"Come back" after garage repair

humaxf1

Hi all,

I had my van in with a main dealer for some repair at the start of the month (March)

Symptoms;
Check engine light
Limp mode/engine cut out with hard acceleration

Computer diagnostic;
Low fuel pressure

Repair;
New fuel pressure sensor
Replaced wiring/connectors to ECU

Cost;
Diagnostic check, parts, labour...etc

€520


500 odd Km later, the check engine light and limp mode has returned. I contacted the garage and they tell me there will be a fee to take another look. I understand that if any profession was to "take a look" for free each time it would be abused but seeing as they charged the first time, are they obliged to not charge this time?

Any takers on where I stand now? On collecting the vehicle, they said to see how it behaves. If it arises again, it could be fuel pump problems which is in the region of €2,000 due to the labour involved and dis-assembly etc etc.

Your thoughts please... Thank you

Bigus

Main dealers are more in the business of selling parts and services rather than the business of fixing stuff the way an independent mechanic might. You've no come back in your current situation or even if .the new 2000 euro fuel pump doesn't solve the problem ,,, sorry .

martinr5232

What type of van is it ?? Did they replace the fuel filter ??

martinr5232

Bigus wrote:

Main dealers are more in the business of selling parts and services rather than the business of fixing stuff the way an independent mechanic might. You've no come back in your current situation or even if .the new 2000 euro fuel pump doesn't solve the problem ,,, sorry .

Thats the biggest load of sh!te where do you think the independant garages bring and send all there problem vehicles.

goz83

martinr5232 wrote: »

Thats the biggest load of sh!te where do you think the independant garages bring and send all there problem vehicles.

As far away from main dealers as possibke I would think.

mickdw

goz83 wrote: »

As far away from main dealers as possibke I would think.

I would tend to agree in general

mullingar

humaxf1 wrote: »

Computer diagnostic;
Low fuel pressure

Repair;
New fuel pressure sensor
Replaced wiring/connectors to ECU

Cost;
Diagnostic check, parts, labour...etc

€520

If they just threw in a new sensor without any real diagnostic work, ie checking the fuel rail pressure under load/no load conditions or checking the filter then that is disgraceful.

And you know something? I'm not surprised.

@op, before any other parts are fitted, change the filter.

humaxf1

No word of the filter being replaced.

It's a 2008 Scudo (new shape) 1.6 Diesel 90HP (86,000Km)

I had it for CVRT (in another establishment) in February during which the check engine light was on. They ran a diagnostic which pulled up low fuel pressure.

First thing they suggested to replace was the fuel filter, whereas the main dealer went for fuel pressure sensor (€260 supply and labour alone) which according to them didn't solve the issue, but with some mysterious rewiring it worked.

They also extracted data from the ECU mid repair and sent it to FIAT Ireland for the boffins in the FIAT cave to ponder over. After all the work, they drove for 20Km and it behaved Ok.

I guess the big question is, Is it worth pumping the €2k into it and possibly not be guaranteed a cure? I work in the service industry and I understand sometimes you have to do the work/fix things to see if it "works". €2k is a big gamble on the other hand.

Is it time to trade in?

I'll swing by them on Tuesday and see what they have to say face-to-face.

Thanks for all your input so far or if anyone has further to add, please do.

martinr5232

Put a fuel filter on it and take a fuel sample.

dodderangler

humaxf1 wrote: »

It's a 2008 Scudo (new shape) 1.6 Diesel 90HP (86,000Km)

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New shape old shape it's still a fiat and you'd have more success driving a car with an engine made of toothpicks.

Kevin McCloud

Always entertains me when a diagnostic says low fuel pressure and they blame the fuel pump, are these graduates of mens sheds that are sprawling around the country with no cop on at all.

mullingar

A 1.6d Scudo?

That's the PSA engine fitted to Citroen /Peugeot /volvo/ford/suzuki/mini etc.

My money is firmly on the fuel filter. These filters are very fine and get blocked quite easily. Once they get blocked the engine will cut out under load as the fuel pump simply cannot compress fuel that it is being starved of and the fuel line pressure drops and throws an error code.

humaxf1

Thanks Mullingar.

Yes, 1.6 Scudo commercial, TD

Your reasoning sounds good to me. I'll run it by the garage and see how they react.

9935452

humaxf1 wrote: »

Thanks Mullingar.

Yes, 1.6 Scudo commercial, TD

Your reasoning sounds good to me. I'll run it by the garage and see how they react.

Personally id get a fuel filter and fit it myself or go to an independent and get them to fit one or see what they say.
If you go back to the main dealer and ask them, they will say its not the filter especially after they charged you over 500 to fix it.
You will definitely end up getting a new fuel pump off them and they will probably fit a new fuel filter as well when they do it

corglass

OSI wrote: »

Fricking hilarious! You know the 1.6 in the Scudo is actually a Ford engine right? The same engine that's used in the Focus, Fiesta, several Mazdas and Volvos, the Mini Cooper D, several Peugeots and Citreons and more besides. Of course you do.

The mini Cooper d is 1.6?

martinr5232

OSI wrote:

Fricking hilarious! You know the 1.6 in the Scudo is actually a Ford engine right? The same engine that's used in the Focus, Fiesta, several Mazdas and Volvos, the Mini Cooper D, several Peugeots and Citreons and more besides. Of course you do.

Its not a ford engine its a peugoet citroen engine used by other manufacturers.

Gazzmonkey

OSI wrote: »

Fricking hilarious! You know the 1.6 in the Scudo is actually a Ford engine right? The same engine that's used in the Focus, Fiesta, several Mazdas and Volvos, the Mini Cooper D, several Peugeots and Citreons and more besides. Of course you do.

So it's PSA ?

mullingar

corglass wrote: »

The mini Cooper d is 1.6?

Mini D had 4 different diesel engines, the Toyota 1.4, the PSA 1.6 (aka the cooper) and now a 3-pot 1.5 & 4-pot 2.0 Cooper (afaik theses are BMW engines).

sky6

+1 for starting with a Filter change. Also there's plenty of dodgy fuel out there. Have you had the Fuel checked for quality. ?

Desolation Of Smug

Gazzmonkey wrote: »

So it's PSA ?

Yes, and a chocolate engine.