NCT on cars after 1960..............

Grimreaper666

I heard today that all cars registered after 1960 are to be NCTed, did anyone else hear this?

okistag

Grimreaper666 wrote: »

I heard today that all cars registered after 1960 are to be NCTed, did anyone else hear this?

I heard it was rolling 40 years. Eg anything pre 1975

Tzar Chasm

A rolling 40 would make sense. Although i would like to see a system where every vehicle on the road required some basic safety certification.

Kenny Logins

https://www.kildarestreet.com/wrans/?id=2015-04-15a.2427

unkel

Thanks Kenny Logins for the link. It confirms that any pre 1980 cars will remain exempt from the NCT

Grimreaper666

Phew!! Thanks for that Kenny, great news,:).

Kenny Logins

I had a Google alert setup for that, but didn't get one for some reason..

Dades

okistag wrote: »

I heard it was rolling 40 years. Eg anything pre 1975

Interesting. That would make it 2020 before the first of the currently NCT required cars (1980) would start becoming exempt.

Ramshakle 80's Luxobarges for everyone in the 2020's!

Kenny Logins

2020? We'll all have hover cars piloted by androids. No?

hi5

So is that the official outcome of the consultation we all filled out last November, or is Paschal Donohoe just confirming existing legislation?

power pants

what is the reasoning behind cars being exempt anyway?

your car is older than 1980, congratulations you dont need to nct it anymore.

who cares if it is a death trap and rusted through

where is the logic in this?

if its on the road it has to be nctd imo

Kenny Logins

This is a more interesting read - https://www.kildarestreet.com/wrans/?id=2015-03-31a.1554

Kenny Logins

power pants wrote: »

what is the reasoning behind cars being exempt anyway?

your car is older than 1980, congratulations you dont need to nct it anymore.

who cares if it is a death trap and rusted through

where is the logic in this?

if its on the road it has to be nctd imo

Death traps? Do you have any accident statistics, or any shred of evidence at all, to back that up?

power pants

No.

still should be nct'd. Makes absolute no sense at all tbf

Kenny Logins

power pants wrote: »

No.

still should be nct'd. Makes absolute no sense at all tbf

Did you at least submit your own response to the public consultation?

power pants

negative.

What is the official reasoning as to why pre 1980 cars are exempt?

Thinkingaboutit

I suspect a rarely driven and cherished owner maintained old car is not worth the extra bother.

Bigus

power pants wrote: »

negative.

What is the official reasoning as to why pre 1980 cars are exempt?

Technically it's very hard to set test parameters pre 1980 , due to lack of legislation imposed on manufacturers pre 1980.

What would a tester look out for on a 1916 model T for example.

Some pre war cars need special training to drive , never mind start, so testing would have to be done in specialist centres with specialist testers with consequential huge costs.

It's just technically impractical , and 1979 was chosen as the cut off date probably because its end of a decade.

power pants

Makes sense when you put it like that

Tzar Chasm

Bigus wrote: »

Technically it's very hard to set test parameters pre 1980 , due to lack of legislation imposed on manufacturers pre 1980.

What would a tester look out for on a 1916 model T for example.

Some pre war cars need special training to drive , never mind start, so testing would have to be done in specialist centres with specialist testers with consequential huge costs.

It's just technically impractical , and 1979 was chosen as the cut off date probably because its end of a decade.

A basic test wouldnt be impossible, check

tyres, alignment, shocks, bushes, bearings, serious leaks, windscreen....

a basic mass calculation could then be worked out for brake efficiency

and then the usual age based exemptions.

macplaxton

Bigus wrote: »

and 1979 was chosen as the cut off date probably because its end of a decade.

I think the date 1st January 1980 was chosen as it when the 30 years rolling stopped it was with the NCT regs Dec 2009, which came into effect 04/01/2010, which must have been around when Applus+ started their contract.

hi5 wrote: »

So is that the official outcome of the consultation we all filled out last November, or is Paschal Donohoe just confirming existing legislation?

Reading it, it is NOT the official outcome. That's still to happen "in due course". However he appears to be the hint that the current exempt vehicle pool won't be affected.

I'll believe it when I see the official announcement.

okistag

The pre 1980 issue is current standing.
However as far as I am aware what was past which we had a say on last Nov. was rolling 40 year which will come into effect 2016. I am open to correction but my source is fairly reliable

macplaxton

Jack, How does your fairly reliable source square a 40 year rolling from 2016 to the Minister's reply?

"I am advised that none of the recommendations contained in the RSA's review would involve those who currently enjoy an exemption from compulsory testing...being brought within the compulsory roadworthiness testing regime."

carchaeologist

macplaxton wrote: »

Jack, How does your fairly reliable source square a 40 year rolling from 2016 to the Minister's reply?

"I am advised that none of the recommendations contained in the RSA's review would involve those who currently enjoy an exemption from compulsory testing...being brought within the compulsory roadworthiness testing regime."

This points to either it the pre '80 exemption staying as it is or a rolling 30 year exemption being introduced.

Dades

carchaeologist wrote: »

This points to either it the pre '80 exemption staying as it is or a rolling 30 year exemption being introduced.

Unless they maintain the current system and introduce a rolling 40 years in 2020. I guess they could do that.

macplaxton

I suppose they could...

