Indonesia to ban alcohol

Get Real

So, Indonesia are considering the complete banning of alcohol, except in 5 star hotels and the resort island of Bali:

http://www.independent.ie/world-news/asia-pacific/indonesia-could-be-set-to-ban-consumption-of-alcohol-and-jail-drinkers-31144473.html

This of course may not happen. I know here in Ireland many people would deem this bizarre (myself included) and because I am a drinker it may give me a biased view.

However, is this not still a bit extreme? its to protect health-apparently. But what I find ironic is that this is in a country where smoking in all public places indoors is still legal, where cigarette advertising is still legal, even on tv, and where children can buy cigarettes. This is also that country with the famous smoking baby on youtube.

While drink is unhealthy, surely this is politically motivated, as it would seem they need to get a grip on more serious health issues first?

Menas

Its probably more to do with Indonesia been an Islamic country than health.

uch

Surely they can do what they like in their own country

5starpool

Indonesia has the largest population of Muslims in the world I believe, so it's presumably 99.9% because of this, however it's dressed up.

Arsemageddon

I see potential for an Al Capone style racketeering opportunity to get out of this damn recession.

Menas

Arsemageddon wrote: »

I see potential for an Al Capone style racketeering opportunity to get out of this damn recession.

Do you know what they do to drug smugglers in Indonesia? I am guessing similar punishments for booze runners!!

Arsemageddon

Trigger Happy wrote: »

Do you know what they do to drug smugglers in Indonesia? I am guessing similar punishments for booze runners!!

Doh!

Operation Beer Baron has now been cancelled.

Zombienosh

This to balance out the lack of regulations regarding smoking? That alone shows they don't care about health.

Saruman

Only 5* hotels? So the rich can drink all the alcohol they want but not the poor?

Religion has a lot to answer for and this is about religion, no matter how it's dressed up.

Macavity.

Between this and it's archaic war on drugs Indonesia comes across as a truly abhorrent and boring country. I hope never to have anything to do with such a place.

Mesrine65

Indonesia is the world's most populous Muslim-majority nation at 87.2%, so no big surprise there.

2smiggy

Macavity. wrote: »

Between this and it's archaic war on drugs Indonesia comes across as a truly abhorrent and boring country. I hope never to have anything to do with such a place.

to be fair, those caught with the drugs knew the risks, and were making vast vast sums of money. a very high stakes risk/reward.

there are a good few deaths from home made 'arak' there own poteen. but i would think the smoking should be higher up the list !!

It would be a shame to cut off the booze to the gili islands , unless they considered this close enough to count it as bali !!

biko

"This is not a religious or ideological issue," Abdul Hakim of the Prosperous Justice Party told Reuters. "This is purely for the protection of the children of the nation."

Someone thinks of the children! May Yahweh protect him.

ohnonotgmail

well thats indonesia off the stag party list

wes

Thread title is rather misleading:

The government has yet to discuss its position on the bill, but a senior minister warned a blanket ban could hurt tourism.

Its a proposed bill by 2 Islamic parties (who don't seem to be in government), and the government hasn't even discussed it yet. So nothing to see here.

ohnonotgmail

wes wrote: »

Thread title is rather misleading:



Its a proposed bill by 2 Islamic parties (who don't seem to be in government), and the government hasn't even discussed it yet. So nothing to see here.

adds indonesia back to stag party list

steddyeddy

Macavity. wrote: »

Between this and it's archaic war on drugs Indonesia comes across as a truly abhorrent and boring country. I hope never to have anything to do with such a place.

Indonesia is an amazing country. Spend a night in the Sumatran jungles and you'll change your mind.

Stinicker

I see the merits of such a ban, crime and anti-social behavior would decline. The health benefits would be enormous, rates of unwanted pregnancies and teenage pregnancies would also surely drop. Alcohol is a drug and make no mistake about it. GDP would rise and you'd have a more productive workforce. As someone who doesn't drink myself I'd see nothing wrong with such a ban being implemented.

jimgoose

Stinicker wrote: »

I see the merits of such a ban, crime and anti-social behavior would decline. The health benefits would be enormous, rates of unwanted pregnancies and teenage pregnancies would also surely drop. Alcohol is a drug and make no mistake about it. GDP would rise and you'd have a more productive workforce. As someone who doesn't drink myself I'd see nothing wrong with such a ban being implemented.

