Type and price of parts on a 1.9tdi?

cerastes

As per the title, its a 1.9tdi 110bhp (pre PD, pre dpf)
How much should I expect to pay for an auxillary belt?
Its on top of getting the timing belt done,so any base price or discount?
I was told and would expect no extra labour for it being done as the old belt has to come off and one has to be put back anyway as part of the timing belt change, the old one looks a bit cracked and I see no reason why it shouldnt be replaced now while work is being done.
The prices I got was €30 or €40 from a main dealer, they said they'd have to look it up, as its timing being done (which is about the only thing I'll go to a main dealer for; ie warranty on the job), but also is in part due to the cost being little in the difference to a good independant that'd also be near.

so auxillary belt in this circumstance? cost? given the cost of the job, I was a bit suprised at €40, but would want a definite cost off someone in case they decided to top that figure up, that said, its a significant price percent compared to the timing belt part and labour, which while not easy to bear, I actually consider relatively reasonable for the work involved, ie 400 for a timing belt parts and labour change, but 10% of that cost just for the auxillary belt?

also, I asked about the pump impellor, if it was plastic or metal? some said metal, one said plastic for sure, I thought plastic impellored pumps had been superseded by metal ones due to failures of the plastic ones, should I ask what type kit they use for the timing belt/pump and avoid somewhere thats using a certain brand kit? or will all branded kits have been updated? was service desks I spoke to, but dont expect they will know everything right off the bat, but some information they may.

George Dalton

You don't need to use a main dealer to get warranty on the job.

Any garage will have warranty from the supplier of whatever parts they are using. If a garage uses a genuine VW kit then the parts are covered by the same 2 year warranty that you get if you use a VW dealer to do the work. IEven in the aftermarket, Gates are a good example of a supplier that give very good warranty on their products.

The genuine VW water pump for these engines has a plastic impeller. The vast majority of VW pumps still use plastic impellers. I would rather fit a genuine VW pump with a plastic impeller than a spurious pump with a metal impeller.

I'm not sure what you mean by what brand of timing belt kit they are using. If it is a VW dealer then they are using a VW branded kit.

You are correct in saying that there should be no extra labour involved in replacing the auxiliary drive belt at the same time as the timing belt kit, the price of the auxiliary belt will depend on whether or not your car has air con. IIRC the genuine belts are approx €20 ex VAT for no A/C and €30 ex VAT for the A/C type so the quote of €30-40 wouldn't be too far off the mark.

I can never understand why the main dealers don't include the auxiliary belt change in their pricing for a timing belt job. We always include the price of the aux belt in our quotes because it simply doesn't make sense to refit the old belt in these situations.

cerastes

Thanks for the detailed reply, I realise I don't need to go with the main dealer for warranty but don't know of a good independant near me, and the price from the main dealer seems to be similar to an indpendant from what I read here, plus as much as I avoid main dealers for everything else, I do feel I have more weight of support for any failure in any event that occured after,or more ability to follow up with them and their brand,there might not be as much truth in that as I'd like but it saves me guessing if an Indy is good or not.

I was told there is a 2 year warranty but not that it is on the parts, so I'll further enquire it's on the work, and everything.
It's actually a Skoda, when I priced the timing belt change with a vw service dealer they suggested I go to Skoda which I thought was odd.
When I say branded part I thought any main dealer used their own parts but that it would still be a gates or other reputable brand and thought this might be on the packaging or referred to somehow,maybe it's in the part number though? But it's a reason for me to want to go tho main dealer route too, not that I think an independent won't be as good or will gouge me on spurious parts, I just don't know a reputable one by recommendation near me and it has to be within Dublin as I'll need to get a lift there and back, any distance writes off any saving by going further to make the saving both in time and fuel.

There is air con, and I could do the aux belt afterwards but it's not worth the hassle as there is no labour cost, by the by its 399 to 420 from main dealers, there is probably one Indy I might call to see what price they are but I'll Google them too for reviews.it probably costs the main dealer less for the timing belt than if I bought it but the parts seems to be roughly about almost half the cost of the job.

George Dalton

Ok so just to be clear the VW warranty is on the parts, but also includes the labour where applicable. So if the problem is with the parts then the whole job is covered by the VW warranty, labour inclusive. If the problem is with the labour element of the job then it is down to the individual garage to stand over their work, regardless of whether they are a main dealer or not.

So for example we fit a genuine VW timing belt kit and there is a problem within 2 years then the way it works is that any VW dealer will check out the problem and if it is found to be an issue with the parts then they will repair the car FOC.

Now if your car is a Skoda and the work is carried out by a VW dealer this means that if you have any issues afterwards then the problem will have to be diagnosed/repaired by a Skoda dealer in order to be covered by the warranty.

The genuine VW timing belt kits are not made by VW, they are made by various OE suppliers. This supplier varies from engine to engine but in your case Gates is the OE supplier. So the timing belt in the VW kit comes with both VW and Gates branding on it. So if you decided to go with an independent garage who were fitting a Gates kit then there would be no difference in the quality of the parts being used.

An average price for the job in an independent garage would be €350 including aux belt so the saving to be made is pretty significant if the quotes of €399-420 don't include the €40 for the aux belt.

I know a good guy in north Dublin who can do the job for you if that is any help.

cerastes

That's a bit of a saving as correct in saying it does not include aux belt in those prices, didn't realise Indy's might usually fitted aux belts where needed as standard.I'll have to enquire off some, ye don't have a place in Dublin? Or if anyone can recommend an indy somewhere on the west or south west areas, as will need two get j lift away after dropping it off and to collect too.

Edit, didn't see that last bit, on phone, is that north county Dublin? Or city that could be an option, is it a garage? Wary of someone just doing it from home as figure there is no comeback, and came across someone that had that experience when their timing belt slipped some teeth.