Good news on the jobs front

fricatus

"Some more good jobs news for Waterford later this morning" according to Damien Tiernan on Twitter just now.

Should be interesting to see what it is. There have been a few nice announcements lately. Long may they continue!

crazyman

fricatus wrote: »

"Some more good jobs news for Waterford later this morning" according to Damien Tiernan on Twitter just now.

Should be interesting to see what it is. There have been a few nice announcements lately. Long may they continue!

heard B&L hiring again

reni10

crazyman wrote: »

heard B&L hiring again

125 New jobs announced and a new building which will also create some new temp building jobs:
https://twitter.com/damienrte/status/593348081476853760

Decent enough news...

Stokolan

reni10 wrote: »

125 New jobs announced and a new building which will also create some new temp building jobs:
https://twitter.com/damienrte/status/593348081476853760

Decent enough news...

Agree its good news, for both those that work there and the indirect labour created from it.

Wanderer78

good news but all this has a sting in the tale. we have fallen back many years in regards pay and working conditions in this country. im deeply saddened by all this. i feel we re at the bottom of the mountain again. many families struggling out there

Musicman2000

Is that not taken back on the people that were left go? With lower pay.

Stokolan

Nope they have taken on about as many people that took the voluntary redundancy. So these jobs would be on top of that.

Wanderer78

Musicman2000 wrote: »

Is that not taken back on the people that were left go? With lower pay.

you do raise a good point though. we ve been codded

mooseknunkle

Musicman2000 wrote: »

Is that not taken back on the people that were left go? With lower pay.

What people you talking about?,anyone that left took voluntary redundancy so wont be taken back on,these are all new jobs and is great news for Waterford and the south-east.

Wanderer78

mooseknunkle wrote: »

What people you talking about?,anyone that left took voluntary redundancy so wont be taken back on,these are all new jobs and is great news for Waterford and the south-east.

its great news but with a sting

Stokolan

What's the sting?

wellboytoo

Wanderer78 wrote: »

its great news but with a sting

No with a whinge

Wanderer78

Stokolan wrote: »

What's the sting?

wellboytoo wrote: »

No with a whinge

watch out, watch out. irelands in a spin, for a race to the bottom. it would be difficult to work beside somebody whos doing the exact same work as you while you get significantly less pay and possible conditions to them. not a nice place to be in life

tonc76

Wanderer78 wrote: »

watch out, watch out. irelands in a spin, for a race to the bottom. it would be difficult to work beside somebody whos doing the exact same work as you while you get significantly less pay and possible conditions to them. not a nice place to be in life

Maybe but not impossible. It'd surely be better than scratching your arse and drawing the dole though?

kayaksurfbum

Wanderer78 wrote: »

good news but all this has a sting in the tale. we have fallen back many years in regards pay and working conditions in this country. im deeply saddened by all this. i feel we re at the bottom of the mountain again. many families struggling out there

Pessimist...

A tendency to stress the negative or unfavorable or to take the gloomiest possible view.

Wanderer78

tonc76 wrote: »

Maybe but not impossible. It'd surely be better than scratching your arse and drawing the dole though?

pretty much everything is possible really but its still not a nice place to be. it can cause conflicts. good point, but its actually immoral to treat people this way. please be aware, companies such as vallent have made enormous amounts of money on the backs of hard working tax payers over the last few years partly by forcing pay reductions.

kayaksurfbum wrote: »

Pessimist...

A tendency to stress the negative or unfavorable or to take the gloomiest possible view.

try not take your eye off the ball here. i suspect we have not reached the bottom of all this recession yet. many families are facing eviction in the coming months, what will be the outcome of that? the cost of living has dramatically risen in the last few years but take home pay has declined. what will be the outcome of that?

rayr

Wanderer78 wrote: »

watch out, watch out. irelands in a spin, for a race to the bottom. it would be difficult to work beside somebody whos doing the exact same work as you while you get significantly less pay and possible conditions to them. not a nice place to be in life

Sure loads on the public sector are in this situation, nurses, teachers,admin , those employed pre and post Croke Park. It has also being going on in the private sector such as banking for a long time. Different rates of unemployment / job-seekers allowance based on age. Different pension benefits depending on when you retired and so on. Oh yeah the Equality Commission that fought these issues was disbanded a few years back.

Anyway, back on thread, any announcement of more jobs in Waterford is to be welcome imo.

Wanderer78

rayr wrote: »

Sure loads on the public sector are in this situation, nurses, teachers,admin , those employed pre and post Croke Park. It has also being going on in the private sector such as banking for a long time. Different rates of unemployment / job-seekers allowance based on age. Different pension benefits depending on when you retired and so on. Oh yeah the Equality Commission that fought these issues was disbanded a few years back.

true and it cant keep going on. its also morally wrong. i dont want to be treated like that and i certainly dont want my fellow country people to be either

wellboytoo

Wanderer78 wrote: »

true and it cant keep going on. its also morally wrong. i dont want to be treated like that and i certainly dont want my fellow country people to be either

Or maybe wages got out of control and had to be brought back into line.

rayr

I don't see any mass exodus out of the public sector or other sectors. Maybe people are happier to have a steady job rather than none at all.

