Audi Invent New Fuel

randy hickey

Apparently Audi have developed a new type of fuel called e-diesel, that can be mixed with standard diesel, or used as a stand-alone fuel.
Thought it was a wind-up at first,( Dr Johanna Wanka) but I've seen it reported in a couple of places, so I'm keeping an open mind.

Anyway, didn't see any mention of it here, so thought I'd share it.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/audi-creates-green-e-diesel-fuel-future-using-just-carbon-dioxide-water-1498524

http://www.siliconrepublic.com/clean-tech/item/41770-audi-makes-renewable-diesel

mickdw

The doctors name is very suspect but
Looking at the process, they are inputting electricity to get hydrogen from water. Just cause they say they are using renewables to produce that energy, they are pushing the idea that it's somehow energy from nothing.

Special Circumstances

We're running the gas off the electricity and the electricity off the gas and we're saving a FORTUNE.

Eric Cartman

mickdw wrote: »

The doctors name is very suspect but
Looking at the process, they are inputting electricity to get hydrogen from water. Just cause they say they are using renewables to produce that energy, they are pushing the idea that it's somehow energy from nothing.

considering its using energy from wind and turning co2 into power , unlike most hydrogen solutions it doesn't fit the perpetual motion machine category, id say leave them at it and see.

I still suspect that even with widespread success , it would become like E85, a flash in the pan fuel with additives thats scuppered the second the US drop the oil price again.

colm_mcm

Joanna wanka is a minister in the German government anyway.

pred racer

colm_mcm wrote: »

Joanna wanna is a minister in the German government anyway.

Only you would possibly know that Colm!

Special Circumstances

Eric Cartman wrote: »

considering its using energy from wind and turning co2 into power , unlike most hydrogen solutions it doesn't fit the perpetual motion machine category, id say leave them at it and see.

I still suspect that even with widespread success , it would become like E85, a flash in the pan fuel with additives thats scuppered the second the US drop the oil price again.

Unless it has some magic Euro emissions satisfying properties I'd say you're right.

Also, one assumes that they can create
A) electricity
hydrogen
very cheaply if the blue crude is to be competitive on price after a few more chemical reactions and processes.

If the electricity and the hydrogen are that cheap, and cleaner than diesel... Can anyone see where I'm going with this?? I mean by the time we want or need synthetic diesel, won't we all be driving electro h2 hybrids anyway???

Falcon L

Special Circumstances wrote: »

Unless it has some magic Euro emissions satisfying properties I'd say you're right.

Also, one assumes that they can create
A) electricity
hydrogen
very cheaply if the blue crude is to be competitive on price after a few more chemical reactions and processes.

If the electricity and the hydrogen are that cheap, and cleaner than diesel... Can anyone see where I'm going with this?? I mean by the time we want or need synthetic diesel, won't we all be driving electro h2 hybrids anyway???

But only if they are chaaaape taax.

Stinicker

Build huge Nuclear Reactors and you have clean and carbon neutral energy. Subsititue Nuclear for green energy and your onto a winner. Nuclear Fusion is around 20 years away and by 2075 we should be totally independent of Fossil Fuel.

browniepoints

The principle to make fuel like this is well known for many types of fuels often lighter fuels like Methanol Ethanol Dymethel Ether Buthanol and Nitro methanes

The normal is steam heat natural gas in platinum will reform to make methanol
The natural gas break down and make carbon monoxide and water and the reforming makes the larger fuels . Instead to use natural gas Carbon dioxide directly can be used

These lighter fuels can be then worked on with other reformers to form heavier fuels like paraffins and diesel fuels

Ball park the costs to make synthetic fuels is often more expensive than extracting oil in Saudi Arabia or Russia at $5 a barrel or 200 liters of crude . The Germans in second world war made petrol and diesel from coal when the fuel supplies got cut off

The big advantage is no sulfur to extract from the clean fuel compared to sulfur rich crude oils

It takes lots of energy to make synthetic fuel so not sure if this is any better than other known methods

time will tell

Jed

mickdw

Special Circumstances wrote: »

Unless it has some magic Euro emissions satisfying properties I'd say you're right.

Also, one assumes that they can create
A) electricity
hydrogen
very cheaply if the blue crude is to be competitive on price after a few more chemical reactions and processes.

If the electricity and the hydrogen are that cheap, and cleaner than diesel... Can anyone see where I'm going with this?? I mean by the time we want or need synthetic diesel, won't we all be driving electro h2 hybrids anyway???

Thats kinda what I was getting at. They are using an electricity input to release hydrogen from water. Running further processes to create a diesel solution doesn't make alot of sense when you have already ignored electricity and hydrogen as fuel. There must be massive inefficiencies in this entire process too.

colm_mcm

Stinicker wrote: »

Build huge Nuclear Reactors and you have clean and carbon neutral energy. Subsititue Nuclear for green energy and your onto a winner. Nuclear Fusion is around 20 years away and by 2075 we should be totally independent of Fossil Fuel.

Yep, it's mental that we're burning oil in central heating systems that ever move away from the electricity grid whilst we're trying to make cars that run on electricity popular. Figure that out.
If electricity were more affordable, we'd use it for more.

randy hickey

I think they missed a massive marketing opportunity in the naming of this fuel.

VAG-juice would have gone viral.

Harry Palmr

Stinicker wrote: »

Build huge Nuclear Reactors and you have clean and carbon neutral energy. Subsititue Nuclear for green energy and your onto a winner. Nuclear Fusion is around 20 years away and by 2075 we should be totally independent of Fossil Fuel.

If I had a euro for every time I read that I'd be able to buy a meal out!

testicle

Stinicker wrote: »

Nuclear Fusion is around 20 years away

Hello Stincker, meet Mr Sun.

CianRyan

For the true bright sparks, nuclear fusion is only about 8 minutes away.

I'm still thinking hydrogen is a better alternative to this E-Diesel carry on.

Alun

Nuclear Fusion is always 20 years away and has been ever since it was first mooted.

Guy:Incognito

pred racer wrote: »

Only you would possibly know that Colm!

Google also knows these things.:)

Gazzmonkey

CianRyan wrote: »

For the true bright sparks, nuclear fusion is only about 8 minutes away.

Your referring to how long it takes photons emitted by the sun to reach earth me thinks :cool:

BrokenArrows

Gazzmonkey wrote: »

Your referring to how long it takes photons emitted by the sun to reach earth me thinks :cool:

CianRyan

Gazzmonkey wrote: »

Your referring to how long it takes photons emitted by the sun to reach earth me thinks :cool:

Yep, photons aren't the only bright sparks.

browniepoints

I saw there a few days ago sorry lost the link it costs $1.00 to $ 1.50 a liter to make this synthetic diesel.

A barrel of oil costs $50 and it has 200 liters in it .
Most of the barrel of oil something like 60% is diesel oil
So we can say that one liter of crude oil cost $0.25c .
The refining makes diesel oil per liter cost probably $0.30cents
The price of the diesel in Ireland is mostly tax on that refined product costing probably €0.30cents delivered to Ireland four courts

So it take long time for this new diesel fuel to displace cheap as chips oil from the ground



Jed