Herbicide: WHO Declares that Glyphosate Herbicides Probably Cause Cancer (Roundup)

NewVision

Monsanto’s Roundup Herbicide: The WHO Glyphosate Report Ends A Thirty Year Cancer Cover Up

Global Research, March 31, 2015

Following on from last week’s Word Health Organization (WHO) report on glyphosate, which confirmed the world’s most used herbicide probably causes cancer, Sustainable Pulse has discovered documents from 1991 that show how the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) themselves were fully aware of glyphosate’s carcinogenic potential.


Also: Glyphosate, 2,4-D, dicamba herbicides cause antibiotic resistance

30th March 2015

Scientists have discovered that exposure to three widely used herbicides including Monsanto's Roundup and Kamba causes pathogenic bacteria to develop resistance to medically important antibiotics.


This is an important issue. Not only for farmers. Glyphosate is widely used.

=> Cancer deaths double in Argentina's GMO agribusiness areas

24th August 2014

A report by the Ministry of Health in Córdoba, Argentina reveals that deaths from cancerous tumours are double the national average in areas where genetically engineered crops are grown and agro-chemicals are used.

NewVision

From the International Agency for Research on Cancer (WHO):

IARC Monographs Volume 112: evaluation of five organophosphate insecticides and herbicides (PDF)

The IARC Working Group that conducted the evaluation considered the significant findings from the US EPA report and several more recent positive results in concluding that there is sufficient evidence of carcinogenicity in experimental animals. Glyphosate also caused DNA and chromosomal damage in human cells, although it gave negative results in tests using bacteria. One study in community residents reported increases in blood markers of chromosomal damage (micronuclei) after glyphosate formulations were sprayed nearby.

_Brian

Is it More important because all the text is in bold ?

Blackgrass

Grand soft day out, chance of drought after the torrential downpour later mind.
Oxygen can kill if concentration is too high..

_Brian

How many people actually believe chemicals like roundup are completly safe ??
Really, using these is a calculated risk.


I think most commercial chemicals herbesides/pesticides are similarly dangerous, thus their use should be restricted to professionals trained in their use and the use of PPE.

Using diesel is dangerous, petrol too.
Household cleaners have some shocking chemicals in them.

I worked in the semiconductor industry for over a decade. Some of the chemicals used there are truly horrific, dangerous in so many ways. Yet without their use this thread could never have been created nor read by anyone.

Bad stuff is essential for the modern life we lead. It's an unavoidable fact of life.
The push should be for their responsible use.

Without the use of modern chemicals in farming there would be no way of feeding the 7bn souls on the face f the earth. Using them responsibility is the key !!

hfallada

If WHO says the main issue is bacteria being resistant to antibiotics. Why aren't they also pushing to stop farmers in the likes of the US/china using massive amount of antibiotics on their livestock? Its probably because its easier to target a single company like Monsanto that makes round up, than the massive US livestock industry.

Blackgrass

_Brian wrote: »

How many people actually believe chemicals like roundup are completly safe ??
Really, using these is a calculated risk.


I think most commercial chemicals herbesides/pesticides are similarly dangerous, thus their use should be restricted to professionals trained in their use and the use of PPE.

Using diesel is dangerous, petrol too.
Household cleaners have some shocking chemicals in them.

I worked in the semiconductor industry for over a decade. Some of the chemicals used there are truly horrific, dangerous in so many ways. Yet without their use this thread could never have been created nor read by anyone.

Bad stuff is essential for the modern life we lead. It's an unavoidable fact of life.
The push should be for their responsible use.

Without the use of modern chemicals in farming there would be no way of feeding the 7bn souls on the face f the earth. Using them responsibility is the key !!

+1 the Eu have gone through ALL Ag chems with tooth comb and taken alot of nasty stuff off the market, but some times there's a neccesary evil. Some of the older guys would comment how they used to have no ppe,cut the tab off the top of your chem bottle with your pen knife then cut your apple at lunch time without cleaning it. As such i the advantages of modern sciences.

freedominacup

Blackgrass wrote: »

Grand soft day out, chance of drought after the torrential downpour later mind.
Oxygen can kill if concentration is too high..

Number one cause of cancer. If nothing else gets ya oxygen will do you in the end. That said my cousin got leukemia in the early nineties when he was in his early twenties. There were an awful lot of tillage farmers on his ward. Most of them in their fifties. All had used a lot of chem when health and safety wasn't even a concept. The link to gm and glyphosphates is tenuous in that Argentinian research. But there probably is a link between improper use of any chemicals and health problems. My sister looked at some of those studies a couple of years ago and her conclusion was "typical biologists". Basically the exposure they subjected the material and animals they were experimenting on to was so high it was guaranteed to cause some problems. I think she said at the time if you used essential amino acids at the same rates you'd get problems never mind to say a product like glyphosphate.