Wanderer78

wellboytoo wrote: »

Or maybe wages got out of control and had to be brought back into line.

i have a theory on this so here it is. i believe all industries pay and working conditions are intrinsically connected, i.e. if one industry gets a pay cut, its adjacent industries must to take a pay cut. this goes on and on until it basically affects all industries. worked in the private sector for a few years, always felt were were trying to achieve the pay and conditions of the public sector, i.e. the public sector sets the benchmark, i.e. if their pay and conditions are effected, every-bodies is eventually. parts of the public sector got out of control though, probably still is

its still a work in progress but thats it in a nut shell.

Poor Uncle Tom

Afraid we are all missing the view of the wood for the trees here, the jobs being announced here are for 2017, that's two years time! B&L have taken on just over 80 people in the last few months on contract, with no fanfare, good meaningful work.

Yet these jobs being announced today are being done so under a huge scrabble from RTE ahead of a huge fanfare, with pats on the back for the minister and everyone else but not a job to be got for 2 years!

This stinks of PR stunt, you'd think there were elections coming up and that the government wanted to raise its profile or something...

Wanderer78

Poor Uncle Tom wrote: »

Afraid we are all missing the view of the wood for the trees here, the jobs being announced here are for 2017, that's two years time! B&L have taken on just over 80 people in the last few months on contract, with no fanfare, good meaningful work.

Yet these jobs being announced today are being done so under a huge scrabble from RTE ahead of a huge fanfare, with pats on the back for the minister and everyone else but not a job to be got for 2 years!

This stinks of PR stunt, you'd think there were elections coming up and that the government wanted to raise its profile or something...

at least the jobs are coming though but interesting post

Poor Uncle Tom

Wanderer78 wrote: »

at least the jobs are coming though but interesting post

Obviously any jobs are to be celebrated, it's just reeks of 'love my party' politics. I think it would prove much more rewarding if there was a free commercial spot of advertising on the local radio stations for any business who gave a job to a new person, it might show us what jobs are actually being created and give some much needed air time to business as advertising.

Something simple like that as a start would be nice instead of some cynical ministerial spin to attempt to make a political party look good.

Wanderer78

Poor Uncle Tom wrote: »

Obviously any jobs are to be celebrated, it's just reeks of 'love my party' politics. I think it would prove much more rewarding if there was a free commercial spot of advertising on the local radio stations for any business who gave a job to a new person, it might show us what jobs are actually being created and give some much needed air time to business as advertising.

Something simple like that as a start would be nice instead of some cynical ministerial spin to attempt to make a political party look good.

welcome to politics. interesting idea of advertising

Gavlor

Wanderer78 wrote: »

i have a theory on this so here it is. i believe all industries pay and working conditions are intrinsically connected, i.e. if one industry gets a pay cut, its adjacent industries must to take a pay cut. this goes on and on until it basically affects all industries. worked in the private sector for a few years, always felt were were trying to achieve the pay and conditions of the public sector, i.e. the public sector sets the benchmark, i.e. if their pay and conditions are effected, every-bodies is eventually. parts of the public sector got out of control though, probably still is

its still a work in progress but thats it in a nut shell.

It's been done before.... Remember the USSR? Cuba and China still giving it a rattle of you fancy moving over there.

You've literally described communism without the dictator piece.

Wanderer78

Gavlor wrote: »

It's been done before.... Remember the USSR? Cuba and China still giving it a rattle of you fancy moving over there.

You've literally described communism without the dictator piece.

unfortunately never made it to russia or cuba. believe they are amazing places. closest i came to china is hong kong so not really china. nice spot though. highly recommend it. hahaha dont think id like to live in those places alright but the ideas of 'free' healthcare , education etc do it for me.

you have to ask, does capitalism work? i suspect its not. its an extremely aggressive and disposable system in every manner

Gavlor

Wanderer78 wrote: »

unfortunately never made it to russia or cuba. believe they are amazing places. closest i came to china is hong kong so not really china. nice spot though. highly recommend it. hahaha dont think id like to live in those places alright but the ideas of 'free' healthcare , education etc do it for me.

you have to ask, does capitalism work? i suspect its not. its an extremely aggressive and disposable system in every manner

I didn't comment on which works best, I simply pointed out that the system you seem to crave so much is only a couple of airports away. In the mean time maybe treat 100+ jobs for city as good news.

