they were to "Guardia Civil" Spaniard police to report their finding.
    Understandably, there was not any off-road vehicles at the police department of Llombay town, so they had to wait for two hours until an appropiate off-road car arrived. Again, understandably, any off-road vehicle of the police came, in spite of there are bigger town near Llombay, and surely their "Guardia Civil" police department could have some off-road cars.

    Finally, a black road car came two hours later, with two plainclothes men in it, according to Gabriel Aquino, so he went to "La Romana" wild wasteland accompanied by these two plainclothes men, whereas Jose Salas must wait for the off-road car to came back accompanied by some policemen to La Romana. These two plainclothes men did not reveal their identities at that time, but several days, according to a police report they belong to "Guardia Civil" police. The report also said there weren't sent out two policemen, but three ones.

    There are more contradictions in another police reports that were written in another police departments to describe what happened on Llombay's police department that day.

    In Alberique town "Guardia Civil" police department, they receive a call phone for it. According to their police report which was written there, any of two beekeepers came back to La Romana until they had been accompanying by the judge on duty.

    According to another report writting by police department of Valencia city, only one person went to La Romana to check himself the grisly finding, just the captain of Alberique police department.

    The another beekeeper, José Sala, in his first statement of the subject in the judicial process in May 1997, he claimed that he never split up of Gabriel Aquino that day, also that the two beekeepers came back to La Romana with several policemen in an off-road car. Thus, he claimed that at the same time they hit La Romana, another off-road car came with the judge on duty in it.
    Then, the judge ordered a face to face encounter between the two beekeepers, and finally was Gabriel Aquino who said the truth.

    Why these reports were probably fake? Was trying the police to build a official story to hide something who must never come to light?
    Why did Jose Sala say such a lie? Was he pressured by police as the last witnesses of the three girls Jose Antonio Cano probably were coerced too?

    Finnally, according to Gabriel Aquino, he came back to La Romana with these two plainclothes policemen in their road car. One of these policemen carried a bag.
    The last kilometer to hit La Romana is a hard dirt stonyroad, then the road dissapear, so everyone trying to reach it by car must get out of the car, just to do the last 70 metres by walking down in wild grass and stone ground.

    Once Gabriel Aquino and the two plainclothes policemen hit La Romana to check the finding, the policeman who carried a bag gave him a pair of surgical gloves, then the policeman suggested to Gabriel Aquino and to the other policeman to go for a walk around to find anything.
    At that time, the policemen who remained beside the calndestine grave took a look between scrublands, and found himself some clothes, just some coats and belts.
    "These clothes belong to Alcasser teenage girls!" he shouted.

    Why the policeman gave surgical gloves to Gabriel Aquino, as he's not a policemen but a beekeeper?
    Why he claimed these clothes belong to the three girls without ckecking what was inside to the place of the burial?
    Being a policeman who suppodsely collects-up to date information of police development of this crime, why was he so wrong with the clothes the three girls wore on 13 November 1992?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,831 ✭✭✭Torakx


    Do you have the names of the official police investigators in charge? And the judge?
    Do they have connections to same organisations, societies, golf clubs etc.
    What kind of conclusions does the book come to?

    It's a sad story and a puzzling CT.
    We have many similar stories in Ireland as well and often they are covered up or lead to nothing, with issues in investigations.
    But we are the most corrupt country in the world according to some recent statistics.

    When I first saw this thread and read of three girls taken and turn up months later, my first thought was snuff movie :(
    I am afraid that was most likely the case. What info has come out in regards to this darknet movie?
    Surely the private/personal investigator has found it by now?

    Although, when I consider that to find a particular snuff movie, he might have to search and view other snuff movies, I really could understand how this could be a very difficult thing to put himself through and for the sake of what? To maybe see the indoor environment and compare to the house that was appointed as the holding place? It seems too much to ask of anyone.

