Rotherham II: Asian pedo ring revealed in Birmingham

louiseber

Here we go again.

Almost 500 children in Birmingham and the West Midlands have been identified as victims of sexual exploitation in just six months, a bombshell new report has revealed.

And for the first time police and council officials have publicly admitted a ‘disproportionate number’ of Asian Pakistani men are involved in on-street grooming, as revealed by the Mail last year

Link: www [dot] birminghammail [dot] co [dot] uk/news/midlands-news/child-sexual-exploitation-bombshell-official-8862316

What can we do to prevent more children being raped? Is mass deportation the answer? If not, then what? I'm only asking a question.

Littlekittylou

If I ever have a kid I am getting him/her a body guard.

RedemptionZ

Sick stuff. But so many questions have to be raised over how this could ever be allowed to happen on anything close to this scale.

nelly17

RedemptionZ wrote: »

Sick stuff. But so many questions have to be raised over how this could ever be allowed to happen on anything close to this scale.

Because they dont want to open up the pandoras box of what was going on within the upper echelons of British society in the early 80s.

BBC Apparently firing staff involved in uncovering Saville activities

Elm Guest house

Oh, and This

BeerWolf

Seriously wished someone would go vigilante and shoot them ****ers... smug asswipes think their wealth puts them out of reach from the law, as well as the fact police are such PC pussies afraid of being called racists if they acted.

fedor.2.

I don't think people have the stomach for the real solution to this

louiseber

fedor.2. wrote: »

I don't think people have the stomach for the real solution to this

What do you suggest?

fedor.2.

In my opinion, if you rape a child or are part of these rings, in any section of society, you should be killed

Littlekittylou

fedor.2. wrote: »

In my opinion, if you rape a child or are part of these rings, in any section of society, you should be killed

Mistakes have been made though. My ONLY objection to this would be that an innocent person might be killed. Life imprisonment though. And life should MEAN life. You can release an innocent person if there is a miscarriage of justice.

louiseber

If the police are too cowardly to act, can vigilante justice be justified?

fedor.2.

Littlekittylou wrote: »

Mistakes have been made though. My ONLY objection to this would be that an innocent person might be killed. Life imprisonment though. And life should MEAN life. You can release an innocent person if there is a miscarriage of justice.

The biggest mistake, however, is letting monsters like these carry out their crimes with impunity. Makes me sick.

fedor.2.

louiseber wrote: »

If the police are too cowardly to act, can vigilante justice be justified?

If thats the situation, then it is justified

Potatoeman

I watched the c4 documentary on the first one. The really troubling thing is the attitude of the communities. They thought it was the parents fault for letting the girls wander the streets alone.

SEPT 23 1989

louiseber wrote: »

If the police are too cowardly to act, can vigilante justice be justified?

they are not cowards they are too afraid of the race card being played

marklazarcovic

Potatoeman wrote: »

I watched the c4 documentary on the first one. The really troubling thing is the attitude of the communities. They thought it was the parents fault for letting the girls wander the streets alone.

any links to that docu?

PARlance

Potatoeman wrote: »

I watched the c4 documentary on the first one. The really troubling thing is the attitude of the communities. They thought it was the parents fault for letting the girls wander the streets alone.

Is that attitude not mirrored over here though?
Having spotted a couple of missing child posts on my FB timeline over the past while, a large % of people would be coming in with "what were the parents doing letting him/her walk to school" comments.

porsche959

PARlance wrote: »

Is that attitude not mirrored over here though?
Having spotted a couple of missing child posts on my FB timeline over the past while, a large % of people would be coming in with "what were the parents doing letting him/her walk to school" comments.

Possibly, but there isn't the 'non-Muslim girls are decadent slags and are asking for it' that seems to be a feature of some of these cases in the UK.

Potatoeman

PARlance wrote: »

Is that attitude not mirrored over here though?
Having spotted a couple of missing child posts on my FB timeline over the past while, a large % of people would be coming in with "what were the parents doing letting him/her walk to school" comments.

They had no sympathy for the victims and they did not ostracise the perpetrators. The guys were still accepted in the community. They seemed to have zero respect for the English. It seemed like a recipy for disaster.

Pumpkinseeds

Potatoeman wrote: »

I watched the c4 documentary on the first one. The really troubling thing is the attitude of the communities. They thought it was the parents fault for letting the girls wander the streets alone.

It's only a part of a bigger extremely complex problem, but many of the kids being groomed come from families who really don't give a monkeys where their kids are or what they're doing or what's happening to them. Those kids are easy pickings because they come from sink estates with high levels of crime, anti-social behaviour and drug abuse and are often the kind of kids least likely to be believed if they report abuse. So yes, parenting is a part of the problem.

That being said I know that there were instances of parents desperately trying to get help to protect their kids and they weren't given that help. Child abuse in England has been covered up at every level for so long now it's ridiculous. But no, you can't label every male Pakistani as a child molestor and deport them. I think in the near future we will start to see the more senior offenders such as judges and politicians etc being named in investigations.