Wanderer78

Gavlor wrote: »

I didn't comment on which works best, I simply pointed out that the system you seem to crave so much is only a couple of airports away. In the mean time maybe treat 100+ jobs for city as good news.

interesting comment though isnt it? its a good point but im in a different place in life now with little funds.

its more than good news, its great news

Wanderer78

just been informed, new recruits pay in b&l will be increased after a year or so to match current workforce. can anybody confirm? good news if it is

Gardner

Originally had 1100 employment – 200 take voluntary redundancy = 900 staff with 20% reduction in wages

150 new jobs = 1050 staff on 80% wages of the original 1100

And Paudie calls this a boost for Waterford, some laugh!

The Bowling Alley

So, what you're saying is, Waterford took a knock when these jobs were originally lost...and now, instead of even more jobs going, we actually get 125 of the jobs back...and you don't think that's a boost for the city?

Are you one of these people that becomes so cynical that it actually morphs into stupidity?

Max Powers

Gardner wrote: »

Originally had 1100 employment – 200 take voluntary redundancy = 900 staff with 20% reduction in wages

150 new jobs = 1050 staff on 80% wages of the original 1100

And Paudie calls this a boost for Waterford, some laugh!

this (above) is just pathetic, this is a great news story. im convinced people would prefer a more miserable story that they can whine about. its more jobs than we have at the moment which is a good thing even if they are on less money, the workers on less money probably saved the entire factory, of course some bright sparks on here think they prob shouldnt compromise.

run_Forrest_run

Why is it when some people here don't jump on the happy clappy wagon they are being called cynical and whingers. Grow up lads, some people have valid points to make, even if they differ to your own.

Of course it is good news for people, more jobs is always good but there is also the benefit to the companies providing these jobs, we've seen companies yield record profits while wages happen to fall..it's worth noting these things too.

This is capitalist behaviour yes, but people are free to voice their opinions without being labelled as cynical. Large corporations are the most cynical of us all.

MentalMario

Gardner wrote: »

Originally had 1100 employment – 200 take voluntary redundancy = 900 staff with 20% reduction in wages

150 new jobs = 1050 staff on 80% wages of the original 1100

And Paudie calls this a boost for Waterford, some laugh!

The wages B&L have paid for the past decade or so have been excellent for the work that's involved.

The current level of pay there is still very good for what the job entails.

This is a boost for the city. Another 150 people in employment. If they're all on €20,000 net, it's an extra €1.5 million or so into the Waterford economy every year over somebody on the Rock & Roll. That's a fair chunk of change for the City.

Nypd

The Bowling Alley wrote: »

So, what you're saying is, Waterford took a knock when these jobs were originally lost...and now, instead of even more jobs going, we actually get 125 of the jobs back...and you don't think that's a boost for the city?

Are you one of these people that becomes so cynical that it actually morphs into stupidity?

There's merit on your point although I would not have been so blunt

I feel many people in the City are worn out from the constant stream of bad news over the last number of years and the cynical effects will be long lasting.
I think the B&L developments are a good example of give a little to gain a lot.
The jobs there should now be secure for years to come.

Wanderer78

apologies for previous posts. i was very badly misguided

Stokolan

What gets me is that people are saying its only 125 jobs. Yea its only that in Bausch. But what about the people that could get work from the actual construction. And the local business that may also benifit from it.

The expansion that's being built is massive in size compared to anything they have built so far .

Also those people that are pointing out the loss of jobs there over the last year. The majority of those were voluntary. There was very few pushed out the door. So they actually wanted to leave. I know some have found work already and others have decided to go back to college. Then some just wanted to look after their children.

As for politicians trying to make themselves look good. They are all going to try and grab hold of any bit of good news to try get votes. Its the way they are.

Jamie2k9

Competitiveness is critical, the old wages which the staff were on, how did they compare to other companies based in Ireland, if they were above the cuts were needed.

It is good news, I'm sure those 125 people on the social will be happy...

mire

You'd have to be cynical about the way a company like this 'adjusts' its workforce levels and hires and fires (and reduces wage levels); it's hopefully something that doesn't become too prevalent. In saying that, it is good news for Waterford, the workers and the local economy.

longshanks

There are around 50 people who started recently scheduled to be left go at the end of August, start of September. They'll go on a recall list and might be rehired early next year, ahead of new employees.

Digital Society

Typical Waterford Bull**** in this thread.

Whinge and bitch about lack of jobs. Jobs announcement comes along and still Whinge and bitch about it.

Go get your heads checked lads. You need a good dose of anti-depressants or something.

Wanderer78

Digital Society wrote: »

Typical Waterford Bull**** in this thread.

Whinge and bitch about lack of jobs. Jobs announcement comes along and still Whinge and bitch about it.

Go get your heads checked lads. You need a good dose of anti-depressants or something.

a lot more complicated than that im afraid and people are wondering why the cost of living is rising and their take home pay is reducing. a lot more complicated. hopefully its a turning point for the town though. we really can't take anymore here