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Irish archaeologists campaign for a living wage

  • 31-03-2015 1:34pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 135 ✭✭


    An important development in the profession, particularly the commercial sector.

    Over the last year archaeologists, mainly within the commercial sector, have been organisisng themselves and joined the union UNITE to seek better pay and conditions. The campaign has been gaining support and momentum with members recently voting not to accept jobs below the living wage of €11.45 an hour.

    Now UNITE are campaigning for a Registered Employment Agreement for Archaeologists in the commercial sector in Ireland. This would mean that the current grades of fieldworkers and an agreed set of rates would be enforceable in law.

    See the piece in The Journal

    http://www.thejournal.ie/archaeology-low-pay-crisis-2021433-Mar2015/?fb_ref=Default

    and more information on the UNITE archaeology website

    http://unitearch.wix.com/unitearchaeology


Comments

  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,223 Mod ✭✭✭✭slowburner


    Any more developments on this?
    What is the current position with firms agreeing not to pay below a set amount?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 135 ✭✭mocmo


    The campaign is going very well and gathering momentum. So far 22 archaeological companies have signed up and agreed not to pay below the living wage. While most of them are small enough outfits there are a good few recognizable names along with one or two glaring absences! With regard to companies who haven't signed up to it, members of UNITE have voted to refuse to work for less.

    Recently some members working on site for less than the living wage and with sub-standard on-site facilities, contacted UNITE who within a week negotiated them a pay rise and significant improvement in conditions. This is really working.

    This Saturday (25th) members of UNITE are holding a demonstration outside the gates of the NMI in Dublin to highlight the campaign, everyone is encouraged and welcome to come along and support or find out what it's all about. Their webpage is here http://unitearch.wix.com/unitearchaeology


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,129 ✭✭✭Arsemageddon


    mocmo wrote: »
    So far 22 archaeological companies have signed up and agreed not to pay below the living wage. While most of them are small enough outfits there are a good few recognizable names along with one or two glaring absences!

    I'd say I could guess who they are.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,223 Mod ✭✭✭✭slowburner


    Just in case anyone is unaware of the campaign and hasn't liked the page.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,934 ✭✭✭robp


    mocmo wrote: »
    The campaign is going very well and gathering momentum. So far 22 archaeological companies have signed up and agreed not to pay below the living wage. While most of them are small enough outfits there are a good few recognizable names along with one or two glaring absences! With regard to companies who haven't signed up to it, members of UNITE have voted to refuse to work for less.

    Recently some members working on site for less than the living wage and with sub-standard on-site facilities, contacted UNITE who within a week negotiated them a pay rise and significant improvement in conditions. This is really working.

    This Saturday (25th) members of UNITE are holding a demonstration outside the gates of the NMI in Dublin to highlight the campaign, everyone is encouraged and welcome to come along and support or find out what it's all about. Their webpage is here http://unitearch.wix.com/unitearchaeology

    I was very pessimistic about this campaign early on so it is really wonderful to hear that it is bearing some fruit.


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,223 Mod ✭✭✭✭slowburner


    So far, 28 companies have agreed not to pay below a minimum wage of €11.45 per hour.

    • Aegis Archaeology
    • Aileach Archaeology
    • Archaeological Consultancies Services Unit
    • Archaeological Projects Ltd
    • Archaeological Service Providers
    • Archaeology and Built Heritage
    • Archaeology Plan
    • Atlantic Archaeology
    • Byrne Mullins & Associates
    • Courtney Deery Heritage Consultancy
    • Cultural Resource Development Services & Irish Archaeology Field School
    • Daniel Noonan Earthsound
    • Archaeological Geophysics
    • Gregory Archaeology
    • John Purcell Archaeological Consultancy
    • Judith Carroll & Co Ltd
    • Kilkenny Archaeology
    • Lane Purcell Archaeology
    • Laurence Dunne Archaeology
    • Mary Henry Archaeological Services Ltd
    • Moore Group
    • Munster Archaeology
    • Research & Dig Heritage Consultancy
    • Rubicon Heritage Services
    • School of Irish Archaeology
    • Stafford McLoughlin Archaeology
    • TVAS Ireland
    • Wolfhound Archaeology












  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,246 ✭✭✭✭Riamfada


    Its been a while since I was involved in the commercial sector but wont this push up their costs and they may lose out to tenders against others not featured on that list ?