Potatoeman

marklazarcovic wrote: »

any links to that docu?

Its a few years ago. Im not sure its still there.

Potatoeman

Pumpkinseeds wrote: »

It's only a part of a bigger extremely complex problem, but many of the kids being groomed come from families who really don't give a monkeys where their kids are or what they're doing or what's happening to them. Those kids are easy pickings because they come from sink estates with high levels of crime, anti-social behaviour and drug abuse and are often the kind of kids least likely to be believed if they report abuse. So yes, parenting is a part of the problem.

That being said I know that there were instances of parents desperately trying to get help to protect their kids and they weren't given that help. Child abuse in England has been covered up at every level for so long now it's ridiculous. But no, you can't label every male Pakistani as a child molestor and deport them. I think in the near future we will start to see the more senior offenders such as judges and politicians etc being named in investigations.

Some of the families were pretty normal. Teenagers dont want to hang around the house. My point being the community tolerated it because it wasnt their kids.

the_monkey

RedemptionZ wrote: »

Sick stuff. But so many questions have to be raised over how this could ever be allowed to happen on anything close to this scale.

Because they are afraid that if they act it will be construed as "racism".

So they let it happen and the PC dopes living in LaLa land pretend it doesn't happen or at least not disproportionately.

end of the road

louiseber wrote: »

Here we go again.



Link: www [dot] birminghammail [dot] co [dot] uk/news/midlands-news/child-sexual-exploitation-bombshell-official-8862316

What can we do to prevent more children being raped? Is mass deportation the answer? If not, then what? I'm only asking a question.

well, what grounds are you going to cary out mass deportations on? being Asian and Pakistani wouldn't be reasons. those convicted will be deported most likely after their sentence. no doubt though that riff raff UKIP will use this though to try gain votes

iDave

The founder of Islam was a paedophile and is held up as a perfect example of how a man should be (BPUH). Its no surprise then they are disproportionately inclined to paedophilia. But as also suggested here racial sensitivities gives them a free pass.

end of the road

BeerWolf wrote: »

police are such PC pussies afraid of being called racists if they acted.

what tripe. nothing to do with this mythical pc. to do with simple self preservation is all.

end of the road

iDave wrote: »

they are disproportionately inclined to paedophilia.

"they" are? really? every one of them? you will have a source?

iDave wrote: »

racial sensitivities gives them a free pass.

no, self preservation does. if these people really cared about children rather then their jobs they would get on and investigate. clearly their job is more important.

end of the road

fedor.2. wrote: »

I don't think people have the stomach for the real solution to this

or, they have moved on from a failed punishment that doesn't work.

fedor.2. wrote: »

In my opinion, if you rape a child or are part of these rings, in any section of society, you should be killed

so you condone those crimes then? if you believe someone should be killed for a crime, you condone the crime and the crime of murder

end of the road

louiseber wrote: »

If the police are too cowardly to act, can vigilante justice be justified?

no . such "justice" isn't and is therefore invalid. the people who cary out as such are as much of a danger to society as the rapists and should such people take it upon themselves to try dish it out, they should be locked up indefinitely

Pumpkinseeds

Potatoeman wrote: »

Some of the families were pretty normal. Teenagers dont want to hang around the house. My point being the community tolerated it because it wasnt their kids.

That's a fairly broad statement to make. Without doubt, there will have been sections of the community that were aware of what was going on but most people wouldn't shrug off that kind of knowledge so lightly.

fedor.2.

end of the road wrote: »

no . such "justice" isn't and is therefore invalid. the people who cary out as such are as much of a danger to society as the rapists and should such people take it upon themselves to try dish it out, they should be locked up indefinitely

Oh hi, ive never seen you outside of your egyptian buddys thread. How are ya?

end of the road

the_monkey wrote: »

Because they are afraid that if they act it will be construed as "racism".

or, they use that as an excuse, and the real reason is they want an easy life and are more concerned about their job.

the_monkey wrote: »

So they let it happen and the PC dopes living in LaLa land pretend it doesn't happen or at least not disproportionately.

what "pc" dopes? who is pretending this isn't happening? pc is a myth that only exists in the minds of the gullible, the bigoted and the racist, as a buzz term to put into a rant to blame for all the ills of the world. when infact things happen because people make decisians or decide they and their priorities are more important then other things.

Potatoeman

Pumpkinseeds wrote: »

That's a fairly broad statement to make. Without doubt, there will have been sections of the community that were aware of what was going on but most people wouldn't shrug off that kind of knowledge so lightly.

In the c4 documentary they asked parents, religious and community leaders and that was the overwhelming response.

Harry Palmr

louiseber wrote: »

Here we go again.

What can we do to prevent more children being raped? Is mass deportation the answer? If not, then what? I'm only asking a question.