A more interesting study/experiment carried out in the same area in Argentina for guys like yourself and dawg would be the one they did on continuous use of glyphosphates and soil borne diseases. I don't have a link but from memory it wasn't great for wheat especially.

Blackgrass

freedominacup wrote: »

Number one cause of cancer. If nothing else gets ya oxygen will do you in the end. That said my cousin got leukemia in the early nineties when he was in his early twenties. There were an awful lot of tillage farmers on his ward. Most of them in their fifties. All had used a lot of chem when health and safety wasn't even a concept. The link to gm and glyphosphates is tenuous in that Argentinian research. But there probably is a link between improper use of any chemicals and health problems. My sister looked at some of those studies a couple of years ago and her conclusion was "typical biologists". Basically the exposure they subjected the material and animals they were experimenting on to was so high it was guaranteed to cause some problems. I think she said at the time if you used essential amino acids at the same rates you'd get problems never mind to say a product like glyphosphate.

A more interesting study/experiment carried out in the same area in Argentina for guys like yourself and dawg would be the one they did on continuous use of glyphosphates and soil borne diseases. I don't have a link but from memory it wasn't great for wheat especially.

It's the benefit of time really, like all things new it's not until the first generations go through we really learn the effects. The guys mentioned in previous post would be similar group to your cousins experience of chems say 60-70's. Now it's full ppe and last year even got a +air respirator for dusts but sadly for most they seem to take training as 'more cost and jobs for the boys'. Heck something i learned at one is spraying on a still HOT day is much much more dangerous for drift than a resonable light breeze as the chem can vapourise if targeting small droplets as opposed to 'coarse' when going with eg a fungicide where you want good coverage and drift away for miles before cooling and falling vs landing a few 100'sm away on a wind drift both bad but ones worse.

I have a vague idea of something been menioned about soil diseases and over use of glyphos, heck my neighbour gives most fields atleast 2 doses between stale seed beds.burning of crop each year somethings gotta give.

Dawggone

My father sprayed DDT on wheat for midge during the war years with a horse drawn sprayer. You had to walk behind it so I'm assuming he inhaled plenty.
On top of that he smoked 2packs of fags a day until he was 76.
He is now 86 and going strong.

Not very scientific but the devil can cite scripture for his purpose...:)

blue5000

http://www.irishexaminer.com/examviral/science-world/video-scientist-claims-chemical-is-safe-enough-to-drink-ndash-until-interviewer-says-he-has-some-321185.html#.VRqxHAqXr1k.facebook
I wonder WHO got a big pay off??

NewVision

A tobacco smoker wouldn't die instantly either, but when the International Agency for Research on Cancer (WHO) declares glyphosate as a group 2A carcinogen then we should take that seriously.

Also see again => Cancer deaths double in Argentina's GMO agribusiness areas

24th August 2014

A report by the Ministry of Health in Córdoba, Argentina reveals that deaths from cancerous tumours are double the national average in areas where genetically engineered crops are grown and agro-chemicals are used.

We should ultimately follow scientific recommendation and avoid using glyphosate. It's not only about yourself. In the end we also have banned smoking in pubs and restaurants.

NewVision

A study from September 2012 finds that GM corn and Roundup cause cancer in rats

Nekarsulm

As with Israel/Palestine, Cuba/USA, Shannon/Flights, Motorways/Nature, Monsanto seems to be a magnet for people with a need to pursue a cause. Don't know how Bayer, BASF, Dow etc. dodged that bullet, but there you go.
Common sense and proper adherence to guidelines and procedures are needed with chemicals. Its that simple. Anything can kill you in the wrong circumstances.
A man employed to unblock/clear a sewer was killed locally when two very common chemicals were used one after the other to try and shift/dissolve a blockage. He put his head into an inspection point and inhaled.
Hardly sensible to blame the manufactures. is it?

NewVision

Nekarsulm. It's neither about another conspiracy, nor about Israel. When science is telling us that something is dangerous then it shouldn't matter what your political bias is. Therefore sane people should consequently stop using this chemical. Full stop.

Mad4simmental

Use PPE and hug a tree you'll be grand.

Pacoa

But can we stop using it? Is there any alternative to it? What are the Dutch doing? I believe they banned it, is this true?

Dawggone

Pacoa wrote: »

But can we stop using it? Is there any alternative to it? What are the Dutch doing? I believe they banned it, is this true?

No. I think they banned its use pre-harvest.

