Good news - ECU grant for Glorney

mikhail

http://www.irishchessunion.net/?p=312

Hosting the Glorney (and other international youth cups) which we do on rotation, is one of the more expensive things the ICU does, so the ECU granting €5000 towards it is a significant bit of good news.

There's also an April fools joke on the temporary ICU site, if such things float your boat.

brilliantboy

Great news for Irish chess

Unless the end result is just €5000 extra spent on hosting the Glorney, then it's only great news for a privileged few

L1m1tless

Great News, Plenty of Money for Security for the event!

Chess_Coach

This is great Development for Irish Chess and project that I started Last year . Despite ICU giving support to Silvio who is now in centre of the corruption saga in Bulgaria the new ECU team decided to help Irish Chess. The good men of the Executive will know how to spend this money and save members money . In the past 3 years as Junior Officer I saved 4 000 e per year plus this 5000 to ICU coffers . So 17 000 from Croatian man in the 4 years is not that bad. Hope that some Irish friends will match this ?

L1m1tless

Well done, you are doing a great job, Can I have a few quid towards entering a weekender please?

Chess_Coach

Btw why did you you mention the Security Cost please ?

L1m1tless

Chess is a dangerous game, cant be too careful :P

reunion

Chess_Coach wrote: »

Btw why did you you mention the Security Cost please ?

Someone could assault him or a minor.


Again this would be good if the ICU doesn't spend the original budget it had for the event PLUS this 5,000.

checknraise

There is no doubt that getting grant from the ECU of €5,000 is a significant achievement. Well done to the ICU & Chess Coach for making it happen.

Chess_Coach

ICU will save 5 000 e and no one cent will be spent more then planned . Spend on what ? This just shows pure frustration. Say well done Darko for securing 5g . That is all

reunion

Chess_Coach wrote: »

ICU will save 5 000 e and no one cent will be spent more then planned . Spend on what ? This just shows pure frustration. Say well done Darko for securing 5g . That is all

If the event just becomes more expensive to run, or the ICU spend the original money it planned, the ICU saved 0. So the original budget (not available anymore on the icu website) was about 3k.

Is there 3k available to spend elsewhere as a result of this?

The ICU didn't even thank Darko (Chess_coach) on the notice on colm's their blog. You should raise it with the Chairman as he wrote that notice.

Where is the notice on the ECU website about this? Has the ICU received the money? Has the ECU approved this expenditure?

Chess_Coach

It is indeed as we will have 5 000 more in budget. Why the ICU should thank me this is my job as Development Officer .
*snip*

reunion

Chess_Coach wrote: »

It is indeed as we will have 5 000 more in budget. Why the ICU should thank me this is my job as Development Officer .

If you decide anonymity isn't something you respect you aren't welcome here. Consider this your warning

Chess_Coach

But you have mentioned my name before .

cdeb

You have mentioned who you are before. On this thread for starters.

The forum charter is fairly clear on identifying posters.

reunion

Chess_Coach wrote: »

Say well done Darko for securing 5g . That is all

Chess_Coach wrote: »

It is indeed as we will have 5 000 more in budget. Why the ICU should thank me this is my job as Development Officer .
*snip*

You asked for people to say well done but you also say they shouldn't.

If the budget has increased it hasn't saved the ICU any money.

Chess_Coach wrote: »

But you have mentioned my name before .

You've mentioned your name plenty of times. That was a basic search...

Ficheall

I'm pretty sure users are allowed to identify themselves - just not others.

It's good to hear that more funding will now presumably become available, instead of funding for tournaments being withdrawn.

Chess_Coach

The ICU will always support tournaments as usual . Let me to inform you that ICU executive supported Kilkenny Congress with 300 e as well despite tournament organizers did not apply for support before tournament but after . What I personally think is that we should support all tournaments . So let me to explain
1. ICU advertise the tournament on ICU webiste calendar
2. Reminder on ICU website main page
3. ICU rate tournament
4. The player database used by tournament organizer
5. Support to lets say as example Bunratty was around 500 e in the past

So the ICU only ask Organizers to make sure that all players have to be registered with ICU
This actually is condition written on tournament flyers as you all are aware .

But Organizers failed to do this in years now . Would FIDE rate any tournament if fee of 1 euro per game were not paid to them ? Of course not . So what ICU could do is to charge that fee to rate games ? Of course not .

At the last meeting we had discussion and we are now talking to Organizers so this will be sorted very soon .
It is only fair that all players playing tournaments supported by ICU become members of the ICU . Simple and fair solution .