Look after your children would be a good start, "roaming" gangs who groom children can only do so if the children are estranged from their own family (even if they still sleep under the same roof).

The typical domestic environment of these kids must be pretty bad with regard to self respect and education. These gangs operate on the initial basis of favours for money/gifts after all.

Roger Hassenforder

fedor.2. wrote: »

Oh hi, ive never seen you outside of your egyptian buddys thread. How are ya?

Only EOTR, as we affectionately call him, could equate the rape of a child with vigilante justice where the state has failed.

nokia69

end of the road wrote: »

what "pc" dopes? who is pretending this isn't happening? pc is a myth that only exists in the minds of the gullible, the bigoted and the racist, as a buzz term to put into a rant to blame for all the ills of the world. when infact things happen because people make decisians or decide they and their priorities are more important then other things.

you deny that PC exists the same way a few years ago you would no doubt have denied that there is massive problem with pakistani rape gangs

totally delusional

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_correctness

theres a link so you can read all about it

the_monkey

end of the road wrote: »

or, they use that as an excuse, and the real reason is they want an easy life and are more concerned about their job.



what "pc" dopes? who is pretending this isn't happening? pc is a myth that only exists in the minds of the gullible, the bigoted and the racist, as a buzz term to put into a rant to blame for all the ills of the world. when infact things happen because people make decisians or decide they and their priorities are more important then other things.

So despite the fact that there is Statistical evidence for the disproportion of Pakistani men involved here, if we say this we are bigots ?

end of the road

nokia69 wrote: »

you deny that PC exists the same way a few years ago you would no doubt have denied that there is massive problem with pakistani rape gangs

totally delusional

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_correctness

theres a link so you can read all about it

i'm not delusianel at all. and no i wouldn't have denied that there is a problem with pakistani rape gangs nor would i deny it. i will say however that the origine of these people is irrelevant to me, as rapist vermin are rapist vermin

end of the road

the_monkey wrote: »

So despite the fact that there is Statistical evidence for the disproportion of Pakistani men involved here, if we say this we are bigots ?

not for simply saying it no . using it for an agenda against foreigners or those of a different skin colour should one do that, then yes.

One eyed Jack

end of the road wrote: »

not for simply saying it no . using it for an agenda against foreigners or those of a different skin colour should one do that, then yes.

It's not using anything for an agenda against foreigners or those of a different skin colour to acknowledge that this issue is clearly much more than simply skin deep. It's ingrained in their cultural and religious heritage and is an epidemic in their community that needs to be tackled as they have shown no will to tackle it themselves.

You appear to be defending the indefensible here really and missing the actual victims.

end of the road

One eyed Jack wrote: »

It's not using anything for an agenda against foreigners or those of a different skin colour to acknowledge that this issue is clearly much more than simply skin deep. It's ingrained in their cultural and religious heritage and is an epidemic in their community that needs to be tackled as they have shown no will to tackle it themselves.

You appear to be defending the indefensible here really and missing the actual victims.

i'm not defending anything or missing anything. you know as well as i do there will be some who are just out to use this as part of their anti-immigration agenda and nothing more. yes there is a problem so get on with dealing with it

Nodin

One eyed Jack wrote: »

It's not using anything for an agenda against foreigners or those of a different skin colour to acknowledge that this issue is clearly much more than simply skin deep. It's ingrained in their cultural and religious heritage and is an epidemic in their community that needs to be tackled as they have shown no will to tackle it themselves.

You appear to be defending the indefensible here really and missing the actual victims.

Odd that never came out with regards music teachers, swimming coaches, priests and so on........

Ava_e

What where they all followers of, and what made them so untouchable?
They were followers of Islam. That's what.

It is true, that that founder of Islam married a six year old child. That is a child abuser in anyone's language.

That Koran calls people who dont belive in their religion infidels, who should die for not thinking like they do, is even more disturbing.

Beheadings, rape and murder of 6 year kids by IS, is all is a day's work for these lunatics.

One eyed Jack

Nodin wrote: »

Odd that never came out with regards music teachers, swimming coaches, priests and so on........

Eh? It did?

I'm not sure whether you're being sarcastic here but haven't we seen numerous and continuing investigations into the issue of child abuse in Irish society and how the State turned a blind eye to the many crimes committed against children by members of the RCC and various religious orders?

I'm not sure about how prevalent the issue is among music teachers and swimming coaches but I don't think it's anything like a comparable scale with abuse that is carried out in a community that alienates itself and carries out these acts on both members of it's own community and young people outside their own community, yet authorities turn a blind eye for fear of repercussions upon themselves.

It's arse covering of the highest order, and ignoring the issues and downplaying them or suggesting that society should divert it's attention elsewhere is only going to have society take an even harder look at what the hell is enabling this abhorrence in what is supposed to be a civilised and inclusive society.

Expecting to be treated the same as everyone else in society means that the Asian community has a responsibility towards that society if they want their rights to be respected.

Tombi!

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