Nekarsulm

NewVision wrote: »

Nekarsulm. It's neither about another conspiracy, nor about Israel. When science is telling us that something is dangerous then it shouldn't matter what your political bias is. Therefore sane people should consequently stop using this chemical. Full stop.

I have listened to Scientists spout theories for years. Butter is bad for you, you should use chemically engineered oil based spreads.
Then eggs would kill us all.
Then Butter was good for us again.
Then eggs were OK if cooked.
Then all our kids would be Autistic in vaccinated, then they probably wouldn't.

This is just another anti-"Big Agri" cause.
If I have a field contaminated with scutch grass, I'll use roundup, or Glyphospate. If I don't, I won't.
I don't go out and spray for fun, its only when it becomes necessary.
Meanwhile, you can go out and try digging out couch grass, or scutch grass with a fork if you like. You will be gainfully (possibly) employed for the rest of your life. Without much to show for it.
Meanwhile farmers will continue to provide affordable food for you.
Insane, isn't it?

_Brian

NewVision wrote: »

Nekarsulm. It's neither about another conspiracy, nor about Israel. When science is telling us that something is dangerous then it shouldn't matter what your political bias is. Therefore sane people should consequently stop using this chemical. Full stop.

I think that's a very naive position to be taking.

Modern agriculture just isn't viable without the use of such tools. Its a bit like asking farms to stop using modern tractors and only use small 20hp tractors, it would have similar level of impact on farming outputs. We'd very soon have massive food shortages and the price of basics would sky rocket.

It should be approached in a sensible manner and ensure its use is regulated and by trained personnel - this is already underway here.

Nekarsulm

Ah Fis Nua, I see now that you are a registered Political Party!
And there I was thinking you were a well meaning but possibly naïve concerned citizen.
Still, on reading your front page manifesto (where you describe Agriculture as a process to turn Oil into Humans) no doubt you believe a world wide food shortage, with a significant reduction in the worlds population, can only benefit this planet?
Who will get to decide who lives, and who dies?

Good luck with your campaign, but there is a Politics forum here in Soc. where you may get a hearing.

NewVision

I was expecting science deniers to politicise this issue :rolleyes:

NewVision

Watch Lobbyist Eat His Words After Saying Drinking Roundup Is ‘Not Dangerous to Humans’

Nekarsulm

NewVision wrote: »

I was expecting science deniers to politicise this issue :rolleyes:

From your own web page: "It can also be convincingly argued that modern agriculture is the process of turning crude oil into people." :rolleyes:

NewVision

_Brian wrote: »

I think that's a very naive position to be taking.

Modern agriculture just isn't viable without the use of such tools. Its a bit like asking farms to stop using modern tractors and only use small 20hp tractors, it would have similar level of impact on farming outputs. We'd very soon have massive food shortages and the price of basics would sky rocket.

It should be approached in a sensible manner and ensure its use is regulated and by trained personnel - this is already underway here.

Straw man arguments. DDT was also banned after science told us not to use it any more. There are surely alternatives to glyphosate. And organic farming doesn't make people poor either.

Nekarsulm

NewVision wrote: »

Straw man arguments. DDT was also banned after science told us not to use it any more. There are surely alternatives to glyphosate. And organic farming doesn't make people poor either.

So tell me what they are then. And I will spray with them instead.

NewVision

Nekarsulm wrote: »

From your own web page: "It can also be convincingly argued that modern agriculture is the process of turning crude oil into people." :rolleyes:

So what? Read on: "Indeed, such is oil’s importance that fluctuations in its supply have profound effects on the human world."

BTW, it's not my own web page, it's the website of the party I joined. You don't really want to argue about the International Agency for Research on Cancer declaring glyphosate as a group 2A carcinogen, do you?

NewVision

Nekarsulm wrote: »

So tell me what they are then. And I will spray with them instead.

Poor boy. Can't even do his own wee research. Here for a start => https://www.google.ie/search?num=100&newwindow=1&safe=off&q=natural+weed+control

Nekarsulm

Thanks, I'll give you my No.1 next year.

PS, there's a pothole on our road for the last 12 months, do your best, and the rest of the household might vote as well....

_Brian

NewVision wrote: »

Straw man arguments. DDT was also banned after science told us not to use it any more. There are surely alternatives to glyphosate. And organic farming doesn't make people poor either.

But we've not been told not to use glyphosate, we've been told that a study shows that MAYBE its usage in an underdeveloped country with poor agriculture practices, its poor usage causes cancer

See here, agricultural chemicals in Argentina are not properly regulated and glyphosate is used at TEN TIMES the rate in other countries.