As someone who does like a few pints but doesn't commit crime, works reasonably hard, is reasonably healthy, and has yet to make a teenager - or anyone who didn't want to be - pregnant, I respectfully disagree. :pac:

Lt J.R. Bell

Arsemageddon wrote: »

I see potential for an Al Capone style racketeering opportunity to get out of this damn recession.

Al Capone could pay off the cops.

Smugglers would probably get their heads cut off using a nail file, just to ensure agonising pain

That is tourists fecking off then

Nodin

Get Real wrote: »

So, Indonesia are considering the complete banning of alcohol, except in 5 star hotels and the resort island of Bali:
..............

Yeah, that should work just as well as banning drugs has.

Yurt2

Macavity. wrote: »

Between this and it's archaic war on drugs Indonesia comes across as a truly abhorrent and boring country. I hope never to have anything to do with such a place.

Nodin

steddyeddy wrote: »

Indonesia is an amazing country. Spend a night in the Sumatran jungles and you'll change your mind.

See that just sounds like the kind of place you'd be playing the 'What's biting me/crawling on me now?' game......

end of the road

Macavity. wrote: »

Between this and it's archaic war on drugs Indonesia comes across as a truly abhorrent and boring country. I hope never to have anything to do with such a place.

don't worry, this will be as much of a failure as their failed "war on drugs"

end of the road

Stinicker wrote: »

I see the merits of such a ban, crime and anti-social behavior would decline. The health benefits would be enormous, rates of unwanted pregnancies and teenage pregnancies would also surely drop. Alcohol is a drug and make no mistake about it. GDP would rise and you'd have a more productive workforce. As someone who doesn't drink myself I'd see nothing wrong with such a ban being implemented.

no . wouldn't happen like that. it would cost us more also then currently, as we'd have no revenue from it, and have to spend millions on failing to enforce the ban. if you support an alcohol ban, you need to rethink

catallus

I think this is a great idea. Well done, Indonesia.

As for the intolerance already on display on this thread: for shame.

RedemptionZ

Macavity. wrote: »

Between this and it's archaic war on drugs Indonesia comes across as a truly abhorrent and boring country. I hope never to have anything to do with such a place.

It's an unbelievable country. Very beautiful, fascinating variety of cultures and despite the Islamic stereotypes is actually one of the more tolerant Muslim countries out there. No comparison to the west obviously but ultimately it's a very different place. If you want to be around western culture and beliefs there's more or less two continents to choose from! If all you want to get pissed off your head then stick to magaluf and co.

Sheeeeit

Any Irish heading to Indonesia will more than likely end up in Bali anyway so it won't affect us disgusting drinkers.

Zamboni

Another "Dem people is different then us, Booo!" thread.

We live in a state that exports unemployment, discriminates against children entering education system based on religion and willfully signs up private debt to the nation's balance sheet. And that is just looking at the scratch on the iceberg.
We have enough problems of our own than worrying what a sovereign nation on the other side of the planet do in relation to the supply of alcohol.

Corruptedmorals

Protect health? This is the country that is doing absolutely nothing about all of the deaths due to dodgy practices brought about as a result of bringing in a massive import tax on spirits a few years back ie. adding methanol as a cheap stretch. Who knows what would pass as drink if it was outright banned.

Eugene Norman

Zamboni wrote: »

Another "Dem people is different then us, Booo!" thread.

We live in a state that exports unemployment, discriminates against children entering education system based on religion and willfully signs up private debt to the nation's balance sheet. And that is just looking at the scratch on the iceberg.
We have enough problems of our own than worrying what a sovereign nation on the other side of the planet do in relation to the supply of alcohol.

Most countries with emigrants export unemployment. I'd be very fcuking surprised if Indonesia didn't have religious instruction and many countries socialised bank debt.

enough whataboutary.