    I did a quick search because I had a feeling politicians and certain secretive societies would be involved. As many here know well by now, the biggest criminals are all in power and those who want to join them in their darker secretive activities, tend to move towards joining these groups and working for these groups.
    It is speculated that governments who are run by corporations and rich families, have inteligence agencies who use these tapes for blackmail.
    Here is one search result i came across, which at the very end of the page has comments about this story of these three girls in Spain.
    There are a lot of extra details I found here that were not in this thread and maybe worth lookng into.
    The rest of the page otherwise is a pretty detailed list of British pedophiles working in government and other connected groups/companies.

    Because some of the descriptions of the murder are graphic, I will put a spoiler cover over it and people can choose to read it or not.
    Sorry spoiler doesn't work :( colour issues... maybe the mods can helpif the text is too graphic. Maybe it is ok..
    The situation is exactly the same or even worse in Spain. There are plenty of missing children, disappeared in a strange circumstancies, and the police is not capable to find any of them alive, and only a very few as dead.

    The case of Alcásser revelead the sickness in a sad way. 1992 in Valencia, Spain, three girls were kidnapped, raped, tortured sadistically and finally killed by shooting them.

    The bodies were finally found, and the investigation took place by police them hiding and destroying evidences and the oficial forences of Valencia washing dna marks away during the first autopsy.

    The girls were victims of the ritual murders. They were raped with crosses, like the cross of Caravaca, which is an old Templar Knights cross, nowadays used by masons. There were also masonic symbols tattooed or drawed in their skin, like a pyramide or the number 32, according to someone who saw the fotos taken in the first autopsy.

    “Official” quilties were two little thiefs from the village. Profesor Frontela, the forense presenting the parents, who made the second autopsy, found seven different dna in the bodies. None of them belonged to two boys, scapegoats from the village. One of them is in prison, without having any acces to outside world, the other one disapeared in a strange way, and is probably killed by police. Oficially he escaped and went to Lisboa and maybe to Ireland. The police can´t confirm it.

    The father of one murdered girl, Fernando Garcia, was devastetad because of the “investigation”, and started to make his own investigations. According to him, revealed in a tv-show, there were high rank politicians involved like one minister, as well other public figures of the society.

    One of the named was Luis Solana, the brother of Javier Solana, mason, and a very good friend of king Juan Carlos, mason himself as well. Curiously, the king was in Valencia in the day of the disappearance of the girls. He was saluting NATO´s force in the port of Valencia. In the next weeks those forces were about to go to former Jugoslavia.

    Most of the named persons were and are the members of the socialist party PSOE. This also happened during the government of PSOE, PM Felipe Gonzales. Calvé, then president of Valencia, was also linked to the case. One girl disapeared mysteriously from the clinic, partly owned by Calve, just a week before the Alcasser case etc.

    These rapists and murderers are worst scum of the world and the press-owners, the members of the same disgusting sects, backing them.
    http://lahaine.org/espana/caso_esconde.htm

    http://abundanthope.net/pages/Political_Information_43/THE-PAEDOPHILE-RING-THAT-ENCIRCLES-BRITISH-POLITICS_printer.shtml

    I think already we can at least guess with some confidence that it was someone in power who was involved. The is usually the reason for so many consistent "mistakes" with investigations. Which is why i asked about the judges and investigators and their relationships with groups like masons, templars, golf clubs etc etc.
    In this case page I found, the Templars were the focus.
    A serious line of investigation would probably follow that trail, since it has been very relevant here in Ireland and the UK, or at least I "feel" it has been from my research on these issues over the years.
    My mistake, upon reading it again, theysay it was a knights Templar cross used now by masons. But I can only say thatis what is in the comments there. Maybe the book had more information or evidence?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12 overdrive1979


    Torakx wrote: »
    What kind of conclusions does the book come to?

    Maybe the book had more information or evidence?

    The book had lot of evidence and take apart the **** official story all the time, but still the real true to this multiple crime is unclear. You will see how it was within the next months step by step because the censored book is too long.
    Thanks for your interesting post.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,761 ✭✭✭✭degrassinoel


    are you just posting directly translated from the book?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12 overdrive1979


    are you just posting directly translated from the book?

