New worlds longest flight route!

Stinicker

Dubai to Mexico City with Emirates is in the pipeline according to this spanish article.

http://elcorreo.ae/emirates-airline-iniciara-muy-pronto-la-ruta-dubai-mexico-df/

The route if launched will be the Worlds longest non-stop route at 14,346 kms, surpassing Sydney to Dallas/Fort Worth. However the route is expected to only be non stop one way (DXB>MEX) due to the high elevation of Mexico City Airport at over 7,000ft which would lead to significant payload restrictions on the return journey to Dubai. Potential mooted stop overs include Barcelona and Milan. It is envisioned that the route will be operated daily by a Boeing 777-200LR one of the longest range modern jetliners.

Also similarly in another expansion Turkish Airlines are launching services from Istanbul Attaurk to Mexico City albeit via Miami.

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/read.main/6371200/

Stinicker

Stinicker wrote: »

Dubai to Mexico City with Emirates is in the pipeline according to this spanish article.

http://elcorreo.ae/emirates-airline-iniciara-muy-pronto-la-ruta-dubai-mexico-df/

The route if launched will be the Worlds longest non-stop route at 14,346 kms, surpassing Sydney to Dallas/Fort Worth. However the route is expected to only be non stop one way (DXB>MEX) due to the high elevation of Mexico City Airport at over 7,000ft which would lead to significant payload restrictions on the return journey to Dubai. Potential mooted stop overs include Barcelona and Milan. It is envisioned that the route will be operated daily by a Boeing 777-200LR one of the longest range modern jetliners.

Also similarly in another expansion Turkish Airlines are launching services from Istanbul Attaurk to Mexico City albeit via Miami.

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/read.main/6371200/

It's also marginal Westbound as well.

duskyjoe

Jazus I heard Turkish inbound to Chicago the other day and I thought that was a ball breaker of a day. Dubai Mexico City you wouldn't be right for days thereafter

duskyjoe

duskyjoe wrote: »

Jazus I heard Turkish inbound to Chicago the other day and I thought that was a ball breaker of a day. Dubai Mexico City you wouldn't be right for days thereafter

4 pilots, 8000nms 17+ hours, yeah you wouldn't be right even in first or whatever Emirates call it.

smurfjed

In my latest chariot, our ferry range is over 19 hours, I think that its inhuman :)

JCX BXC

If Emirates were to launch this route they'd get a nice foothold into the emerging Latin American market, probably stunning Etihad and Qatar doing the same for a long time.

Imagine being stuck in an economy seat for 17 hours. It'd be like a prison.

iusedtoknow

duskyjoe wrote: »

Jazus I heard Turkish inbound to Chicago the other day and I thought that was a ball breaker of a day. Dubai Mexico City you wouldn't be right for days thereafter

I'm looking at doing Turkish from SFO in a few weeks.

Granted, it's for work and so will be in business - but it will be a killer either way

eatmyshorts

[Deleted User] wrote: »

4 pilots, 8000nms 17+ hours, yeah you wouldn't be right even in first or whatever Emirates call it.

You should try being operating crew on a flight like that...return.... 3 times in a month.

dimcoin

That is pretty impressive and that route is gonna be tough on those planes, but those things are beasts.

edward2222

dimcoin wrote: »

but those things are beasts.

Its the best of the beast

Tenger

eatmyshorts wrote: »

You should try being operating crew on a flight like that...return.... 3 times in a month.

A mate is doing 4 21 hour round trips over the next 3 1/2 weeks. Same destination each time with only 26 hours from arrival to departure. I don't think he will be looking too pretty come May 6th!!
And thats a lot less than the DXB-MEX route

EDIT: checked with him...3 day turnarounds at home base....so works out at 6 days per duty, x4, 24 days to complete all 4 duties. A little over 3 1/2 weeks.

duskyjoe

Tenger wrote: »

A mate is doing 4 21 hour round trips over the next 3 1/2 weeks. Same destination each time with only 26 hours from arrival to departure. I don't think he will be looking too pretty come May 6th!!
And thats a lot less than the DXB-MEX route

that's pure and utter savage work with I presume 2 day turnarounds at base? They'll be walking into lamp posts on their days off.

Reoil

Sounds like the average Ryanair airport to hotel journey...

eatmyshorts

Tenger wrote: »

A mate is doing 4 21 hour round trips over the next 3 1/2 weeks. Same destination each time with only 26 hours from arrival to departure. I don't think he will be looking too pretty come May 6th!!
And thats a lot less than the DXB-MEX route

EDIT: checked with him...3 day turnarounds at home base....so works out at 6 days per duty, x4, 24 days to complete all 4 duties. A little over 3 1/2 weeks.