So because farmers in a south american country are crazy using a chemical with no regard for their health nor the health of their neighbors... Everybody has to stop using said chemicals !! FFS, this is typical extreme tree hugging policy that discredits any reasonable argument on chemical usage and modern farming techniques..

If we stop using chemicals and every farm on the planet went organic there would be widespread famine and basic food like bread and porridge milk and meat would cost a fortune !

NewVision

Nekarsulm wrote: »

Thanks, I'll give you my No.1 next year.

PS, there's a pothole on our road for the last 12 months, do your best, and the rest of the household might vote as well....

Well. I'm not running myself. Particularly not in Neckarsulm

NewVision

_Brian wrote: »

But we've not been told not to use glyphosate, we've been told that a study shows that MAYBE its usage in an underdeveloped country with poor agriculture practices, its poor usage causes cancer

See here, agricultural chemicals in Argentina are not properly regulated and glyphosate is used at TEN TIMES the rate in other countries.

So because farmers in a south american country are crazy using a chemical with no regard for their health nor the health of their neighbors... Everybody has to stop using said chemicals !! FFS, this is typical extreme tree hugging policy that discredits any reasonable argument on chemical usage and modern farming techniques..

If we stop using chemicals and every farm on the planet went organic there would be widespread famine and basic food like bread and porridge milk and meat would cost a fortune !

Straw man arguments. There are alternatives to glyphosate in Ireland. Europe obeys the precautionary principle. We will not starve to death when we avoid carcinogenic chemicals.

BTW, it's not just one single study that convinced the International Agency for Research on Cancer to classify glyphosate as a group 2A carcinogen.

_Brian

NewVision wrote: »

Poor boy. Can't even do his own wee research. Here for a start => https://www.google.ie/search?num=100&newwindow=1&safe=off&q=natural+weed+control

Classic..
I checked the first link you threw up (after pintrest)

So your suggesting modern agriculture choose from the following as weed control...

1. Mulch - lay lawn clipping, straw or sheets of newspaper on the ground
2. Hand held hoe
3. Solorization - a process of covering the field with clear plastic and let the sun cook the weeds away
4. Spreading "corn gluten meal on the area
5. Hand Pulling

Now,
Say I've planted 200Acres of potatoes/maze/barley or any crop, can you suggest which one of the tree hugging methods would be best suited !

This Clap-trap is usually thrown about by those who've managed to grow nothing but their hair and nails !

Buford T. Justice XIX

NewVision wrote: »

Straw man arguments. There are alternatives to glyphosate in Ireland. Europe obeys the precautionary principle. We will not starve to death when we avoid carcinogenic chemicals.

BTW, it's not just one single study that convinced the International Agency for Research on Cancer to classify glyphosate as a group 2A carcinogen.

I like you.

You're funny:)

Buford T. Justice XIX

_Brian wrote: »

Classic..
I checked the first link you threw up (after pintrest)

So your suggesting modern agriculture choose from the following as weed control...

1. Mulch - lay lawn clipping, straw or sheets of newspaper on the ground
2. Hand held hoe
3. Solorization - a process of covering the field with clear plastic and let the sun cook the weeds away
4. Spreading "corn gluten meal on the area
5. Hand Pulling

Now,
Say I've planted 200Acres of potatoes/maze/barley or any crop, can you suggest which one of the tree hugging methods would be best suited !

This Clap-trap is usually thrown about by those who've managed to grow nothing but their hair and nails !

Those that can, do.

Those that can't, preach.

tabby aspreme

I wonder for how much longer will glyphosate be used pre harvest

NewVision

_Brian wrote: »

Classic..
I checked the first link you threw up (after pintrest)

So your suggesting modern agriculture choose from the following as weed control...

1. Mulch - lay lawn clipping, straw or sheets of newspaper on the ground
2. Hand held hoe
3. Solorization - a process of covering the field with clear plastic and let the sun cook the weeds away
4. Spreading "corn gluten meal on the area
5. Hand Pulling

Now,
Say I've planted 200Acres of potatoes/maze/barley or any crop, can you suggest which one of the tree hugging methods would be best suited !

This Clap-trap is usually thrown about by those who've managed to grow nothing but their hair and nails !

Is that what you call research? I doubt you have ever planted 200 acres. Amazing how careless some people are when it comes to dealing with poison.

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

Those that can, do.

Those that can't, preach.

Mad4simmental

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Tokyo

I think it's fair to say that every farmer out there knows that herbicides are bad for you, and should be used with caution. Particularly when it's written on the container.

The links are there if people want to read at their leisure and judge for themselves, however I see no reason in letting this thread spiral into pointless soapboxing.