Inquiry into Foxrock's December run at Punchestown

convert

A big headline on the Irish Times homepage:

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/racing/turf-club-to-reopen-foxrock-enquiry-after-new-video-emerges-1.2144117

bellybuster12

convert wrote: »

A big headline on the Irish Times homepage:

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/racing/turf-club-to-reopen-foxrock-enquiry-after-new-video-emerges-1.2144117

This warms my heart on a few levels!

Shemale

Doubt much will happen, hope to see more of it and books being thrown at offenders no matter who they are.

handsfree2

Shemale wrote: »

Doubt much will happen, hope to see more of it and books being thrown at offenders no matter who they are.

I'm not sure about that, there's evidence that he removed a shoe after the race.

nuckeythompson

handsfree2 wrote:

I'm not sure about that, there's evidence that he removed a shoe after the race.

My understanding is that there is evidence of him removing shoes pre race, then the handbrake job by the jockey

Andalucia

looks like Ted will have some explaining to do, would love to know how this footage has only appeared now

nuckeythompson

Appeared a while ago, seems it was handed over and they had no choice but to investigate

Hulk Hands

Seems a bit strange to have the handbrake on here. Is this race not worth more than the one he won subsequently? And Barry Connell told everyone at a racing evening in November that this was the plan for Foxrock for ages. Obviously Ted is partial to playing the handicapping game, just not sure why they'd do it here. Irish national in mind possibly but I doubt it

Gregk961

Hulk Hands wrote: »

Seems a bit strange to have the handbrake on here. Is this race not worth more than the one he won subsequently? And Barry Connell told everyone at a racing evening in November that this was the plan for Foxrock for ages. Obviously Ted is partial to playing the handicapping game, just not sure why they'd do it here. Irish national in mind possibly but I doubt it

Don't take this as a dig but why would you even reply to this thread without looking at the race? It was blatant.

The target was actually the paddypower chase around Stephens da, which carries a juicy prize. That day he was beaten, thankfully, into second place by a Tony Martin horse. He was subsequently raised a few pounds and then went on to win another valuable prize in January.

I dont know why Barry Connell would say that race was the target, a micky mouse handicap worth a few thousand? Either he didn't know or he lied, but he certainly was incorrect.

Hulk Hands

Ah right fair enough I seen the title and it said December run, I presumed it meant the Paddy Power. Obviously that was Leopardstown. Sorry, slow and very hungover day

Gavin "shels"

Wonder if anything did come from it would the Bookies pay out, had a chunk on Foxrock that day!

Shemale

I have a feeling they wouldnt Gav...

Francie Barrett

Amazing that people try to defend Ted Walsh (and his son in the other thread). The turf club must be utterly embarrassed that this footage has come to light. Shame on them though, they've been ignoring these rogue's in Irish racing for far too long.

barney4001

Francie Barrett wrote: »

Amazing that people try to defend Ted Walsh (and his son in the other thread). The turf club must be utterly embarrassed that this footage has come to light. Shame on them though, they've been ignoring these rogue's in Irish racing for far too long.

i wonder how Ted will talk his way out of this one

coopdog85

barney4001 wrote: »

i wonder how Ted will talk his way out of this one

I'm sure he'll think of something, mod edit: <snip>

mick malones mauser

barney4001 wrote: »

i wonder how Ted will talk his way out of this one

Maybe he will just tell them to F**k off

he is good at that

Allegedly

Will we ever have J P up before the stewards I wonder

coopdog85

mick malones mauser wrote: »

Maybe he will just tell them to F**k off

he is good at that

Allegedly

Will we ever have J P up before the stewards I wonder

Why would an owner be up before the stewards?

handsfree2

Francie Barrett wrote: »

Amazing that people try to defend Ted Walsh (and his son in the other thread). The turf club must be utterly embarrassed that this footage has come to light. Shame on them though, they've been ignoring these rogue's in Irish racing for far too long.

One is a defence against a lazy conclusion the other is condemnation of an ethically questionable act.