    Not exactly directly by traslating all the words, but somewhat summarized. I hope it doesn' violate forum policy because it is a censored book which everyone can read on the internet in Spanish language.
    Once I finished it, I will post many other theories coming from Spanaird threads about such crime.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,761 ✭✭✭✭degrassinoel


    Okay, i understand now.
    And i note that you've posted here

    http://www.unclearparanormal.com/forum9/810.html
    and here

    http://www.crimecasefiles.com/forum/unusual-cases/69578-alcasser-girls-case-1992-spain-15.html

    with the exact same posts.

    This is more suited to a personal blog than a discussion forum. Unfortunately with this type of posting, you are translating copywritten material which is a legal factor.

    Posting an entire book worth of such material is illegal and forbidden by Boards.ie

    If you like you can post a small excerpt from the book - a paragraph or two and make your own summary from there, presentable for a discussion. Otherwise i have to ask you to stop posting further material from the book.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,761 ✭✭✭✭degrassinoel


    Thread locked - Do not post another thread on this topic without having acknowledged my previous post.

    Posts temporarily unapproved.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,761 ✭✭✭✭degrassinoel


    Thread reopened after discussion with OP.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12 overdrive1979


    Thanks.
    So, I just recommend to everyone to read as much as possible about this weird multiple crime, and then please don't hesitate to ask me whatever you want just to go to discuss.
    That's all.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,831 ✭✭✭Torakx


    I would be very interested to hear what the book or the OP has found out with secret societies connections here.
    Unfortunately I only have a few words of spannish.
    Maybe you can update us, as you find new facts or evidence.
    But if you are still reading the book, I guess I will have to wait :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12 overdrive1979


    Torakx wrote: »
    I would be very interested to hear what the book or the OP has found out with secret societies connections here.
    Unfortunately I only have a few words of spannish.
    Maybe you can update us, as you find new facts or evidence.
    But if you are still reading the book, I guess I will have to wait :)

    We have found several things that points to several secret societies, but unfortunately any of them can be issued as undeniable truths.
    The main one in my personal opinion is the fact that there was a illegal firing range in a town named Paterna back in late 80's and early 90's. Such place is located few kilometers northwest to the city of Valencia and about 20 km north of Alcasser.
    It was ruled by a mercerany man from Israel when both training some mercernaries and allowing them to learn some Spanish, and then they went to Colombia for drug trafficking issues.

    Such thing could be related with another multiple crime that happened in Valencia province at eastern Spain back in January 1989. I mean Macastre murders, where someone killed two teenage girls, a teenage boy and an unknow female prostitute probably from eastern Europe by either using mechanical saws within a cruel human hunt in the countryside and probably giving them some hallucinogenic drugs also. This crime is unsolved also and no one was jailed nor investigated for it.

    There is another odd thing: A foot to one victim of Macastre crime that was cut by a mechanical saw appeared in 27th January 1989 in a garbage can in a street named Alcasser at the city of Valencia. Thus, the date when those two beekeepers randomly found the clandestine grave that unfortunately has the three corpses from the girls of Alcasser was just on 27th January 1993, just four years later to the previous fact that I've said before.

    I think such thing can't happen by random chance.
    Is somewhat suspicious, isn't?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,831 ✭✭✭Torakx


    That is a strange one.
    I did a search for that date and the occult meanings.
    Found this link. Not sure if it applies here or not.
    I tried tocheck the dates against the original murders you pointed to, but I am not sure when these dates count to a satanist. You might have to guess a rough date for when the murders happened, to see if there is another link.