Being Muslim this may work in Indonesia but it wouldn't here or in any western culture.

Eugene Norman

RedemptionZ wrote: »

It's an unbelievable country. Very beautiful, fascinating variety of cultures and despite the Islamic stereotypes is actually one of the more tolerant Muslim countries out there. No comparison to the west obviously but ultimately it's a very different place. If you want to be around western culture and beliefs there's more or less two continents to choose from! If all you want to get pissed off your head then stick to magaluf and co.

Yeah it's traditionally fairly tolerant. Getting less so, though.

Eugene Norman

catallus wrote: »

I think this is a great idea. Well done, Indonesia.

It really isn't a good idea, prohibition etc. many that will be less of a problem over there. Maybe not.

shruikan2553

Sure it's only 365 days of the year. If you need a drink that bad stock up the day before

smurfjed

The military wont allow it to happen as its one of their cash cows!

Eugene Norman

Stinicker wrote: »

I see the merits of such a ban, crime and anti-social behavior would decline.

You probably need to research the history of prohibition.

mikom

Lol banning alcohol.
Indonesia has got bigger problems than alcohol.
A 2010 poll by Pew Research Center showed that 30% of the population in Indonesia agreed with administering the death penalty for leaving Islam.

Safe to say I won't be sinking a cold one out there anytime soon.

Alexis Sanchez

I'm actually shocked it wasn't banned already.

Corruptedmorals wrote: »

Protect health? This is the country that is doing absolutely nothing about all of the deaths due to dodgy practices brought about as a result of bringing in a massive import tax on spirits a few years back ie. adding methanol as a cheap stretch. Who knows what would pass as drink if it was outright banned.

I believe a Boards.ie poster died from methanol poisoning in Indonesia a couple of years ago.

ohnonotgmail

catallus wrote: »

I think this is a great idea. Well done, Indonesia.

As for the intolerance already on display on this thread: for shame.

they havent done anything

Son Of A Vidic

Get Real wrote: »

Indonesia to ban alcohol

And this will have an immeasurable impact on our lives here in Ireland.

Nodin

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

And this will have an immeasurable impact on our lives here in Ireland.

Once they've finished with the West Papuans, they're heading here.

Corruptedmorals

Alexis Sanchez wrote: »

I'm actually shocked it wasn't banned already.



I believe a Boards.ie poster died from methanol poisoning in Indonesia a couple of years ago.

Yes indeed, a friend- Rozabeez. Only tourist deaths are really known about, often Australians. The Joe Duffy show did a piece on Indonesian methanol poisoning last year but word has barely spread.

Saipanne

mikom wrote: »

Lol banning alcohol.
Indonesia has got bigger problems than alcohol.
A 2010 poll by Pew Research Center showed that 30% of the population in Indonesia agreed with administering the death penalty for leaving Islam.

Safe to say I won't be sinking a cold one out there anytime soon.

I'll have you know that Islam was devised by the most enlightened minds of the 11th century. We should all convert right now.

murpho999

Amazed at how negative people are about Indonesia.here based entirely on media reports.
I have been there and it really is beautiful and the people are very friendly.

Wonder how they think Ireland is perceived abroad with it's dominance of Catholicism and history of chuch child abuse etc. Going by media reports it would not make Ireland a very attractive place.

Egginacup

Get Real wrote: »

So, Indonesia are considering the complete banning of alcohol, except in 5 star hotels and the resort island of Bali:

http://www.independent.ie/world-news/asia-pacific/indonesia-could-be-set-to-ban-consumption-of-alcohol-and-jail-drinkers-31144473.html

This of course may not happen. I know here in Ireland many people would deem this bizarre (myself included) and because I am a drinker it may give me a biased view.

However, is this not still a bit extreme? its to protect health-apparently. But what I find ironic is that this is in a country where smoking in all public places indoors is still legal, where cigarette advertising is still legal, even on tv, and where children can buy cigarettes. This is also that country with the famous smoking baby on youtube.

While drink is unhealthy, surely this is politically motivated, as it would seem they need to get a grip on more serious health issues first?

In your face, smoking ban dickheads!