The BUnratty Chess Congress did not apply for grant this year . It was not ICU decision not to support the congress .

brilliantboy

Chess_Coach wrote: »

The ICU will always support tournaments as usual . Let me to inform you that ICU executive supported Kilkenny Congress with 300 e as well despite tournament organizers did not apply for support before tournament but after . What I personally think is that we should support all tournaments . So let me to explain
1. ICU advertise the tournament on ICU webiste calendar
2. Reminder on ICU website main page
3. ICU rate tournament
4. The player database used by tournament organizer
5. Support to lets say as example Bunratty was around 500 e in the past

So the ICU only ask Organizers to make sure that all players have to be registered with ICU
This actually is condition written on tournament flyers as you all are aware .

But Organizers failed to do this in years now . Would FIDE rate any tournament if fee of 1 euro per game were not paid to them ? Of course not . So what ICU could do is to charge that fee to rate games ? Of course not .

At the last meeting we had discussion and we are now talking to Organizers so this will be sorted very soon .
It is only fair that all players playing tournaments supported by ICU become members of the ICU . Simple and fair solution .

The BUnratty Chess Congress did not apply for grant this year . It was not ICU decision not to support the congress .

Well one would hope that the ICU would choose to support tournaments for the good of Irish chess, and not because they want to get something in return

cdeb

Chess_Coach wrote: »

3. ICU rate tournament

When will Cork be rated, I wonder?

Not a word on that or the ICU website since it was unceremoniously taken down.

(I know this isn't specifically your area, but seeing as you bring it up...)

I also see that some league teams still have points docked for unregistered players, but the online payment option has been removed. Either it was working perfectly ok (in which case, why remove it?) or it wasn't (in which case, where have my fees gone?)

reunion

Chess_Coach wrote: »

The ICU will always support tournaments as usual . Let me to inform you that ICU executive supported Kilkenny Congress with 300 e as well despite tournament organizers did not apply for support before tournament but after . What I personally think is that we should support all tournaments . So let me to explain
1. ICU advertise the tournament on ICU webiste calendar
2. Reminder on ICU website main page
3. ICU rate tournament
4. The player database used by tournament organizer
5. Support to lets say as example Bunratty was around 500 e in the past

I think there is confusion here, the calendar and reminder aren't essential (I heard about tournaments at tournaments and my first tournament was flyers handed out at my school/local non-ICU rated Saturday game) but the ICU do it because more tournaments = more members = more money. An example of this would be this tournament. The tournament doesn't have to be ICU rated for the ICU to advertise it (as it has done with MANY tournament in the past and should continue to do so in the future).

4 is beneficial but the FIDE list could be used for free so it's more of a convenience the ICU provide it for free.

Number 3 is the only benefit and bargaining chip the ICU has but many players don't care about their rating. Most want to play a few games of chess (there are a few that care about rating only).

Chess_Coach wrote: »

So the ICU only ask Organizers to make sure that all players have to be registered with ICU
This actually is condition written on tournament flyers as you all are aware .

This is a condition on SOME flyers. Not all (See tournament above or any junior tournament).

Chess_Coach wrote: »

But Organizers failed to do this in years now . Would FIDE rate any tournament if fee of 1 euro per game were not paid to them ? Of course not . So what ICU could do is to charge that fee to rate games ? Of course not .

Actually the ICU ensured registration when Daniel Lynch (and before) was membership officer and they went to tournaments. The ICU then got dead weight which had to be removed. Since it hasn't really had someone go to tournaments to attract or ensure membership.

I think you should also stop confusing 2 separate issues; an ICU rated event and a FIDE rated event.

ICU rated only: Free for non-rated players and for players of different national federations. A charge of €1 for rated ICU members per game who haven't paid their fees (including byes or walkovers) would then apply. So tournaments could advertise a price of €40 for entry with a discount (say €35) for unrated players or for current ICU members. The discount would only apply if the person opened an account with the ICU. The ICU builds up a database of phone numbers and email address and emails people about tournaments.

I still don't know why we don't have an email list.

FIDE rated (and ICU rated): All non-icu members are charged €1.50 per non-icu player per game (50 cent for FIDE rating fees) if they wish for it to be FIDE rated.

This way, Junior events (see tournament above) could be captured too

Chess_Coach wrote: »

At the last meeting we had discussion and we are now talking to Organizers so this will be sorted very soon .
It is only fair that all players playing tournaments supported by ICU become members of the ICU . Simple and fair solution .

