What to buy? Up to 10k to spend

canhefixit

Morning all
New car time for the other half and with up to 10k to spend was looking to see what you folk would recommend

Car has to be a diesel due to the mileage covered and at least 08 to avail of the co2 tax rates

Have test drove:
2012 2.0l mondeo lovely spacious car and nice to drive but are they plagued with flywheel trouble?
2011 astra new model 1.3 nice car suppriseingly powerful all mod cons but are then engines reliable, the chain engine in the prev models are meant to be troublesome speakin from experience

Open to suggestions

Bio Mech

canhefixit wrote: »

Morning all
New car time for the other half and with up to 10k to spend was looking to see what you folk would recommend

Car has to be a diesel due to the mileage covered and at least 08 to avail of the co2 tax rates

Have test drove:
2012 2.0l mondeo lovely spacious car and nice to drive but are they plagued with flywheel trouble?
2011 astra new model 1.3 nice car suppriseingly powerful all mod cons but are then engines reliable, the chain engine in the prev models are meant to be troublesome speakin from experience

Open to suggestions

The 2012 mondeos dont seem to be as prone to flywheels going early as the previous generation was. Though having said that as with all bigger diesels with a DMF if you keep it long enough it has a high chance of needing to be done at some point.

I have a 2009 with 100.000 miles and the flywheel has held on so far. Previous two I had needed flywheels just before 90,000. Actually of the 4 previous generation mondeos I know (myself, friend and brother in law) they all needed doing around 90K.

I would have one over an Astra.

AMKC

A Skoda Octavia maybe. Nice car. A bit bigger tan the Astra but not as big as the Mondeo and should get one with good spec too for that price. A huge boot in them too.

Raven_k42

Hi all

I've just posted a reply on another thread with similar query...but I bought a 2010 1.6tdi Octavia last year. Love the space, the kit and the finish...but I'd suggest only if you do a lot of motorway driving. I only do city driving really...and engine performance is suffering big time. From Air Flow Sensors...to EGF valves...my engine is running way more rough than it should...and constant rev "hunting". It's really taking away from the other really good points about the car.

Nothing whatsoever against Skodas...but I'd think twice...based on the kind of driving you will be doing.

Hope this helps a little,
K

Hasmunch

Where did you see a 2012 Mondeo for 10K? Is that after trade in?

Was looking at a very similar range myself last month.
I ended up with a 2.0L Mondeo brought in from England. Great car so far and very happy with it especially on the motorway.

Caliden

Raven_k42 wrote: »

Hi all

I've just posted a reply on another thread with similar query...but I bought a 2010 1.6tdi Octavia last year. Love the space, the kit and the finish...but I'd suggest only if you do a lot of motorway driving. I only do city driving really...and engine performance is suffering big time. From Air Flow Sensors...to EGF valves...my engine is running way more rough than it should...and constant rev "hunting". It's really taking away from the other really good points about the car.

Nothing whatsoever against Skodas...but I'd think twice...based on the kind of driving you will be doing.

Hope this helps a little,
K

Would be the same for most diesel engines not just Skodas. Engine needs to be up to temperature and with very little stop start for it to be economical.

I think there will be more posts like this as the newer diesel cars get older and issues arising from low mileage/city driving become apparent.

canhefixit

Hasmunch wrote: »

Where did you see a 2012 Mondeo for 10K? Is that after trade in?

Was looking at a very similar range myself last month.
I ended up with a 2.0L Mondeo brought in from England. Great car so far and very happy with it especially on the motorway.

Yeah that was a trade in price
The mondeo had 90k 1 owner and ffsh, also had the sat nav screen too which is a nice touch
Don't want to buy anything without having bit of knowledge first
How do you find fuel economy with yours?
Thing that makes me doubt the mondeo is the previous known troubles with injector, fly wheels, clutches etc maybe the new model is different

canhefixit

What about a 1.6 tdci focus how are they for reliability? Do these have a dpf and r they troublesome?
I don't particularly need a large car I'm more looking for reliablitity and good mpg as car will do plenty of long distance driving

Hasmunch

canhefixit wrote: »

Yeah that was a trade in price
The mondeo had 90k 1 owner and ffsh, also had the sat nav screen too which is a nice touch
Don't want to buy anything without having bit of knowledge first
How do you find fuel economy with yours?
Thing that makes me doubt the mondeo is the previous known troubles with injector, fly wheels, clutches etc maybe the new model is different

I only have it two weeks, a 2010 with 100K on it. I have done just under a thousand km, half motoway and half local driving. I think i am averaging 5.5L per 100km (around 42mpg).
I hope to be doing mostly motorway driving so hopefully that will improve a bit. Very solid car on the motorway but saying that i haven't driven an Avensis on Motorway to compare.

