Interior window guard

skmck

Hi,
Not sure if this is the correct place but looking for some help!!
I recently purchased a house & need my engineer to sign off in order for me to get my mortgage.
However there is one issue, in that the window height from the floor to the window opening (in the living room) is not the minimum required height of 800mm from the floor. The reason why this is an issue is because there are steps leading up to the front door of my house so if a child were to fall from the living room window - there would be quite a fall!
I dont know how the original builder got away with putting the windows in in breach of this regulation but whatever!
So my engineer says that I need to put a bar across the window to make it the required height but I dont know where to look to get something to attach permanently to the wall.
Can anyone help??

DOCARCH

What do you think the drop might be from the bottom of the window opening/the cill to the ground outside?

fatty pang

DOCARCH wrote: »

What do you think the drop might be from the bottom of the window opening/the cill to the ground outside?

If the outside ground level is anything less then 600mm below internal floor then a barrier will not be required regardless of the window opening/cill height.

Calahonda52

fatty pang wrote: »

If the outside ground level is anything less then 600mm below internal floor then a barrier will not be required regardless of the window opening/cill height.

Source please?

fatty pang

Calahonda52 wrote: »

Source please?

TGD-K, Par 2.4. See Diagram 7.

sydthebeat

fatty pang wrote: »

TGD-K, Par 2.4. See Diagram 7.

That's not the correct reading of that diagram. Your interpretation could lead to non compliance.

fatty pang

sydthebeat wrote: »

That's not the correct reading of that diagram. Your interpretation could lead to non compliance.

What's the 'correct' reading then ?

sydthebeat

The correct reading is as the regs say. You cannot disregard the cill height.

What you've said is technically correct however it isn't all encompassing, because the opposite doesn't hold true.

fatty pang

sydthebeat wrote: »

The correct reading is as the regs say. You cannot disregard the cill height.

Within the parameters described the cill height is not relevant hence my use of the word 'regardless'.

sydthebeat wrote: »

What you've said is technically correct

It's correct. Your qualification is unnecessary.

sydthebeat wrote: »

however it isn't all encompassing, because the opposite doesn't hold true.

It would be ridiculous to suggest that the opposite was true.

sydthebeat

Your statement is not what the regs say because it does not cover everything the regs do.

If you can't see that I can't help you.

Calahonda52

fatty pang wrote: »

TGD-K, Par 2.4. See Diagram 7.

As already pointed out what you wrote is not in the regs, which is why I asked.
You should have qualified it as your interpretation and not giving the illusion of it being code

fatty pang

The ‘regs’ are clear; “K2- In a building the sides of every floor, balcony and every part of a roof to which people normally have access, and sunken areas connected to a building, shall be guarded to protect users from the risk of falling.”
The ‘guidance’ on prima facia compliance with the ‘regs’ is equally clear. For the purposes of a dwelling, there is no situation where a barrier is required when the external ground level is less than 600mm below the adjacent internal floor level.

You're welcome to describe a situation where my statement does not apply.

sydthebeat

ill break this down slowly for you.

firstly i said

What you've said is technically correct however it isn't all encompassing, because the opposite doesn't hold true.

and that still stands.

you said

If the outside ground level is anything less then 600mm below internal floor then a barrier will not be required regardless of the window opening/cill height.

the inverse of that is:
If the outside ground level is anything more then 600mm below internal floor then a barrier will be required regardless of the window opening/cill height

which is incorrect... thats my point. that's why i said the opposite doesn't hold true, and that your statement is not all encompassing, and thus NOT what the regs say.


describing the regs in half truths is what gets people in trouble with non compliance.

fatty pang

sydthebeat wrote: »

the inverse of that is:
If the outside ground level is anything more then 600mm below internal floor then a barrier will be required regardless of the window opening/cill height

which is incorrect... thats my point. that's why i said the opposite doesn't hold true, and that your statement is not all encompassing, and thus NOT what the regs say.

One more time…..You're welcome to describe a situation where my statement does not apply.
Erroneously and lazily ‘inverting’ what I stated simply doesn’t cut the mustard.

sydthebeat

fatty pang wrote: »

One more time…..You're welcome to describe a situation where my statement does not apply.
Erroneously and lazily ‘inverting’ what I stated simply doesn’t cut the mustard.

:rolleyes:

you just dont get it... so im out.