Resource Teaching hrs reduced

slig17

Hi,

Any advice -

Hi question re resource hrs can a school just cut resourse hrs down from 5 days of 45min to 2 days of 45min? She was allocated 4.25 and was getting these and she also gets 90 mins a day eng maths group for 3 days? Is there anyone in the know on here im not even sure I wanna fight as the 1-1 my girl is supposed to be getting is her and the computer!

thanks in advance.

byhookorbycrook

Resouce has been cut and we have been told that it does not have to be 1 to 1 either. Children are supposed to receive learning support OR resource but not both.

slig17

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

Resouce has been cut and we have been told that it does not have to be 1 to 1 either. Children are supposed to receive learning support OR resource but not both.

So eventhough we have 4.25 hrs I get cut for no reason and they just decide how to allocate?

byhookorbycrook

Are you counting the English/Maths as part of the provision? Is it possible the child is getting in-class support (there might be station teaching etc.) going on?

slig17

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

Are you counting the English/Maths as part of the provision? Is it possible the child is getting in-class support (there might be station teaching etc.) going on?

Yes on eng maths not sure in class

slig17

slig17 wrote: »

Yes on eng maths not sure in class

Also with low sten scores would she not be intitiled to maths eng group with out hrs allocated to her?

byhookorbycrook

The DES says that children who have resource hours should have their needs met within those hours, be it in-class support, withdrawal in a group or very rarely now, one to one. In other words , a child doesn't get learning support on top of resource, they are entitled to one or the other but not both.


When do you think the cut-if this is what is is-happened?
I'd suggest you make an appt to talk to the resource teacher and look for clarification.
Worth mentioning the the proposed new model for SEN will actually do away with ring-fenced resource hours too and that all the needs of of the school will have to be met from a general allocation rather than separate resource/ learning support allocations.

Oh and schools that have done well in Drumcondra/Sigma/Micra will have their allocation cut even further.

slig17

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

The DES says that children who have resource hours should have their needs met within those hours, be it in-class support, withdrawal in a group or very rarely now, one to one. In other words , a child doesn't get learning support on top of resource, they are entitled to one or the other but not both.


When do you think the cut-if this is what is is-happened?
I'd suggest you make an appt to talk to the resource teacher and look for clarification.
Worth mentioning the the proposed new model for SEN will actually do away with ring-fenced resource hours too and that all the needs of of the school will have to be met from a general allocation rather than separate resource/ learning support allocations.

Oh and schools that have done well in Drumcondra/Sigma/Micra will have their allocation cut even further.

Nxt week they told the child! Tks for that the needy child gets punished by this joke if a system once more!

muckisluck

ARe you saying your child has been granted 4.25 hours per week with 1-1 teaching on the computer or am I misreading it. I have never heard of an allocation like this.

killbillvol2

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

The DES says that children who have resource hours should have their needs met within those hours, be it in-class support, withdrawal in a group or very rarely now, one to one. In other words , a child doesn't get learning support on top of resource, they are entitled to one or the other but not both.


When do you think the cut-if this is what is is-happened?
I'd suggest you make an appt to talk to the resource teacher and look for clarification.
Worth mentioning the the proposed new model for SEN will actually do away with ring-fenced resource hours too and that all the needs of of the school will have to be met from a general allocation rather than separate resource/ learning support allocations.

Oh and schools that have done well in Drumcondra/Sigma/Micra will have their allocation cut even further.

The proposed new model has been postponed/abandoned.

From the INTO website...

The DES has announced it will not change the way teachers are allocated to schools for children with Special Educational Needs for the coming school year.

The Minister said today that in making this decision to retain the current model for allocating resource and learning support teachers for the coming year, she was guided by the advice of the NCSE Working Group that sufficient time should be allowed for further consultation to take place with the education stakeholders before the new model is implemented in schools.

The Minister said that she had asked her Department to design a pilot of the new model which schools could opt into on a voluntary basis. The Minister also said that continuing consultation with stakeholders will be a vital part of the ongoing work.


Date: Tuesday, 10 February 15

It definitely won't be seen before the election, if ever.

byhookorbycrook

It certainly has NOT be abandoned. I was at the ILSA Spring Conference last week and the NCSE, NEPS and cigire were all full steam ahead.

slig17

muckisluck wrote: »

ARe you saying your child has been granted 4.25 hours per week with 1-1 teaching on the computer or am I misreading it. I have never heard of an allocation like this.

1-1 but shes left on computer for 45 min no support while teacher does other wrk

killbillvol2

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

It certainly has NOT be abandoned. I was at the ILSA Spring Conference last week and the NCSE, NEPS and cigire were all full steam ahead.

Did they put a date on it?

byhookorbycrook

killbillvol2 wrote: »

Did they put a date on it?

16-17 at latest.

killbillvol2

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

16-17 at latest.

At earliest I'd say. Inspectors, NEPS and NCSE are not political bodies so they'd go ahead as soon as possible. But this government isn't going to reduce resource hours in middle class areas in the run up to a general election.

Allocations for 2016/17 would be known before the General election if the govt. goes full term so I'll have a friendly wager with you that they'll find another reason to stall next year.

evolving_doors

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

It certainly has NOT be abandoned. I was at the ILSA Spring Conference last week and the NCSE, NEPS and cigire were all full steam ahead.

Is that full steam ahead with the pilot?

We'd be delighted to opt in as it's a battle to get anything these days!
A GAM I presume would mean it goes purely on school numbers (no ed psych forms/tests etc)? Is that correct? (I'm secondary BTW but presume the proposals apply to both levels!)

slig17

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

Resouce has been cut and we have been told that it does not have to be 1 to 1 either. Children are supposed to receive learning support OR resource but not both.

byhookorbycrook - Hi just a question - the school never got me to sign the form to apply for resource for september? does this mean the school wont avail of my girls hours (4.25 this year) or will it follow through without my signature as her hours have been greatly cut now.

Thanks

killbillvol2

slig17 wrote: »

byhookorbycrook - Hi just a question - the school never got me to sign the form to apply for resource for september? does this mean the school wont avail of my girls hours (4.25 this year) or will it follow through without my signature as her hours have been greatly cut now.

Thanks

I don't think we needed to go through the full application process for existing pupils so the school wouldn't have needed to you to sign forms again.

slig17

killbillvol2 wrote: »

I don't think we needed to go through the full application process for existing pupils so the school wouldn't have needed to you to sign forms again.

Is Social Communication Disorder listed for resource hours?

killbillvol2

slig17 wrote: »

Is Social Communication Disorder listed for resource hours?

Haven't seen it specifically listed but it would be covered under Autistic Spectrum Disorder I think? It's a relatively new diagnosis, isn't it?