CCTV in Toilets

GerardKeating

Is there any specific legal bar for a retail establishment having CCTV in customer toilet?

And a monitor in the office to view such a camera?

Assuming that the relevant signs were in place and customers using the toilet were specifically informed of it?

Bob24

I don't know about legal restrictions, but to most people toilets monitored by CCTV would be the same as no toilets!

punisher5112

A camera can't be in a cubicle or facing a urinal but may be placed in corridor or aisle and floor area as in sinks but not as said above.

Cctv signs also would have to be installed.

Ken.

I know this is school's but I'd say the same applies to any toilet.
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/schools-get-warning-on-widespread-cctv-use-26628377.html

There was a major furore last November when the principal of Scoil Mhuire Community School in Clane, Co Kildare, installed cameras in student toilets to combat bullying and vandalism.
Following a two-day protest by students and parents, the cameras were withdrawn.
The Department of Education said while the use of CCTV was a matter for school boards of management, the use of cameras must be proportionate.
The department warned that using cameras to monitor areas where individuals would have a reasonable expectation of privacy, such as toilets, could be difficult to justify.

Greenmachine

punisher5112 wrote: »

A camera can't be in a cubicle or facing a urinal but may be placed in corridor or aisle and floor area as in sinks but not as said above.

Cctv signs also would have to be installed.

That would be my non-expert understanding too.

punisher5112

ken wrote: »

I know this is school's but I'd say the same applies to any toilet.
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/schools-get-warning-on-widespread-cctv-use-26628377.html

There was a major furore last November when the principal of Scoil Mhuire Community School in Clane, Co Kildare, installed cameras in student toilets to combat bullying and vandalism.
Following a two-day protest by students and parents, the cameras were withdrawn.
The Department of Education said while the use of CCTV was a matter for school boards of management, the use of cameras must be proportionate.
The department warned that using cameras to monitor areas where individuals would have a reasonable expectation of privacy, such as toilets, could be difficult to justify.

I wish they had them in my 1st secondary school as drug abuse, smoking, vandalism and bullying was a major issue which nobody gave a rats tail about.

Claims are huge these days.

I'm sure you have seen or heard of the claim years ago in McDonalds where people were pouring water from sink and falling but cctv was installed and people were caught putting water on floor then falling.

doolox

If I recall correctly Chuck Berry did Jail time for installing a secret camera in a toilet for nefariuos purposes. This would fall into the same category in my book and I would expect anyone installing a camera in a toilet to be jailed.

Toilets are private places and should be protected as such.

A person has to have some privacy.


Keep your eyes off the plumbing...........

ohnonotgmail

doolox wrote: »

If I recall correctly Chuck Berry did Jail time for installing a secret camera in a toilet for nefariuos purposes. This would fall into the same category in my book and I would expect anyone installing a camera in a toilet to be jailed.

Toilets are private places and should be protected as such.

A person has to have some privacy.


Keep your eyes off the plumbing...........

He was jailed for putting cameras secretly in the cubicles. Not quite what the OP is asking.

punisher5112

doolox wrote: »

If I recall correctly Chuck Berry did Jail time for installing a secret camera in a toilet for nefariuos purposes. This would fall into the same category in my book and I would expect anyone installing a camera in a toilet to be jailed.

Toilets are private places and should be protected as such.

A person has to have some privacy.


Keep your eyes off the plumbing...........

That's totally different these were hidden and placed inside cubicle to try and get the money shot.

That's a sick sick individual nothing at all what is been asked about here its obvious to all that is wrong.

In my work place there are cameras in some toilets not cubicle but the outer areas.

Someone slipped in a Supermacs in Galway a few years back. Tried to bring it to court. However CCTV footage from the toilets showed their pouring water on the ground and practicing how to fall convincingly.

mrwhimwham

In the place I work they have a camera hidden in a false fire alarm in the public toilets. It's pointed at the sinks and in no way pointed at a cubicles or urinals. I think the main idea of it is if there is any vandalism it might be kept for future evidence.

godtabh

mrwhimwham wrote: »

In the place I work they have a camera hidden in a false fire alarm in the public toilets. It's pointed at the sinks and in no way pointed at a cubicles or urinals. I think the main idea of it is if there is any vandalism it might be kept for future evidence.

Dont think it can be used in future evidence. Has to be made public that people are being recorded.

gctest50

down to common sense really,

can't be putting cameras in cubicles :

http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/creepy-paramedic-who-filmed-female-2466635

ok-ish in the other parts :

Use of CCTV to monitor areas where individuals would have a reasonable expectation of privacy would be difficult to justify. Toilets and rest rooms are an obvious example. To justify use in such an area, a data controller would have to demonstrate that a pattern of security breaches had occurred in the area prior to the installation of the system such as would warrant constant electronic surveillance. Where such use can be justified, the CCTV cameras should never be capable of capturing images from cubicles or urinal areas

http://www.dataprotection.ie/docs/Data-Protection-CCTV/242.htm

goz83

I can't see why there woukd be a legal bar in the common area of the toilets. I don't have a problem with a camera watching me washing and drying my hands. But if it was pointing at my waste pipe, I would have to be asking questions.

doolox

I suppose it must be OK in the washroom part of the facilities. To me a toilet is the actual cubicle where the private stuff happens but I guess it could be expanded to include the areas where washing of hands happens.

I suppose a camera in those areas where washing happens would be OK to prevent assaults vandalism etc but definitely not in the cublicles.

Victor

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/dad-who-faked-fall-in-supermacs-faces-sentence-26014498.html

godtabh wrote: »

Dont think it can be used in future evidence. Has to be made public that people are being recorded.

No doubt there will be generous signage at the entrance and perhaps throughout the building.

hullaballoo

Victor wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/dad-who-faked-fall-in-supermacs-faces-sentence-26014498.html

No doubt there will be generous signage at the entrance and perhaps throughout the building.

I'm sorry to point this out but how credible is that account given that an article, which was published 11 years ago, still contains mistakes?

If you're a journalist who is incapable of constructing a short article using correct language, how reliable is your account of what actually happened on the day in court? Not very.

Newspaper reports in relation to court happenings are about the least reliable source, in my experience. They are so frequently inaccurate as to be useless.