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,223 Mod ✭✭✭✭slowburner


    Riamfada wrote: »
    Its been a while since I was involved in the commercial sector but wont this push up their costs and they may lose out to tenders against others not featured on that list ?
    Sure there is that possibility, but is there any other way of ensuring a half decent wage in the sector? What should we do - nothing in fear of a select few employers who won't sign up to a humane pay scale? Bemoan the chronic pay rates and just accept it?
    UNITE is a grassroots campaign and the level of support from the top is so far much better than expected, with some notable exceptions (that's another day's work).
    The target wage is not at all unreasonable and is in line with SIPTU's own call for a national minimum wage of €11.45 (currently €8.65 per hour for an experienced adult worker). The national minimum wage has not risen since 2007.
    Personally, I think that a target wage of €11.45 per hour (€458 per week before deductions) for specialised, experienced and educated workers is still too low...but you have to start somewhere.

    In a private discussion with a UNITE member, the following points were made:
    1. We have seen recently that there is a margin within tenders already that allows payment of that rate. The consultancies are taking that cut off the backs of their employees.
    2. Companies not on the list have made a point in recent weeks that they are paying above 11.45 an hour because we have set the agenda.
    3. While companies are very unlikely to do things which are against their commercial interests, they are also saying that paying poverty wages for qualified staff is absolutely unacceptable and anyone who does so is exploiting people.
    4. UNITE members will not work for less - if there is a site paying less we will bring maximum pressure to bear on the employer.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3 Rahq Doljana


    When we're told that these companies have committed to paying a minimum of €11.45 p/h, does this mean they they are now currently paying their staff at least this much, or that they will pay this rate when/if...(insert multiple cop-out caveats)?

    If it's the latter, it's awfully reminiscent of the 1990's and the recommended pay rates agreed by IAPA members - a substantial number of who were company owners - which no employer then ever paid.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,223 Mod ✭✭✭✭slowburner


    When we're told that these companies have committed to paying a minimum of €11.45 p/h, does this mean they they are now currently paying their staff at least this much, or that they will pay this rate when/if...(insert multiple cop-out caveats)?

    If it's the latter, it's awfully reminiscent of the 1990's and the recommended pay rates agreed by IAPA members - a substantial number of who were company owners - which no employer then ever paid.

    Yes. Companies in the list above are currently paying the minimum rate and some are currently paying more.


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,223 Mod ✭✭✭✭slowburner


    The following statement was sent to UNITE on behalf of UCD School of Archaeology.
    UCD School of Archaeology provides a range of undergraduate, taught graduate and research programmes, as part of its mission to be a centre of excellence in archaeological research and education in Ireland and internationally. The School recognizes that modern archaeological practice requires qualified, knowledgeable, skilled and experienced professional staff to investigate the past and to communicate archaeological knowledge in the present. A major part of modern archaeological practice is the commercial archaeological sector, which is the main source of employment for qualified archaeologists in Ireland today. UCD School of Archaeology supports the Unite Archaeological Branch – and indeed all our professional archaeological colleagues – in their recent efforts to ensure that all archaeologists receive pay and conditions commensurate with their qualifications and level of experience, and recognizes that this can best be achieved through a process of consultation and negotiation with employers.
    UCD School of Archaeology supports all efforts by the Irish archaeological profession to ensure that archaeologists have the best possible employment conditions, as befits a highly-skilled and valuable professional discipline, so that Ireland’s archaeological and cultural heritage is managed, protected and investigated to the highest international standards.
    Yours sincerely,
    Prof Gabriel Cooney
    Professor of Celtic Archaeology,
    Head of School, UCD School of Archaeology


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,223 Mod ✭✭✭✭slowburner


    Thirty one companies are now committed to paying a minimum wage of €11.45 per hour.

