attacked going to look at diggers

djmc

I read this story the other day in another article about this poor guy who apparently loves tractors diggers and machinery.
When he was going across the park to watch some diggers working he was attacked by some sick thugs.
Its been in my head a few days but was thinking if anyone here was involved in the ploughing championships in September machinery dealer's or anyone who might get extra tickets etc. It might be nice if this guy and his minder got one.
I know its not farming related exactly so mods move it somewhere more appropriate if you want.
I am nothing to the guy just sickened by the story.
http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/thugs-attack-special-needs-man-5529921
http://www.thejournal.ie/man-special-needs-attack-2053199-Apr2015/

_Brian

I think this is a lovely sentiment, well done for thinking of it..

What does it say about our society when the vulnerable among us can't move about freely without thugs like this abusing and demeaning them.

And I think there was an incident the previous week (maybe in Cork) where another vulnerable person was attacked..

Dawggone

_Brian wrote: »

I think this is a lovely sentiment, well done for thinking of it..

What does it say about our society when the vulnerable among us can't move about freely without thugs like this abusing and demeaning them.

And I think there was an incident the previous week (maybe in Cork) where another vulnerable person was attacked..

People with special needs are being attacked by state supported care workers. What do you expect then...?

High bike

_Brian wrote: »

I think this is a lovely sentiment, well done for thinking of it..

What does it say about our society when the vulnerable among us can't move about freely without thugs like this abusing and demeaning them.

And I think there was an incident the previous week (maybe in Cork) where another vulnerable person was attacked..

yeah tough guys in a pack like dogs,get one on their own and theyd **** their pants

Jimlh86

I could be mixed up but I think that poor chap is Autistic? I see these little s***** walking around town all the time (not just towns mind) in group picking on vunerable people or waiting for a drunk lad on his own and sucker punching him! I wouldn't mind but I know firsthand that the majority of these are nothing on there own! Anyway sorry off the point great sentiment OP

dzer2

djmc wrote: »

I read this story the other day in another article about this poor guy who apparently loves tractors diggers and machinery.
When he was going across the park to watch some diggers working he was attacked by some sick thugs.
Its been in my head a few days but was thinking if anyone here was involved in the ploughing championships in September machinery dealer's or anyone who might get extra tickets etc. It might be nice if this guy and his minder got one.
I know its not farming related exactly so mods move it somewhere more appropriate if you want.
I am nothing to the guy just sickened by the story.
http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/thugs-attack-special-needs-man-5529921
http://www.thejournal.ie/man-special-needs-attack-2053199-Apr2015/

Will see what we can do.;)

whelan2

have a neighbour who is 22 , he has a learning disability, but every so often he comes to yard in his jcb gear and gets his pics taken in our digger, shame on the people who attacked the lad in the op

zetecescort

was listening to a family member on the radio and afterwards a text was sent from JCB or CATs reps in Ireland offering for him to come to their dealership. nice touch

James Delaney

Great Idea.

Happened in Fairview PK Dublin 3.

Sick b**t**ds.
Hope they are found & shamed.

Reggie.

He had a right lump taken out of his head

satstheway

Animals..
if caught they would prob get a 3 month suspended sentance and have to pay 100 Euro to a youth sports group.
whereas that young man Is traumatized for life.
3 or 4 years each for all at the scene would stop this crap.

rizzodun

satstheway wrote: »

Animals..
if caught they would prob get a 3 month suspended sentance and have to pay 100 Euro to a youth sports group.
whereas that young man Is traumatized for life.
3 or 4 years each for all at the scene would stop this crap.

I disagree, force them to spend a few weeks working with people with learning disabilities, it might change their opinion of people quicker than jail will.

Great sentiment OP.

satstheway

rizzodun wrote: »

I disagree, force them to spend a few weeks working with people with learning disabilities, it might change their opinion of people quicker than jail will.

Great sentiment OP.

It won't because some of these kids are actually ok when doing things like that on a one to one basis . It's the group mentality that's the problem "Peer pressure" .
Thats why I say the group should be punished,
4-5 lads pressure another weaker lad into doing something and the weaker lad gets all the blame.
The peers would think longer if they were implicating themselves.

rizzodun

satstheway wrote: »

It won't because some of these kids are actually ok when doing things like that on a one to one basis . It's the group mentality that's the problem "Peer pressure" .
Thats why I say the group should be punished,
4-5 lads pressure another weaker lad into doing something and the weaker lad gets all the blame.
The peers would think longer if they were implicating themselves.

So rather than separate each individual from their peers (all 5 of them) and place each of them in a one to one project of helping people with learning disabilities we have a greater chance of changing their behaviour by lumping them into a confined space with other peers who are in said same place for the same reasons (i.e. locking them up)?

_Brian

rizzodun wrote: »

So rather than separate each individual from their peers (all 5 of them) and place each of them in a one to one project of helping people with learning disabilities we have a greater chance of changing their behaviour by lumping them into a confined space with other peers who are in said same place for the same reasons (i.e. locking them up)?

I'm afraid when you see lads out on bail, commuting horrendous crimes with maybe 90-100 previous convictions. The notion of rehabilitation is seriously demonised.

Personally I'm leaning towards long sentence of hard labour in a camp that is so deplorable that this is the discouragement against crimes, it would be cheaper too.

It's awful to think we spend €60-80k a year on inmates when lads like this chap who was attacked would need to be on a waiting list for any real support if he needed it. Bid wager that if he needed coinciding from this traumatic event he could be waiting a year or two.

I read somewhere that a society can e judged on how it treats it's prisoners. ****k that, I want to be judged on how we treat law abiding citizens - you break the law - you forfeit your rights to be treated well by the state at our expense.

