paint front of house

mickman

hi guys

have painted internally a few times but now i need the front of tge house done now

was hoping to do it myself

there is some moss on it and its a semi detached with no pebble

do i need to hire a cherry picker.
anything else i need to know

woukd it be cheaper to get a painter?

Sleeper12

It's usually done from a ladder. I can't stress enough how dangerous ladders are, even for those that use them every day. If you do it yourself get someone to hold the ladder for you.

mickman

Sleeper12 wrote: »

It's usually done from a ladder. I can't stress enough how dangerous ladders are, even for those that use them every day. If you do it yourself get someone to hold the ladder for you.

Yeah I don't like the thought of a ladder. Can't be easy to hold a tray / roller on a ladder

martinr5232

Just go up the ladder to cut in around the fascia and windows then use a roller with a long extension pole on it.

Supercell

martinr5232 wrote: »

Just go up the ladder to cut in around the fascia and windows then use a roller with a long extension pole on it.

Exactly, thats how I did mine, no need to be on the ladder all the time. I hung a small bucket off the ladder for the bits below the fascia so one hand was always on the ladder.

mickman

Good idea lads

Thanks

mickman

One last thing

What's best way to get moss off ? Old fashioned brush ?

cardwizzard

mickman wrote: »

One last thing

What's best way to get moss off ? Old fashioned brush ?

Wire brush is your friend here.

martinr5232

Depends how bad it is either wire brush or powerwasher is there any paint peeling if there is id advise priming it then two coats of paint.

mickman

martinr5232 wrote: »

Depends how bad it is either wire brush or powerwasher is there any paint peeling if there is id advise priming it then two coats of paint.

Yeah some paint has peeled

What is primer :-)

martinr5232

Primer or stabaliser is something you put on before you put on youre paint if you have flakey paint.
You will need to clean off as much flakey paint as you can before you paint either with a scraper or power washer if you dont it will only peel again in no time.

mickman

martinr5232 wrote: »

Primer or stabaliser is something you put on before you put on youre paint if you have flakey paint.
You will need to clean off as much flakey paint as you can before you paint either with a scraper or power washer if you dont it will only peel again in no time.

Ok thanks and is the primer White or the same colour as the finish ? Does it go on with a brush or roller ? And lastly do I need it on whole wall or just the bits that have flaked

macnug

Sorry for hijacking the thread micksman but have a question about painting outside too. On a semi-d, what's the best way of painting the border at the back of the house where you share a wall with your neighbour, run a line masking tape down maybe? Do you ned to paint the border under the gable side, its fairly high and I don't fancy having to climb that high, just wondering if you'd get away with just rolling up to it?

mickman

Ok . Had a proper look at the house and it's going to be very scary up there on a ladder

Any opinions on a cherry picker ? Would a one day rental suffice ? If I stared at 7 in morning for first coat on a good day could I get second coat done on same say so I wiyld only need the cherry picker for one day ?

Front wall goes up to a point like a gable wall so I don't want to do that bit with a ladder - the rest is fine for a ladder though

dobsdave

mickman wrote: »

Ok . Had a proper look at the house and it's going to be very scary up there on a ladder

Any opinions on a cherry picker ? Would a one day rental suffice ? If I stared at 7 in morning for first coat on a good day could I get second coat done on same say so I wiyld only need the cherry picker for one day ?

Front wall goes up to a point like a gable wall so I don't want to do that bit with a ladder - the rest is fine for a ladder though

Is there a cherry picker you are allowed operate without a licence?

mickman

dobsdave wrote: »

Is there a cherry picker you are allowed operate without a licence?

License ? I'm sure there is a small one you can for painting on your own property

Kevin McCloud

dobsdave wrote: »

Is there a cherry picker you are allowed operate without a licence?

You don't need a drivers licence no.

durtybit

Use a power washer on the walls first to get rid of any stuff, clean the fascia and guttering too. Terrible looking at a newly painted house with dirty guttering or fascia.

mickman

Kevin McCloud wrote: »

You don't need a drivers licence no.

So they are handy enough to operate ? Any idea of a rough daily cost ?

Kevin McCloud

mickman wrote: »

So they are handy enough to operate ? Any idea of a rough daily cost ?

They are, usually around €150 which is good value.

bonzodog2

Depending on accessibility and whether the ground next to the wall to be painted is solid, you could consider hiring a movable scaffold tower

mickman

bonzodog2 wrote: »

Depending on accessibility and whether the ground next to the wall to be painted is solid, you could consider hiring a movable scaffold tower

Cheaper than a cherry picker?

bonzodog2

mickman wrote: »

Cheaper than a cherry picker?

I have hired neither, but I would have thought so. Ask a hire company!

rolliepoley

Kwikstage scaffold, cheap, buy what you need, easy to erect and take down, it will be yours and no giving back so no rush job.

http://www.donedeal.ie/buildingmaterials-for-sale/kwikstage-scaffold-for-sale/8662183?offset=4

If your going climbing that ladder, i want no stretching and make sure and use a bucket hook.

mickman

does the ground have to be dead level for a scissors platform / boom ? This would be on paving in front of house and it has a very very gentle natural gentle slope - im presuming this should be ok ?

Kevin McCloud

mickman wrote: »

does the ground have to be dead level for a scissors platform / boom ? This would be on paving in front of house and it has a very very gentle natural gentle slope - im presuming this should be ok ?