Currently the ICU support is no strings attached. The funding should stipulate rules attached to the money so tournament organisers can make a choice.

Chess_Coach wrote: »

The BUnratty Chess Congress did not apply for grant this year . It was not ICU decision not to support the congress .

So Bunratty could ask for money after the event, just like Kilkenny? Also this seems extremely poor judgement by the ICU executive to try to squeeze money from a congress not asking for financial support.

brilliantboy wrote: »

Well one would hope that the ICU would choose to support tournaments for the good of Irish chess, and not because they want to get something in return

Actually I would be in favour of stipulations for tournaments receiving grant money. But the ICU also needs rules for ratings tournaments (of which currently there is none (Except it must be submitted in a proper format)).

Honestly, the ICU needs a page on the website about how to apply for funding and rules to get the money. Currently there is none.















Wasn't the whole point of the Bunratty policy because the ICU needed money for the Glorney? Now this extra €5,000 means the ICU doesn't.

brilliantboy

reunion wrote: »

Wasn't the whole point of the Bunratty policy because the ICU needed money for the Glorney? Now this extra €5,000 means the ICU doesn't.

For real? You're saying the ICU almost sabotaged one of the main events in the Irish chess calendar, a vastly popular tournament open to all players of all ages and abilities, just so they could scrape together some extra cash to stage an event exclusive to a handful of the highest rated junior players? They would never, would they? :rolleyes:

Danville

"Let me to inform you that ICU executive supported Kilkenny Congress with 300 e as well despite tournament organizers did not apply for support before tournament but after ."


Let me inform YOU that Kilkenny declined €200 from ICU as:

There were too many strings attached.
The ICU made such a big song and dance about it.
€200 in the context of an event with a budget of €10,000 is simply chickenfeed.

BTW The application was made the week following the event.For some strange reason the Kilkenny organisers were too busy to apply for this magnificent sum before the tournament. (It would have meant jam on the toast of the G'M.s!).

It took ICU two months to approve the reduced figure of €200 following votes at TWO meetings at which the development officer voted against them getting anything!

All ICU financial problems are shortly to be sorted when the 3,000 students of a well known coach join the ICU.
3,000 X €20 = €60,000, less those that have joined already, call it €59,980.

Chess_Coach

My work in Kilkenny is well documented.

Several Irish Junior Champions , 2 British Junior champions ,2 FM and WCM , etc etc .

When I left club Kilkenny had 4 teams . Now Kilkenny have one team - 4 players from Dublin and 4 from Kilkenny .

Not one junior over 1200 rating might be wrong .

Have a look at Enniscorthy .
As I do not know who is writing this but I can guess all I can say is KEEP THE GOOD WORK LOL

And let me to correct you here Development Officer was abstain

reunion

Danville wrote: »

Let me inform YOU that Kilkenny declined €200 from ICU as:

There were too many strings attached.
The ICU made such a big song and dance about it.
€200 in the context of an event with a budget of €10,000 is simply chickenfeed.

What strings were they? I'm sure you turned away 5 players because their entries amounted to chickenfeed?

€200 is €200, if you are going to reject it, don't apply. Galway always say they run at a loss/break even, seems like they deserve your 200 as well.

This is putting me off ever playing Kilkenny again. *snip*

Chess_Coach wrote: »

Have a look at Enniscorthy .
As I do not know who is writing this but I can guess all I can say is KEEP THE GOOD WORK LOL

And let me to correct you here Development Officer was abstain

As the development officer, it is quite unprofessional to be attempting to mock anyone looking to develop chess in Ireland.

The minutes, when are they going to be released? This lack of transparency is a joke. When the next executive release the minutes (this executive seem like they won't), this will confirm or deny this.

Chess_Coach

We are still waiting for minutes by our ex Secretary and then we will publish our minutes. It looks like our ex Secretary Kevin is busy but we will wait. I did not mock anyone just replied on the post related to vote and this is 100% true. You reunion should know that I am not the one telling lies. At least you should know that. Sorry to hear that Kilkenny CC declined 200 e I did not know that

L1m1tless

no need to comment on a thread about mod actions, this can get you banned. If you have a problem with a post use the report function and let us handle it, thanks.

Chess_Coach

Am I the only one who is not moderator here ?

reunion

Chess_Coach wrote: »

Am I the only one who is not moderator here ?

You aren't. Bold usernames indicates a moderator, non bold indicates normal members. This is entirely off topic.


I feel this thread has now run it's course and is now being closed. Any further discussion about this should be made in a new thread about the Glorney event itself.