    Jan 20-27 Abduction, ceremonial preparation and holding of sacrificial victim for Candlemas sexual and blood oral, anal, vaginal
    human sacrifice female or child (any age)
    http://www.theopenscroll.com/hosting/SatanicCalendar.htm


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12 overdrive1979


    Torakx wrote: »

    Jan 20-27 Abduction, ceremonial preparation and holding of sacrificial victim for Candlemas sexual and blood oral, anal, vaginal
    human sacrifice female or child (any age)

    No way. The victims of Macastre weren't raped, just heavily tortured, and they got missing on 14th January 1989. For the three threenage girls from Alcasser, they got missing on 13th November 1992 and according to the forensics, they probably died in late November or early December 1992. Thus,there was a victim from Alcasser, just Antonia Gómez, that died virgin., so those dates from the calendar that points to rape teenagers don't fit the timeline of both Macastre murders and Alcasser murders.

    Thus, I don't think so that an average satanic sect is able to buried the three corpses in a unknow place, then make the three corpses to be "found" in the second burial place just in the appropiate date in the landscapes to La Romana where the clandestine grave was suddenly found by two beekeepers early at the morning on 27th January 1993 at 10:00 AM.

    Thus, early morning in January is quite cold even in Spain to go to a hyves-day maintenance because the bees don't go outside to their honey homes.

    Thus, the father of Miriam García, the most combative one to fight the **** official story, was in London to show the disappearance to the three girls to British television, and it was said that he was there by following advices from some members to the luxury Jet Set celebrities from Marbella.

    Thus, the most special police unit to used to investigate weird crimes was not in place on 27th January 1993 because their chiefs asked them to be replaced by another special police unit coming from Madrid, and the clandestine grave was found just in the right time range of 24 hours where any special police unit was in place near Alcasser finding what could happened with the three girls.

    So, there a lot of coincidences that musn't be led by an average gang of satanic, but by the government itself or maybe a gang of rich businessmen trying to either blakamail the governemnt or covered the real murders to Alcasser crime.

    Do you still think such crime was made by a typical satanic sact? I don't think so, but hey, that's just my personal opinion.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,831 ✭✭✭Torakx


    I checked the dates on that site I found and it looks like there are no dates listed around late November to early December.
    Not that this calendar site is the be all and end all of occult dates, but I will leave that line of inquiry for now, unless I hit on evidence or signs of occult symbolism.

    From my reading sofar on other forums with this case, it seems that there are just toomany convenient mistakes that would have very easily been avoided, even by someone not trained in autopsy methods.
    Leaving the cloths soaked after washing everything, in a wet bag, is a great way to destroy and dillute evidence....Didn't they take the clothes off first? nope! Apparently not important...

    There doesn't seem to be any logical reason to destroy chances at investigating properly unless they had intended to make the truth difficult to find.
    This does seem to point to some government agencies covering things up. And the presence of the intelligence agent or possible intelligence agent, may or may not be suspicious as well. What other cases do those people investigate?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12 overdrive1979


    Torakx wrote: »
    I checked the dates on that site I found and it looks like there are no dates listed around late November to early December.
    Not that this calendar site is the be all and end all of occult dates, but I will leave that line of inquiry for now, unless I hit on evidence or signs of occult symbolism.

    From my reading sofar on other forums with this case, it seems that there are just toomany convenient mistakes that would have very easily been avoided, even by someone not trained in autopsy methods.
    Leaving the cloths soaked after washing everything, in a wet bag, is a great way to destroy and dillute evidence....Didn't they take the clothes off first? nope! Apparently not important...

    There doesn't seem to be any logical reason to destroy chances at investigating properly unless they had intended to make the truth difficult to find.
    This does seem to point to some government agencies covering things up. And the presence of the intelligence agent or possible intelligence agent, may or may not be suspicious as well. What other cases do those people investigate?

    I don't think those people investigated some other strange famous cases like Alcasser, because Spain is still a safe European country. Other than either Macastre or Alcasser murders, there weren't so much multiple crimes in Spain in those years, just many individual cases of children that got missing forever whom no one knows what happened with them.