I'm sick of do-good pansy hand holders banging on about these guys being failed by the state and having tough upbringings. Right is right and wrong is wrong, these guys know they are choosing wrong and criminal lifestyles, if they choose the wrong path then they are second class citizens and deserve to be treated likewise.

Reggie.

_Brian wrote: »

I'm afraid when you see lads out on bail, commuting horrendous crimes with maybe 90-100 previous convictions. The notion of rehabilitation is seriously demonised.

Personally I'm leaning towards long sentence of hard labour in a camp that is so deplorable that this is the discouragement against crimes, it would be cheaper too.

It's awful to think we spend €60-80k a year on inmates when lads like this chap who was attacked would need to be on a waiting list for any real support if he needed it. Bid wager that if he needed coinciding from this traumatic event he could be waiting a year or two.

I read somewhere that a society can e judged on how it treats it's prisoners. ****k that, I want to be judged on how we treat law abiding citizens - you break the law - you forfeit your rights to be treated well by the state at our expense.

I'm sick of do-good pansy hand holders banging on about these guys being failed by the state and having tough upbringings. Right is right and wrong is wrong, these guys know they are choosing wrong and criminal lifestyles, if they choose the wrong path then they are second class citizens and deserve to be treated likewise.

+1

cjpm

Reggie. wrote: »

+1

+1,000,000

Hard labour all the way.

rizzodun

_Brian wrote: »

I'm afraid when you see lads out on bail, commuting horrendous crimes with maybe 90-100 previous convictions. The notion of rehabilitation is seriously demonised.

Personally I'm leaning towards long sentence of hard labour in a camp that is so deplorable that this is the discouragement against crimes, it would be cheaper too.

It's awful to think we spend €60-80k a year on inmates when lads like this chap who was attacked would need to be on a waiting list for any real support if he needed it. Bid wager that if he needed coinciding from this traumatic event he could be waiting a year or two.

I read somewhere that a society can e judged on how it treats it's prisoners. ****k that, I want to be judged on how we treat law abiding citizens - you break the law - you forfeit your rights to be treated well by the state at our expense.

I'm sick of do-good pansy hand holders banging on about these guys being failed by the state and having tough upbringings. Right is right and wrong is wrong, these guys know they are choosing wrong and criminal lifestyles, if they choose the wrong path then they are second class citizens and deserve to be treated likewise.

I agree, but that isn't prison system we have here and sending these lads to prison won't help. Either way I hope the lad that suffered at the hands of these idiots get's over it and it doesn't affect him in the long term.

satstheway

rizzodun wrote: »

So rather than separate each individual from their peers (all 5 of them) and place each of them in a one to one project of helping people with learning disabilities we have a greater chance of changing their behaviour by lumping them into a confined space with other peers who are in said same place for the same reasons (i.e. locking them up)?

going to get lynched here but I would prob put these type of offenders with the likes of pedo's and murders in a large hole specially for unnatural acts offenders and cover with soil

What I ment in my first post was if the law drew sentance on the group not the individual then there would have been no attack in the first place as the peers would cop on.

Reggie.

rizzodun wrote: »

I agree, but that isn't prison system we have here and sending these lads to prison won't help. Either way I hope the lad that suffered at the hands of these idiots get's over it and it doesn't affect him in the long term.

A bit of conscription would cure that

Ken.

satstheway wrote: »

going to get lynched here but I would prob put these type of offenders with the likes of pedo's and murders in a large hole specially for unnatural acts offenders and cover with soil

What I ment in my first post was if the law drew sentance on the group not the individual then there would have been no attack in the first place as the peers would cop on.

I'd go a step further and make them dig the hole.

Nekarsulm

When kids are brought up in severely dysfunctional "family" surroundings, where the parents are not interested in schooling or acting for the good of Society at large, there will be many children that grow up without any hope of rehabilitation or reform.
Jail, or the version we have, is only a break for them.
Putting those people to work with handicapped people would be a disaster for the handicapped, we need better carers not worse ones.
Either we have hard labour camps, or build proper maximum security prisons, with a capacity for the criminals we already have.
Sit in on a morning of the Circuit Court some day, and watch the criminals laugh and smirk and gesture to each other while the Judge has his head down signing a form or whatever.

Mad4simmental

An injection to make allot of these lads sterile should solve the runts out after a few years.

whelan2

cjpm wrote: »

+1,000,000

Hard labour all the way.

send them picking ragworth at the side of the road

Reggie.

whelan2 wrote: »

send them picking ragworth at the side of the road

With no gloves

whelan2

Reggie. wrote: »

With no gloves

make sure theres a few thistles and nettle there too

satstheway

I have a field I sprayed and stunted the damn things. They could start here.

whelan2

satstheway wrote: »

I have a field I sprayed and stunted the damn things. They could start here.

ye i had to respray mine there

satstheway

whelan2 wrote: »

ye i had to respray mine there[/QUOTE

Cow's out now. can't pull as the tops come in pieces,
would nearly spot spray with grazon and cut off individually as cow's come back if they have not gone. they are Bushy and low but very green some maybe. A rosette of 4- 10 inches. Killed all thistles first run.

Dawggone

Reggie. wrote: »

With no gloves

What about the "carers" in Aras Attracta in Mayo?

Nekarsulm

Dawggone wrote: »

What about the "carers" in Aras Attracta in Mayo?

They are being punished by being suspended on full pay.

Bullocks

Nekarsulm wrote: »

They are being punished by being suspended on full pay.

Are they still ? It would make you want to puke, the dirty scumbags .

zetecescort

Visited ECi JCB in Dublin. Great to see him happy

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/assault-victim-sees-dream-come-true-333037.html