They tip in a shot, level ground only. Hire the one on tracks that have adjustable stands.

mickman

Kevin McCloud wrote: »

They tip in a shot, level ground only. Hire the one on tracks that have adjustable stands.

you mean the ones that the stands can move forwards and up rather than just up so you can place it on level ground then ?

fussyonion

Load of stupid answers in this thread regarding painters and ladders.
A ladder won't go from under you from the ground; no painter worth his salt needs another fella to hold the ladder for him. As for holding a tray and being on a ladder; haven't painters been doing it for years?

Hiring a cherry picker is ridiculous unless your house is extremely high off the ground.
Get on a ladder and if you're too scared, hire a professional.

Kevin McCloud

There are work place accidents every year with falls from heights including ladders, 65 recorded in the construction industry in 2011. I don't have the break down on what are ladder related but its fair to say it would make up the majority.

DublinDilbert

fussyonion wrote: »

Load of stupid answers in this thread regarding painters and ladders.
A ladder won't go from under you from the ground; no painter worth his salt needs another fella to hold the ladder for him. As for holding a tray and being on a ladder; haven't painters been doing it for years?

Hiring a cherry picker is ridiculous unless your house is extremely high off the ground.
Get on a ladder and if you're too scared, hire a professional.

I know of two painters each with 30+ years experience who both had falls and decided it was time to retire. All these guys ever done was paint and had spent much of their time up ladders.

Normally professional painters will have much better ladders than your average DIYer and many have a base which will go under the ladder to make sure it won't slip and feet to go up against the wall, which will all make it much safer.

Last time I painted the house I done 80% of the work from the ground with a roller then just up on the ladder for high bits and cutting in.

Kevin McCloud

Its when one becomes complacent is when the accidents happen.

michael999999

If your this worried about using a ladder or heist, your better off just hiring a painter in to do the job.

A heist is between 150-200 a day to rent. And youll need sheets of ply for underneath so it doesnt damage your paving.

What happens if you have it hired for tomorrow and it pisses rain all day?

Is there access all around the house for the heist?

It'll probably be cheaper just to hire the pro!

Kevin McCloud

How does a professional painter plan ahead if he is intending to hire a cherry picker to paint the external of a house?

michael999999

Kevin McCloud wrote: »

How does a professional painter plan ahead if he is intending to hire a cherry picker to paint the external of a house?

A lot of them I know would have there own.

And wouldn't need one to do a semi detached anyway, a two piece ladder and you would have the gable cut in in ten mins.

Kevin McCloud

michael999999 wrote: »

A lot of them I know would have there own.

That is besides the point, bit of a politicians answer there. Surely a professional painter would use the weather forecast to decide whether to paint or not, similarly to what the op can do.

And wouldn't need one to do a semi detached anyway, a two piece ladder and you would have the gable cut in in ten mins.

That is if its fit to paint.

mickman

michael999999 wrote: »

A lot of them I know would have there own.

And wouldn't need one to do a semi detached anyway, a two piece ladder and you would have the gable cut in in ten mins.

gable is about 30 feet high on my house, plus part of the front of the house is also this high.

A good strong ladder that would get me up this high would cost a few hunderd euro and to be honest i wouldnt be happy up there at all so getting a guy to do it. 850 euro and job done for 10 years

thanks everyone

martinr5232

Thats a good decision if you dont feel comfortable going up those heights you are better off getting someone to do it that is.

michael999999

Kevin McCloud wrote: »

That is besides the point, bit of a politicians answer there. Surely a professional painter would use the weather forecast to decide whether to paint or not, similarly to what the op can do.




That is if its fit to paint.

But if its not raining in the morning, I'll hitch up the trailer with the heist and go paint the outside of the house!

If it's raining, the trailer and hoist stay in the garage and I'll go paint inside on another job.

If the OP has a heist hired, he's paying 200 a day whether it rains or not!

Kevin McCloud

michael999999 wrote: »

But if its not raining in the morning, I'll hitch up the trailer with the heist and go paint the outside of the house!

Not unusual in irish weather for it to be dry in the morning and be raining a couple of hours later. You must get cought out with the rain from time to time?

michael999999

Kevin McCloud wrote: »

Not unusual in irish weather for it to be dry in the morning and be raining a couple of hours later. You must get cought out with the rain from time to time?

Once ever had a wash off. But you wouldn't be attempting many outsides this time of year!

mickman

michael999999 wrote: »

Once ever had a wash off. But you wouldn't be attempting many outsides this time of year!

indeed and the forecast is fairly reliable for a day or two ahead

What kind of heist do you hire ?

michael999999

mickman wrote: »

indeed and the forecast is fairly reliable for a day or two ahead

What kind of heist do you hire ?

We have our own scissor lifts.

mickman

change of plan again :-)

I know , i am very annoying

Rang a local crowd and they have a scaffolding tower that is 75 per day, and if i hire on a saturday then i can keep until monday for hte 75 quid

goes to 20 feet so can stand from there with a long extension to reach the top of the gable

Will be safer than a ladder anyway so doing it myself again !

Asked about scissor lift etc but the gate is too narrow

michael999999

mickman wrote: »

change of plan again :-)

I know , i am very annoying

Rang a local crowd and they have a scaffolding tower that is 75 per day, and if i hire on a saturday then i can keep until monday for hte 75 quid
So
goes to 20 feet so can stand from there with a long extension to reach the top of the gable

Will be safer than a ladder anyway so doing it myself again !

Asked about scissor lift etc but the gate is too narrow

I hope you mean extension roller pole, and not a ladder.

How will you cut in the top?

mickman

michael999999 wrote: »

I hope you mean extension roller pole, and not a ladder.

How will you cut in the top?

yeah extension pole :-)

cut in with brush tied to pole ??

doing it same colour so if i miss a little at the top then its not end of world. This house is getting ready to be rented so not that particular about it