    The only think they investigate so much in those years was "ETA" nationalist basque terrorism.
    Now there is another coincidence. One day two members from "ETA" basque terrorism were arrested by the police and they took them to a countryside area nera Busot in Alicante province, and the police officers forced those two guys named Lasa and Zabala to made a grave, them they tortured them and then they kiled them by a gunshot and took them into the clandestine grave with burnt lime.

    So, all of this was made by the so called "GAL", a gang of police officers being led by the government that totured and killed some members to Basque terrorism.
    And again, all of this indicate that the Spaniard intelligence agency was accustomed to kill and bury people in clandestine graves.

    So, now you can ask yourself why the intelligence agency could be involved in the appearance to the three girls in the clandestine grave located at La Romana, just some 35 km away sotuhwest from Alcasser in Valencia province at eastern Spain.
    Now I'm telling you that the some unofficial theories say that Antonio Anglés was already dead in January 1993 and was buried earlier in the same clandestine grave where the three girls were found on 27th January 1993.
    In fact, there were located few small traces of human bones into the clandestine grave at La Romana that didn't belong to any of the three girls, but to an unknow person.

    So, I mean the police or someone working under their rules probably killed Antonio Anglés and buried him in La Romana because he didn't want to be a scapegoat, whereas his friend Miguel Ricart agree that and was jailed as long as 22 years withouth having any single evidence against him.

    So, now you can ask yourself where they removed the corpse of Antonio Anglés when they put the three girls there in the clandestine grave at La Romana.

    Well, two years ago a group of climbers randomly found few human head bones in the bottom of a chasm near Dos Aguas, just some 25 km away north to the clandestine grave of La Romana. The forensic says such bones did belong to a adult man that died somewhere from 10 to 30 years ago by a heavy blow on his head, and we are still waiting for more conclusive results by DNA tests.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,019 ✭✭✭stuar


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpUCLbTqABI&oref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DOpUCLbTqABI&has_verified=1



    https://youtu.be/OpUCLbTqABI?t=12

    In the above documentary apart from Andre Rand (being the scapegoat) I believe the the puppeteers pulling his strings are filmed at 59:37 and 1:11:37, a NYPD ex-detective and a so called minister of god.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cropsey_%28film%29


    What I'm trying to say is that the people that are firstly suspected are not the be all and end all of a specific incident, there's always higher up's that get away, it's international, same here in Ireland.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12 overdrive1979


    stuar wrote: »

    What I'm trying to say is that the people that are firstly suspected are not the be all and end all of a specific incident, there's always higher up's that get away, it's international, same here in Ireland.


    So, looks like it's the same in many other countries, ugh!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12 overdrive1979


    There was found a small "cruz de caravaca" crucifix into the corpse of Desirée Hernández, just next to her backbone:
    What do you think?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,227 ✭✭✭The Highwayman


    stuar wrote: »
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpUCLbTqABI&oref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DOpUCLbTqABI&has_verified=1



    https://youtu.be/OpUCLbTqABI?t=12

    In the above documentary apart from Andre Rand (being the scapegoat) I believe the the puppeteers pulling his strings are filmed at 59:37 and 1:11:37, a NYPD ex-detective and a so called minister of god.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cropsey_%28film%29




    What I'm trying to say is that the people that are firstly suspected are not the be all and end all of a specific incident, there's always higher up's that get away, it's international, same here in Ireland.

    These videos are marked private on you tube?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,019 ✭✭✭stuar


    These videos are marked private on you tube?

    I don't know what happened to them?, I came across another posted 5 hours ago that has also been taken down...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onUQPjVnIlI

    Probably just youtube doing it's censoring as usual..?

    There's another link here if you want to open an account..

    http://full.moviehulk.com/Blu-Ray.php?DVD=tt1277936

    Actually here it is........

    http://www.popcornflix.com/cropsey/cefc22e7-39f8-4fee-bed7-56164486e4bc

    Adjust the time I gave to 59:08, the slimy looking ex nypd and 1:11:42 Rev Muskit


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