Shemale

No doubt he will try blame the vet / farrier as blaming Heskin didnt work last time.

Jon Stark

Francie Barrett wrote: »

Amazing that people try to defend Ted Walsh (and his son in the other thread). The turf club must be utterly embarrassed that this footage has come to light. Shame on them though, they've been ignoring these rogue's in Irish racing for far too long.

I can't say too much but I think The Turf Club will agree that they've been too soft for too long. They have made a more conscious effort lately to change that though, you have to respect them for that.

Andalucia

it appears that the official racecourse farrier for Punchestown also works privately for Ted Walsh

the same farrier was also on duty at the Curragh for the 1000 Guineas with the incident of Luca Cumani and the wrong shoes - race was delayed for 20 minutes , with Ted in his role of pundit critical of how it was handled

above info from Phoenix mag, bye bye Ted

Panrich

Andalucia wrote: »

it appears that the official racecourse farrier for Punchestown also works privately for Ted Walsh

the same farrier was also on duty at the Curragh for the 1000 Guineas with the incident of Luca Cumani and the wrong shoes - race was delayed for 20 minutes , with Ted in his role of pundit critical of how it was handled

above info from Phoenix mag, bye bye Ted

I see the Punchestown potential conflict but I can't see how the Curragh debacle is relevant especially if TW was being critical.

Lt J.R. Bell

Andalucia wrote: »

it appears that the official racecourse farrier for Punchestown also works privately for Ted Walsh

the same farrier was also on duty at the Curragh for the 1000 Guineas with the incident of Luca Cumani and the wrong shoes - race was delayed for 20 minutes , with Ted in his role of pundit critical of how it was handled

above info from Phoenix mag, bye bye Ted

I remember that incident, but Luca knew or should have known that the shoes for his horse were not allowed. He has a wealth of experience. What happened there? Was he told that the shoes were okay before hand? I recall that horse still ran well.

kfallon

Any news on this? Hearing was 10am this morn!

Francie Barrett

http://www.racingpost.com/news/live.sd?event_id=7727824&category=0

Pathetic.

CheltenhamJ

Was told recently that this would not end well for tmw , of the view now that things might be turning for him

CountyHurler

Do they usually make decisions on the day of the hearing?

When I heard about this I thought RTE should have suspended him immediately. He's there on his soap box giving out about people not coming to the racing... Well Ted, I'm not going to the Curragh to have you picking my pocket thank you very much....

Shemale

Francie Barrett wrote: »

http://www.racingpost.com/news/live.sd?event_id=7727824&category=0

Pathetic.

What was the result?

Lt J.R. Bell

So the hearibg took 9 hours? Ha.

Few would doubt that horse shoes can fall off, so why the need to call Aidan O'Brien and a few other witnesses when they won't be able to give evidence on what they saw . They didn't make contradictory statements

It's amazing that RTE and Channel 4 allowed him to continue working during Cheltenham and Aintree

nuckeythompson

Lt J.R. Bell wrote:

It's amazing that RTE and Channel 4 allowed him to continue working during Cheltenham and Aintree

Innocent till proven guilty

convert

ok, guys, just a reminder that until an outcome is reached, there should be no assumptions of guilt or otherwise.

krustydoyle

mod edit: <snip> Please do not make comments like that again. He has been cleared of wrongdoing, so comments like that cannot be entertained.

Ted Walsh has just been cleared of any wrongdoing whatsoever

Oscars Well.

See here.

Gregk961

Brilliant logic there, Teds clothes were without visable soils so he cant have taken the horse shoes off.. Well I've heard enough, case closed!

I assume this whole thing will not serve as a deterrent but just remind trainers to have an alibi prepared no matter how far fetched

Lt J.R. Bell

Gregk961 wrote: »

Brilliant logic there, Teds clothes were without visable soils so he cant have taken the horse shoes off.. Well I've heard enough, case closed!

I assume this whole thing will not serve as a deterrent but just remind trainers to have an alibi prepared no matter how far fetched

And , Lawyer up.

