Canada cheap cars and VRT CO2 emissions

share_bear

Hi,

The new mustang is likely to be very expensive here - nearly three times its selling price in US where it is actually a cheap blue collar car.

On the secondhand market in Ireland when it ages a few years, it will also be inflated as all cars are here, especially in convertible form.

Meanwhile, in Canada (because the Canadian dollar is much weaker than USD and Euro), by 2019 a 2015 model year mustang convertible with the "pansy" 2.3 liter ecoboost is likely to be very cheap in Euros cos its so common and people really only rate the V8s. Could probably land low mileage LHD one in Dublin, shipping, vat and duty paid (but not vrt) for just 7k. [ www.autotrader.ca ] Likely Irish market cars would be asking north of 25k by then.

So the only issue is - will the VRT boys accept a printout from the likes of the SEAI website for the euro ford mustang 2.3 ecoboost (179 g/km CO2) for a 2.3 ecoboost imported from Canada?

The urban testing cycles in US are harsher, so US window sticker gives a value one band higher - need to avoid that. Not comparing apples with apples...

ironclaw

Pretty sure all the calculations are done off the manufacturers specs. I know this had led to issues before with some cars being imported. It may also be LHD, so you'll be loaded on the insurance end (Not a great deal but would be off putting to some buyers) CAn you even get a RHD in Canada?

If it was me, and I was viewing it as an investment, I'd bring in two very high spec units. Flog the second and have one for free. That said, the Mustang is being sold 'officially' in the European market now and as such, the past pricing index may not stand in the future. They could almost draw level negating any saving.

Interesting to see though!

share_bear

ironclaw wrote: »

Pretty sure all the calculations are done off the manufacturers specs. I know this had led to issues before with some cars being imported. It may also be LHD, so you'll be loaded on the insurance end (Not a great deal but would be off putting to some buyers) CAn you even get a RHD in Canada?

If it was me, and I was viewing it as an investment, I'd bring in two very high spec units. Flog the second and have one for free. That said, the Mustang is being sold 'officially' in the European market now and as such, the past pricing index may not stand in the future. They could almost draw level negating any saving.

Interesting to see though!

A small loading to take advantage of a large price difference would be acceptable to me, but not looking to sell on.

It seems like it is up to the person to present evidence of Co2 emissions - they won't go chasing data that they don't have, I suspect.

So wondering if anyone has experience with a non-EU model of presenting the print-off from the SEAI website for the EU equivalent model and having it accepted without fuss?

bazz26

I remember a thread on here recently where someone imported a US spec Ford Fiesta Ecoboost and had a nightmare time trying to get it registered here. Revenue wanted an official Co2 rating from the manufacturer. Ford Ireland/Europe didn't want to know as that car and specification was never sold in the EU and the OP had lots of agro trying to get information for Ford America too, not sure how it panned out in the end for the OP.

mickdw

Co2 rating taken off cars paperwork or max rate I would think.

share_bear

bazz26 wrote: »

I remember a thread on here recently where someone imported a US spec Ford Fiesta Ecoboost and had a nightmare time trying to get it registered here. Revenue wanted an official Co2 rating from the manufacturer. Ford Ireland/Europe didn't want to know as that car and specification was never sold in the EU and the OP had lots of agro trying to get information for Ford America too, not sure how it panned out in the end for the OP.

I'd be fierce interested in seeing that thread but I can't seem to find it on search...could you post a link please? Thx

share_bear

mickdw wrote: »

Co2 rating taken off cars paperwork or max rate I would think.

The cars paperwork won't give that info from canada (just as is the case from japan), so you have to present the info from somewhere else.

Just spotted something very interesting.

fueleconomy.gov is "the official government source of fuel economy data" and also gives the Co2 emissions for the car. Except that on the "environment" tab it reports the CO2 not only for the car, but for the car as driven by you - based on info that you enter about yourself on a different tab, such as proportion of city versus highway driving you do.

So you can produce an official print out for you car with a lower c02 figure - and its not clear that the Co2 data is adjusted - just the barelles of oil graph. For example:

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?action=sbs&id=35861&#tab2

bazz26

share_bear wrote: »

I'd be fierce interested in seeing that thread but I can't seem to find it on search...could you post a link please? Thx

Here it is but there seems to be no conclusion on thread anyway:

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057251762