And then month after month after month.... It's wrecking!

bbsrs

Tenger wrote: »

A mate is doing 4 21 hour round trips over the next 3 1/2 weeks. Same destination each time with only 26 hours from arrival to departure. I don't think he will be looking too pretty come May 6th!!
And thats a lot less than the DXB-MEX route

EDIT: checked with him...3 day turnarounds at home base....so works out at 6 days per duty, x4, 24 days to complete all 4 duties. A little over 3 1/2 weeks.

He'll be grand.

Tenger

duskyjoe wrote: »

that's pure and utter savage work with I presume 2 day turnarounds at base? They'll be walking into lamp posts on their days off.

eatmyshorts wrote: »

And then month after month after month.... It's wrecking!

Well I think the example I posted was an extreme. 84 hours per 4 weeks will make you reach your 900 very quickly. A good airline crew rostering dept will even out those long trips with shorter one so all crew members get close but not exceed the max.

A few years ago I read about very senior DL F/A's (ie in their 60's0 requesting the ATL-DXB-ATL route... 15 hours each way....3 per month and you hit your 90 hours. Rosters in the US are chosen/determined based on seniority.

circular flexing

Stinicker wrote: »

Dubai to Mexico City with Emirates is in the pipeline according to this spanish article.

http://elcorreo.ae/emirates-airline-iniciara-muy-pronto-la-ruta-dubai-mexico-df/

The route if launched will be the Worlds longest non-stop route at 14,346 kms, surpassing Sydney to Dallas/Fort Worth. However the route is expected to only be non stop one way (DXB>MEX) due to the high elevation of Mexico City Airport at over 7,000ft which would lead to significant payload restrictions on the return journey to Dubai. Potential mooted stop overs include Barcelona and Milan. It is envisioned that the route will be operated daily by a Boeing 777-200LR one of the longest range modern jetliners.

Also similarly in another expansion Turkish Airlines are launching services from Istanbul Attaurk to Mexico City albeit via Miami.

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/read.main/6371200/

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Singapore used to do SIN-EWR (18.5 hours flying time) but it was an all business class A340. There would be some health risks doing 17 hours in economy I would imagine.

smurfjed

Well I think the example I posted was an extreme.

Unfortunately not, EK crew (AFAIK) are rostered 92 (In seat/block) hours per month each and every month with the exception of vacation and training.

My colleagues can do a 1000 (in aircraft/block) a year, and as they are paid extra over 80 hours block, people are chasing a 100 hours a month. Since our pay structure was changed a few years ago and made it worthwhile for people to seek maximum hours, its quite shocking how many have had heart attacks!

Repetitive ultra long haul are a killer.

arubex

The crews might not like it but I'm sure the airframes enjoy it. 17 hours steadily cruising versus the bang-bump of regional take-offs and landings.

Blut2

I had a friend fly DXB > ATL (16hrs 10m flight time) and ATL > DXB, both in economy, in the space of a week a while ago. I think it took him about a fortnight to recover fully. I have no idea how cabin crew manage to cope with such regular long haul flights.

eatmyshorts

smurfjed wrote: »

Unfortunately not, EK crew (AFAIK) are rostered 92 (In seat/block) hours per month each and every month with the exception of vacation and training.
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I'll just correct that for you...

smurfjed wrote: »

Unfortunately not, EK crew (AFAIK) are rostered 92 (In seat/block) hours per month each and every month with the exception of vacation.
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knockon

eatmyshorts wrote: »

And then month after month after month.... It's wrecking!

26 hours at destination?? Thats tough. Whats the time in the ground for EI Cabin crew going to SFO and ORD?

iusedtoknow

knockon wrote: »

26 hours at destination?? Thats tough. Whats the time in the ground for EI Cabin crew going to SFO and ORD?

I ran into a flight attendant in SFO. They have 48 hour turns in SFO - well ish. So if the flight arrives Monday, they do the return on Wednesday evening, getting back to Dublin on Thursday morning. There are also a batch that get 3 days as the SFO flight doesn't operate 7 days a week.

to be honest, I have flown to SFO direct from a lot of places in Europe, and it's grand (i know its different for the flight attendants, as I usually just read) but you can recover from it very quickly, even in economy - i've gotten off the flight and am usually back at work the next day. It isn't a monster - 11 hours more or less from most places in Europe.