    • Aegis Archaeology
    • Aileach Archaeology
    • Aisling Collins Archaeological Services
    • Archaeological Consultancies Services Unit
    • Archaeological Projects Ltd
    • Archaeological Service Providers
    • Archaeology and Built Heritage
    • Archaeology Plan
    • Atlantic Archaeology
    • Byrne Mullins & Associates
    • Courtney Deery Heritage Consultancy
    • Cultural Resource Development Services & Irish Archaeology Field School
    • Daniel Noonan
    • Earthsound Archaeological Geophysics
    • Gregory Archaeology
    • John Cronin & Associates Cultural Resource Management
    • John Purcell Archaeological Consultancy
    • Judith Carroll & Co Ltd
    • Kilkenny Archaeology
    • Lane Purcell Archaeology
    • Laurence Dunne Archaeology
    • Mary Henry Archaeological Services Ltd
    • Moore Group
    • Munster Archaeology
    • Research & Dig Heritage Consultancy
    • Rubicon Heritage Services
    • School of Irish Archaeology
    • Stafford McLoughlin Archaeology
    • Tobar Archaeological Services
    • TVAS Ireland
    • Wolfhound Archaeology


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 137 ✭✭Marchandire


    Maybe a bit off topic, but there were less than 300 working field archaeologists in the country two years ago. How is it that more than thirty companies were still operating?

    To go back on topic, I have to wonder if these agreements will hold when the economy starts booming again. It was during the Celtic Tiger times that the quality of wages and conditions dropped off a cliff in the first place. When the students and GOs start flooding back into the industry, will these companies not go back to the cheap, temporary labour model?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,934 ✭✭✭robp


    What is the exact agreement? Does it apply to site assistants only?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,129 ✭✭✭Arsemageddon


    Maybe a bit off topic, but there were less than 300 working field archaeologists in the country two years ago. How is it that more than thirty companies were still operating?

    Most of them are self-employed people that set up for themselves after many of the big companies laid off staff or went belly up during the recession.
    To go back on topic, I have to wonder if these agreements will hold when the economy starts booming again. It was during the Celtic Tiger times that the quality of wages and conditions dropped off a cliff in the first place. When the students and GOs start flooding back into the industry, will these companies not go back to the cheap, temporary labour model?

    Registered Employment Agreements were struck down by the Supreme Court as being unconstitutional in 2013. New collective bargaining legislation is on the way to replace this. Depending on how this legislation is framed minimum pay levels may become mandatory across an entire sector.

    By the by I'd have to say that conditions (equipment, site facilities, etc) improved enormously during the boomiest part of the boom compared to what they were in the late 90s and early 2000s.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,116 ✭✭✭RDM_83 again


    slowburner wrote: »
    Thirty one companies are now committed to paying a minimum wage of €11.45 per hour.

    • Aegis Archaeology
    • Aileach Archaeology
    • Aisling Collins Archaeological Services
    • Archaeological Consultancies Services Unit
    • Archaeological Projects Ltd
    • Archaeological Service Providers
    • Archaeology and Built Heritage
    • Archaeology Plan
    • Atlantic Archaeology
    • Byrne Mullins & Associates
    • Courtney Deery Heritage Consultancy
    • Cultural Resource Development Services & Irish Archaeology Field School
    • Daniel Noonan
    • Earthsound Archaeological Geophysics
    • Gregory Archaeology
    • John Cronin & Associates Cultural Resource Management
    • John Purcell Archaeological Consultancy
    • Judith Carroll & Co Ltd
    • Kilkenny Archaeology
    • Lane Purcell Archaeology
    • Laurence Dunne Archaeology
    • Mary Henry Archaeological Services Ltd
    • Moore Group
    • Munster Archaeology
    • Research & Dig Heritage Consultancy
    • Rubicon Heritage Services
    • School of Irish Archaeology
    • Stafford McLoughlin Archaeology
    • Tobar Archaeological Services
    • TVAS Ireland
    • Wolfhound Archaeology

    Good to see Rubicon and TVAS on that list hopefully the other big company will also agree to the new terms soon, though there is a few small traders missing from the list in my experience they pay better than larger companies anyway (work for two last year and both paid aprox 450 anyway)


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