He had an impressive string of witnesses, many of whom were not within the vicinity of the horse ( assuming evidence was based on their experiences of horse shoes falling off etc )

Francie Barrett

So the horse managed to run 3 miles under testing conditions, do a round of the parade ring with all shoes intact, only for 2 shoes to fall off due to a bucket of water been thrown over them?

Shemale

Francie Barrett wrote: »

So the horse managed to run 3 miles under testing conditions, do a round of the parade ring with all shoes intact, only for 2 shoes to fall off due to a bucket of water been thrown over them?

The farrier should be banned from horse racing if a drop of water cost him to lose two shoes.

Unless I dreamt it wasn't the reason the horse ran so poorly because he "lost his two front shoes" during the race. Then they have a video with him in the unsaddling enclosure with the shoes on and then the water washed away the two shoes the horse obviously went back to find and put on himself.

Rancid, what have Mullins or O Brien got to do with this?

Ted you told us they fell off during the race, now he had them, you ordered him to be stopped and then his shoes fell off cause of a drop of water? I have heard enough, not guilty!!

Lt J.R. Bell

As usual, the jockey is made the scapegoat.

When he wins "ah , sure, I was only piloting / steering him, ah shure, (bob head) Mr X did a great job placing him for the rest, super fit "

Ah well , give thanks and praise, we will get to enjoy Ted's wit, humour, and insight on RTE for years to come. Can't wait to learn about who else changed Katie's nappy , or made dinner for young Ruby.

Two furlongs into a race, when nothing is really happening, "So , Ted, how do you think they are getting on"

"ah , yeah, they would be all happy with their place " (only for the back marker to be bouncing on his horse to get him moving , lol

Gregk961

"Rubys mount is running a bit keener than he'd like but id say he's happy enough to let him off/hold him up"

He uses that at least once a race, ive been fairly confident he hasnt even been watching the race a few times.

bit of a bogey

Would there have been the same response if it were it was a lower profiled trainer in question?.......

CountyHurler

Segment on Ted Walsh and Foxrock on Off The Ball tonight.. I'm sure it will be podcast pretty soon...

All talk of the jockey having the interest of the "welfare of the horse" foremost in his mind, after it supposedly took a stumble earlier in the race... It's a pretty grubby affair...

senorG

The full decsision is worth a read:

http://www.turfclub.ie/web/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=3759:foxrock-referral-decision&catid=45:referrals-a-appeals&Itemid=173

It doesn't look like the total whitewash I was expecting... Aiden O'Briens evidence was rejected in favour of the vets for instance.

Turf clubs case seemed v strong

Michael McDowell was defending.

Francie Barrett

senorG wrote: »

The full decsision is worth a read:

http://www.turfclub.ie/web/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=3759:foxrock-referral-decision&catid=45:referrals-a-appeals&Itemid=173

It doesn't look like the total whitewash I was expecting... Aiden O'Briens evidence was rejected in favour of the vets for instance.

Turf clubs case seemed v strong

Michael McDowell was defending.

That is just damning!

Read this bit.

The loss of two shoes otherwise than in running is sufficiently rare that it was entirely reasonable that Mr Smith would not have encountered an instance of this, even during a lengthy career. His evidence was that he had never come across a situation where two front shoes were lost between the times a horse left the parade ring and subsequent presentation for a veterinary examination.

Rotten, rotten, rotten!

coopdog85

"Ruby has his boy in a nice pozzy, plenty horse under him but they're all happy enough at this point".

Ted Walsh is an utter buffoon, I reckon during racing he's stuffing his fat face & the RTE boys just replay old sentences he has said down through the years. He adds absolutely nothing to the analysis on RTE which is fairly grim at the best of times.

Shemale

bit of a bogey wrote: »

Would there have been the same response if it were it was a lower profiled trainer in question?.......

A lower profiled trainer would have had the book thrown at him!!

krustydoyle

I see Heskin got a 6 day ban for this ride