The worst one I've had to recover from to SFO was from Sydney via LAX. 14 hours... that was a killer - i had no idea what day it was for about 5 days.

PukkaStukka

Isn't the distance record for a non-stop commercial flight Sydney to London in a 747? If so, how on earth did they manage that feat?

L1011

PukkaStukka wrote: »

Isn't the distance record for a non-stop commercial flight Sydney to London in a 747? If so, how on earth did they manage that feat?

Nearly empty, that's how. There were some journos on board, no cargo

PukkaStukka

L1011 wrote: »

Nearly empty, that's how. There were some journos on board, no cargo

Explains a huge amount so. Thanks for that!

smurfjed

L1011 wrote: »

Nearly empty, that's how. There were some journos on board, no cargo

And it was only done once :) Around 1990 if i remember correctly.

eatmyshorts, thanks for the correction :) I'm trying to get my head around how you can do 92 hours in a training month? What's the secret?

I'm guessing the answer is that I'm too spoilt by our overly inefficient training and real airlines have the crews do their ground school during layovers :)

smurfjed

to be honest, I have flown to SFO direct from a lot of places in Europe, and it's grand

Of course its "grand" on a one off basis, now try repeating it 3-4 times a month.

iusedtoknow

smurfjed wrote: »

Of course its "grand" on a one off basis, now try repeating it 3-4 times a month.

I do it twice a month sometimes depending on work schedules....such is life - but that is of course in business class with a nice bed to spread in.

Not comparable to the crew having to work through it though , and be chipper, and turn around and do it all again a couple of days later - they always have my respect

coylemj

The current top 10 longest flights according to the Daily Telegraph.....

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/travelnews/11537240/The-worlds-longest-flights.html

eatmyshorts

smurfjed wrote: »

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eatmyshorts, thanks for the correction :) I'm trying to get my head around how you can do 92 hours in a training month? What's the secret?
:)

This month.. 89 hours flying.... A 10 hour recurrent groundschool day and a 6 hour brief/sim/debrief.

No credit for training duties.

Tenger

smurfjed wrote: »

Unfortunately not, EK crew (AFAIK) are rostered 92 (In seat/block) hours per month each and every month with the exception of vacation and training.......!

Repetitive ultra long haul are a killer.

1000 hours.....yeuch!

And with EK you are travelling to all points on the globe so not consistency. I know a guy in BA new fleet who hated it at first as they had few routes. A regular roster had him doing LHR-NRT-LHR, 2 days off then LHR-DEN-LHR, then back to NRT. He says it is a bit more varied now so easier to switch trips with others to keep some level of consistency.

knockon wrote: »

26 hours at destination?? Thats tough. Whats the time in the ground for EI Cabin crew going to SFO and ORD?

iusedtoknow wrote: »

I ran into an EI flight attendant in SFO. They have 48 hour turns in SFO - well ish. So if the flight arrives Monday, they do the return on Wednesday evening, getting back to Dublin on Thursday morning. There are also a batch that get 3 days as the SFO flight doesn't operate 7 days a week. .....

The mate I mentioned earlier is EI crew.
EI schedule was reduced over the winter, hence the 3 day stop. It was a mix of 1 and 2 day stops last summer. Its going daily soon enough. (must check with him) So it will be 26 hours on the ground for EI crew all summer. Looking at teh schedule on EI.com I would guess something very similar in ORD, IAD and JFK, maybe a bit more in BOS as the flights are shorter over and back.

*Kol*

I did 24 hours of flying in 48 hours recently!!! I wasn't too bad though as we had a 14 hour stop in the middle and the time difference was 6 hours between departure location and destination location.

galwayjohn89

*Kol* wrote: »

I did 24 hours of flying in 48 hours recently!!! I wasn't too bad though as we had a 14 hour stop in the middle and the time difference was 6 hours between departure location and destination location.

Was that as a passenger or pilot?

eatmyshorts

*Kol* wrote: »

I did 24 hours of flying in 48 hours recently!!! I wasn't too bad though as we had a 14 hour stop in the middle and the time difference was 6 hours between departure location and destination location.

Pffftt.... Try 30 hours in 3 days, and the repeat after 2 days off.

Danbo!

Did DUB-LHR-SIN return twice in two weeks for 3 day visits last October and I'm still not right.

smurfjed

This month.. 89 hours flying.... A 10 hour recurrent groundschool day and a 6 hour brief/sim/debrief.

there has to come a time when that ceases to be fun!