Cost of Replacing Indoor Oil Boiler

will56

Hi,

My Oil boiler seems to be on its way out and I'm starting to look around for a replacement before it has to go.

What should I expect to pay for a new indoor oil fired boiler + Installation.
Boiler heats 11 radiators in total,

The heating system is already zoned for upstairs/downstairs and water

therealmccoy

Hi Will,

For a straight up boiler change, it should be around €1500-1700. If you are getting prices, see how much extra it would be to upgrade your heating controls to SEAI standard. Might be able to get a grant of €700 from SEAI which would go a fair bit to covering costs.

Where are you based? Might be able to recommend someone.

will56

Would that price include purging the heating system ?

The heating controls were installed in 2012 to give timer controls for the 3 zones along with thernostatic valves on the radiators so I'm not if I'd get that grant

therealmccoy

You'd prob be looking at an extra 400(ish) for a mechanical flushing of the system, a manual flush would be more like 150.

Have you room stats, a cylinder stat and a 7-day programmable time?

will56

We have stats on the radiators but I don't think we have a cylinder stat, and none in the rooms.
The timer is 7 day programable

Wearb

How old is your boiler? What make and model? What is wrong that its "on its way out"?

New boiler will need to be a condensing model.

will56

Wearb wrote: »

How old is your boiler? What make and model? What is wrong that its "on its way out"?

New boiler will need to be a condensing model.

Boiler is about 12+ years old i dont know the make & model off hand but will check this evening.
las time it was serviced the burner had to be repaired with parts from a different model as ours is discontinued. The plumber at the time said that if it broke down again it might not be worth repairing and to consider a new one.

Wearb

Give us as much details possible and a few pics. We may be able to help you decide. btw what is your annual usage?

rightjob!

therealmccoy wrote: »

Hi Will,

For a straight up boiler change, it should be around €1500-1700. If you are getting prices, see how much extra it would be to upgrade your heating controls to SEAI standard. Might be able to get a grant of €700 from SEAI which would go a fair bit to covering costs.

Where are you based? Might be able to recommend someone.

bedoing well to get a grant vortex for that money never mind install it for that aswel.

a power flush should be included in any boiler changeover otherwise theres no warranty with it.

post a pic of the old boiler

will56

Pictures of boiler attached. We use about 1500 litres a year maybe less.

Dtp1979

rightjob! wrote: »

bedoing well to get a grant vortex for that money never mind install it for that aswel.

a power flush should be included in any boiler changeover otherwise theres no warranty with it.

post a pic of the old boiler

Good advise above.
A new grant vortex installed and system properly powerflushed will set you back in the region of 2500-3000.
You'll get what you pay for op. Try avoid cheap prices where the term flush can be misinterpreted.
A manual flush is a complete waste of time and money.
Get your system powerflushed using a good machine and good chemicals and insist on a grant vortex boiler

Wearb

will56 wrote: »

Pictures of boiler attached. We use about 1500 litres a year maybe less.

Have you any idea what parts the plumber had trouble getting?
I think that there isn't a parts problem with any part of your set-up.

At 1500 or less litres per year, I would be reluctant to change this boiler. Long payback time. I would change it if there was a compelling reason, but on the information posted here, I don't see that reason.

What kind of combustion figures did you get on your printout from the last service?

I am surprised to see that an OFTEC service guy left you oil supply like that. Did he explain to you that it needed fixing?

jimf

that looks like a potterton statesman boiler imho a fairly good boiler with a boiler efficiency of around 85% gross

why exactly does your service engineer reckon you need a new boiler

agusta

will56 wrote: »

Boiler is about 12+ years old i dont know the make & model off hand but will check this evening.
las time it was serviced the burner had to be repaired with parts from a different model as ours is discontinued. The plumber at the time said that if it broke down again it might not be worth repairing and to consider a new one.

Yes jim is correct,its a potterton statesman.
The plumber at the time was incorrect, the burner you have is not discontinued.Also all parts are readily available over the counter in plumber merchants.
I think what your plumber meant was that if it broke down again it would be worth considering changing the burner,"not" the boiler.

will56

Here is the read out from last years service.
this is after he replaced part of the burner.

There was an issue with the air mix from a prev service by a different plumber that eventually had it giving off sooty exhaust fumes.

At the time he said that the parts he needed to repair the burner weren't available but he used parts from a similar model ?

He said then that if there was problems with the burner again we would be better of paying the extra (a lot extra !!) and just replacing the boiler altogether. We would also benefit then from a new boiler being more efficient.

jimf

nothing wrong with that print out

as for parts all available off the shelf from any decent plumbers suppliers as already advised by agusta

will56

Hmmm seems like I got bad advice so.

We got a different plumber this year to carry out the service and there have been issues since the service so we figure it might be time to do some research on replacing it

If its actually a good boiler thats one less stress for the time being

jimf

what issues are you having is it with the boiler or the overall heating system

will56

The latest problem started Tues morning when there was no hot water. Boiler seemed to be misfiring.
There is a full tank of kerosene and I've pressed the reset button but no luck.

To be fair the issues after the service may have been down to the service, before then the exhaust was getting a bit smellier and it didn't seem to be heating the radiators as well but otherwise was running fine

Because of the work done on it last year I don't know if its the parts that were replaced or the actual burner thats causing the issues.
It also doesn't help that it seems to have never been serviced before we moved into the house in 2012

Wearb

If it's misfiring get your service person back. Unless there is something that I am unaware of, I wouldn't even consider changing that boiler. I would however as a matter of urgency sort out that fire valve arrangement.

You may also (as JimF suggested ) have plumbing problems. These would be separate to your boiler running correctly. Your boiler could be running perfectly, but if heating system is sludged up, then no boiler is going to sort it.

Good service person should advise you properly. If you need to, run the advice through this forum for reassurance.

Sort out your fire valve!

will56

Wearb wrote: »

If it's misfiring get your service person back. Unless there is something that I am unaware of, I wouldn't even consider changing that boiler. I would however as a matter of urgency sort out that fire valve arrangement.

Sort out your fire valve!

Whats wrong with the fire valve ?

Wearb

will56 wrote: »

Whats wrong with the fire valve ?

It should be changed for a remote acting one.
But that isn't my big concern ( I personally don't have a problem with those valves, but regs require the other ones) My concern is that it's at the wrong side of the filter. If you have a fire and the fire valve operates, the filter seal may still fail and deliver your tank of oil to the fire.......whoosh!

will56

Thanks for all the replies & advice.

My plumber is calling back out to see whats causing the misfiring and hopefully we'll be back up and running again for another while.

I'll also see about having someone look at the heating system as a whole and get it flushed if needs be

agusta

will56 wrote: »

Hmmm seems like I got bad advice so.

We got a different plumber this year to carry out the service and there have been issues since the service so we figure it might be time to do some research on replacing it

If its actually a good boiler thats one less stress for the time being

Do you have a print out from this years service..,
Last years printout is not really relevant since the boiler was serviced since,maybe im reading your post wrong.

will56

I didn't get a print out for this years service.
I only thought of it after he left, but I will be looking for one this evening

Dtp1979

will56 wrote: »

I didn't get a print out for this years service.
I only thought of it after he left, but I will be looking for one this evening

It's very unlikely he's going to have it saved. Get him back to sort the problem and insist he re does the flue gas analysis.