Interesting "rule" at work place

lkasprzak

Hi,

I`m not sure if this is right place to ask this (forum is huge )

At my work place this new rule appear lately (I cannot post any images, so I just write it down):

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!!! IMPORTANT NOTICE !!!

IF YOU FORGOT CLOCK IN YOU WILL GET A PAY FROM MOMENT
WHEN YOU PUT YOUR FINGER TO THE CLOCKER MACHINE.

IF YOU FORGET CLOCK OUT YOU WILL HAVE DEDUCTED 2 HOURS FROM
YOUR DAILY TOTAL OF HOURS.

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Any thoughts about it? Is this even legal? Thanks

wotzgoingon

It's not very difficult to clock in and out every day. Had to do it myself 14 years ago.

GerardKeating

If you are required to clock in/out, then it is not unreasonable to start the payments from when you clock-in.

If you fail to clock out, then it is not unreasonable for them to deduct the hours you did not work.

What might be unreasonable is not to have a procedure for you to claim hours you worked, but were not clocked in, but it would be reasonable for them to require positive proof you were there and working, and setting a high (but fair) standard might not be unreasonable.

If might also be not unreasonable to make working without clocking in a disciplinary affair, for H&S reasons.

Geniass

Don't forget to clock in and out. Everybody happy.

professore

Where I worked many moons ago, we had cards, if you forgot you could ask the manager to put in the time and sign it, needless to say you got about one request every 3 months signed, and was completely at his discretion, so it wasn't something you did often.

lkasprzak

The thing is that they know that Im at the work since the begining od the day. Im not late - just forgot to clock in. The team leaders checking every name on the list every day. So basically I wont be paid for work I did. That seems completely not fair.

Stone Deaf 4evr

lkasprzak wrote: »

The thing is that they know that Im at the work since the begining od the day. Im not late - just forgot to clock in. The team leaders checking every name on the list every day. So basically I wont be paid for work I did. That seems completely not fair.

The fact that they've had to put up a notice about it, suggests that it was something they felt was being abused. I highly doubt its directed at you personally , but I can see how a supervisor / manager having to sign off on incomplete timekeeping would get annoyed. You'd be amazed and how the potential loss of money can sharpen peoples memory.

syklops

Years ago where I worked, the ritual in the morning was, get in door, clock in, take off jacket, have glass of water, chat with Mary etc start work. In the evening the ritual was finish shift, glass of water, put on jacket, chat to Mary etc, clock out and go home.

You never ever "forgot" to clock in because it meant potentially getting less money. You never forgot to clock out because it could delay your payment for that day.

The above level of abuse of the system was recognised and tolerated, and so everyone did it.. What wasn't tolerated was stuff like, clocking in and going for a sleep in the stock room(happened, guy got caught, guy did it again, guy got fired). Or "forgetting" to clock out for lunch and then saying you worked through lunch.

Your place of work has probably noticed its the same people all the time "forgetting" to clock in(because they were late and didn't want it noticed) or "forgetting" to clock out at lunch etc, and now are covering themselves.

Stone Deaf 4evr

syklops wrote: »

Years ago where I worked, the ritual in the morning was, get in door, clock in, take off jacket, have glass of water, chat with Mary etc start work. In the evening the ritual was finish shift, glass of water, put on jacket, chat to Mary etc, clock out and go home.

yup, I once worked in a factory, and 35 men on shift managed to clock out in less than a minute. literally everyone standing in a line with the timecard in hand, ready to go. the guy at the front of the line would have the card resting in the slot, and as soon as the hour struck - click click click click and everyone out the gap at once.

Uno my Uno.

As some mentioned above it is reasonable for your employer to require you to clock in and out on time, However they must pay you for work done, that is part of your contract of employment.

billy few mates

Uno my Uno. wrote: »

As some mentioned above it is reasonable for your employer to require you to clock in and out on time, However they must pay you for work done, that is part of your contract of employment.

Yes but if you're not clocking in and out when you should be how will they know how much to pay you..?

It seems to me that this is not a rule dreamt up by your employer to avoid paying you for work you have done but rather a rule designed to make sure that you remember to clock in and out when you're supposed to...

Uno my Uno.

billy few mates wrote: »

Yes but if you're not clocking in and out when you should be how will they know how much to pay you..?

It seems to me that this is not a rule dreamt up by your employer to avoid paying you for work you have done but rather a rule designed to make sure that you remember to clock in and out when you're supposed to...

It sounds exactly like that to me, according to the OP they will subtract two hours pay from the wages of anyone who clocks out late. That is penal and disproportionate and it would never stand up in front of a Rights Commissioner or Employment Tribunal.

It is possible to say who was working and when, there should be a level of supervision of employees and work done etc which would make it possible to say how much employees are to be paid. I'm not saying that failure to Clock in or out at the right times shouldn't be a disciplinary matter only that it has to be done fairly and deducting wages is not permissible IMO.

irelandrover

Uno my Uno. wrote: »

It sounds exactly like that to me, according to the OP they will subtract two hours pay from the wages of anyone who clocks out late. That is penal and disproportionate and it would never stand up in front of a Rights Commissioner or Employment Tribunal.

It is possible to say who was working and when, there should be a level of supervision of employees and work done etc which would make it possible to say how much employees are to be paid. I'm not saying that failure to Clock in or out at the right times shouldn't be a disciplinary matter only that it has to be done fairly and deducting wages is not permissible IMO.

If you don't clock out you are deducted. Not if you click out late. That's in place to stop people leaving early and just not clocking out.

Uno my Uno.

irelandrover wrote: »

If you don't clock out you are deducted. Not if you click out late. That's in place to stop people leaving early and just not clocking out.

If I was working there I would want that clarified immediately.

Geniass

Uno my Uno. wrote: »

If I was working there I would want that clarified immediately.

Get what clarified? No employer penalises for clocking out late, unless you're just hanging around using up oxygen.

lkasprzak

Geniass wrote: »

Get what clarified? No employer penalises for clocking out late, unless you're just hanging around using up oxygen.

In this company you are penalised for that. People working and dont get paid for their work, just because forgot to clock in or out. Its happening from time to time to some people - never happened to me - and they dont get paid. I would like to know what to do if one time I forget to clock in.

Geniass

lkasprzak wrote: »

People working and dont get paid for their work, just because forgot to clock in or out.

If people are asked to work a certain time and they work unscheduled overtime then they wont get paid for the extra time, however they wont get penalised either.

If you forget to clock in you'll need to talk to your manager and hope he'll make a manual adjustment, which will waste his time.

You may get it changed if you don't do it regularly. If you do forget to clock in regularly you've only got yourself to blame.