...but then again, haven't they to implement the directive (or that bit of 2014/45/EC) by 20th May 2018?

unkel

Dades wrote: »

Unless they maintain the current system and introduce a rolling 40 years in 2020. I guess they could do that.

My money is on that option.

ianobrien

If its any use, I dug out the last NCT report for the '77 Escort. The car was tested for everything except emissions. When I checked, the NCT can't test emissions on anything pre '81 (or '83 I'm not too sure). All other tests are easy to pass for any car from the '40's on that's in reasonable condition. Prewar stuff may have trouble passing the NCT.....

robtri

Kenny Logins wrote: »

Death traps? Do you have any accident statistics, or any shred of evidence at all, to back that up?

well there is this... discuss how much more likely you are to die in an older car than newer cars....

http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/Pubs/811825.pdf

yes its the US but the principles are the same..

Bigus

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

A basic test wouldnt be impossible, check

tyres, alignment, shocks, bushes, bearings, serious leaks, windscreen....

a basic mass calculation could then be worked out for brake efficiency

and then the usual age based exemptions.

How much play is the manufacturers bearing tolerance on a 1924 bearcat ? Wobbly or is very wobbly still acceptable ?

What should the alignment be ? No reference available

and what's tolerable leakage from a leather gasket ? Two drips per minute ?

Is that the model fitted with shocks or was that only the model introduced in 1925 ?

Should the car be even fitted with a windscreen , or should plain glass be replaced with toughened .

Tzar Chasm

Bigus wrote: »

How much play is the manufacturers bearing tolerance on a 1924 bearcat ? Wobbly or is very wobbly still acceptable ?
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Bearing tolerances are calculable, very wobbly would probably need fixing

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What should the alignment be ? No reference available
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again this is something which can be worked out

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and what's tolerable leakage from a leather gasket ? Two drips per minute ?
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This one would be a bit more subjective, obviously no leaks would be optimal, but some guidelines could probably be established to allow for leather

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Is that the model fitted with shocks or was that only the model introduced in 1925 ?

Should the car be even fitted with a windscreen , or should plain glass be replaced with toughened .

These would fall under the age exemptions ruling, like seatbelts and indicators

Silvera

^^^ Is there an exemption for indicators??
I'm aware that early cars didnt have any, and some 60's vehicles had red rear/white front indicators, but it is rare nowadays to see any vintage/classic vehicles with no orange indicators fitted...

John Larkin

Silvera wrote: »

^^^ Is there an exemption for indicators??
I'm aware that early cars didnt have any, and some 60's vehicles had red rear/white front indicators, but it is rare nowadays to see any vintage/classic vehicles with no orange indicators fitted...

As far as I know Irish law did not require stop lamps/brake lights, indicators, or number plate lights until October 1963. Dipping headlights were not required by law until 1948.

okistag

I could be out on year 2016 or is it 18 unsure. I was told by someone working very close to the RSA, I agree it is not in line with Ministers reply but for now and untill I am told different I tend to believe my contact. however rolling 1980 would great.

macplaxton wrote: »

Jack, How does your fairly reliable source square a 40 year rolling from 2016 to the Minister's reply?

"I am advised that none of the recommendations contained in the RSA's review would involve those who currently enjoy an exemption from compulsory testing...being brought within the compulsory roadworthiness testing regime."

crunchy62

Personally, I'd be happy to pay €60 to have my car checked every year but I would not trust some of the guys in NCT centres to do it considering some of the stuff that I've experienced on modern cars.

Tigger

there is no commercial reason to nct pre 80's cars
i doubt it'll be a rolling exemption tbh too much modern stuff coming out from that point onwards
my 77 car would pass no bother (assuming no emissions test) but the hassell of bringing her in once a year for the test would mean i'm against the test

however i've looked at cars that people are driving around in that literally are pieces of rust held together with dirt and shouldn't be on the road

macplaxton

okistag wrote: »

I could be out on year 2016 or is it 18 unsure.

They can of course implement the directive into national law early, but the 2018 is the deadline.

It could of course be later than the deadline if past experience is anything to go by...

Thinkingaboutit

The UK seems to be introducing a rolling NCT exemption. I was on a run behind some immaculate sportscar, with no bloody brake or stoplights. I hope stupidity of that sort is rare. I really don't think extra government charges (and a subsidy to the Irish motor 'industry') are really a good thing. More Gardai on the roads watching for stupidity and inappropriate speed is better.

macplaxton

Thinkingaboutit wrote: »

The UK seems to be introducing a rolling NCT exemption.

"Seems to be"?

The UK is doing nothing at the moment. Election time and all that. Parliament finished at the end of March, so it would seem that the election result will determine what changes, if any, are made - regardless of the opinions expressed in last year's consultation.

jca

Bigus wrote: »

How much play is the manufacturers bearing tolerance on a 1924 bearcat ? Wobbly or is very wobbly still acceptable ?

What should the alignment be ? No reference available

and what's tolerable leakage from a leather gasket ? Two drips per minute ?

Is that the model fitted with shocks or was that only the model introduced in 1925 ?

Should the car be even fitted with a windscreen , or should plain glass be replaced with toughened .

I drove a 1928 Rolls as a wedding car and because it was for hire and reward it was nct'd every year. The only thing that had to be pointed out to the tester was to use the decelerometer for the brake test.