Bpmull

Caliden wrote: »

Would be the same for most diesel engines not just Skodas. Engine needs to be up to temperature and with very little stop start for it to be economical.

I think there will be more posts like this as the newer diesel cars get older and issues arising from low mileage/city driving become apparent.

Tbh sounds like there's something wrong with that octavia. It's not normal for an engine to be running rough and Rev hunting just because it's a diesel in town. My mothers 11 reg octavia which she has from new runs perfectly never sounds rough and idles consistently and it gets very mixed driving. It could go 2 weeks without getting a trip on the motorway but even after a bit of city driving it's fine. Once they get enough long trips overall the dpf is fine. 105k km on it now has never broken down or had any issues whatsoever never been in the garage other than for a service but then it's well minded and has a full skoda service history.

A lot of diesel reliability issues stem from the owner getting some local lad that knows abit about cars to service them and he fcuks some 10w40 oil in because be grand sure what would you need 5w30 synthetic low ash for. Putting in the wrong oil is probably the quickest way to ruin an engine and dpf.

canhefixit

Anyone got any knowledge on the 2.0l tdci mondeo engine? Is this the same engine as the prev model?

Have looked at the focus 1.6 and 1.8 with the later seeming more reliable with just dmf replacement common

Wouldn't mind a focus sized car but the extra room and comfort in the mondeo was nice

Is the 1.9tdi engine used I. Any of the newer cars I haven't cane across any although I took an 08 Saab 150bhp for a test yest and man it had some poke but wasn't for Herself at all unfortunately

Bpmull

canhefixit wrote: »

Anyone got any knowledge on the 2.0l tdci mondeo engine? Is this the same engine as the prev model?

Have looked at the focus 1.6 and 1.8 with the later seeming more reliable with just dmf replacement common

Wouldn't mind a focus sized car but the extra room and comfort in the mondeo was nice

Is the 1.9tdi engine used I. Any of the newer cars I haven't cane across any although I took an 08 Saab 150bhp for a test yest and man it had some poke but wasn't for Herself at all unfortunately

All 1.6tdci engines used in fords are 1.6psa ie peugoet/Citroen engines not ford. The early ones had alot of common issues I learned that the hard way by having a 07 1.6tdci focus. I think from 2010/11 there was a new design and supposedly more reliable. The 1.8 tdci is an ancient ford engine generally quite reliable but it does lack abit in the refinement economy departments. They apparently eats dmf's too a lot harder on them than the 1.6.

You can get a 1.9 TDI vag Diesel engine but that hasn't been used in volkswagen stuff since about 2009 was replaced by the vag 1.6tdi engine which is completly different engine to the 1.6 ford use.

Afaik the 1.9 in the Saab is the 1.9 opel/fiat Diesel engine used in the vectra you won't get that engine in any of the newer stuff.

canhefixit

I want to add as well that I want to really avoid car with a dpf they are just to much potential trouble

From looking into it the 1.8 focus Dosent have dps it's the older ford engine but that Dosent bother me, the dmf is common to go but rather that than a blow turbo or dpf trouble tbh

Bio Mech

canhefixit wrote: »

I want to add as well that I want to really avoid car with a dpf they are just to much potential trouble

From looking into it the 1.8 focus Dosent have dps it's the older ford engine but that Dosent bother me, the dmf is common to go but rather that than a blow turbo or dpf trouble tbh

The 1.8s have a lot of trouble snapping the timing belt as its a wetbelt system and is very sensitive to oil type and change frequency.

If you drive big mileage you shouldn't have DPF issues really.

Bio Mech

canhefixit wrote: »

Yeah that was a trade in price
The mondeo had 90k 1 owner and ffsh, also had the sat nav screen too which is a nice touch
Don't want to buy anything without having bit of knowledge first
How do you find fuel economy with yours?
Thing that makes me doubt the mondeo is the previous known troubles with injector, fly wheels, clutches etc maybe the new model is different

I don't think the frequency of those issues in the mondeo was really anymore than most other similar size common rail diesels of that era.

I get mixed MPG of 45-46 and well over 50 on motorway. 54 last long run I think,

canhefixit

Bio Mech wrote: »

The 1.8s have a lot of trouble snapping the timing belt as its a wetbelt system and is very sensitive to oil type and change frequency.

If you drive big mileage you shouldn't have DPF issues really.

Hii haven't heard of this wet belt system wat is it? I had the older 1.8 tddi engine in an older ford and were it lacked in any power etc it made up for in reliablity, are these engines similar or completely different?

canhefixit

The mondeos I take it all have dpfs? There Dosent seem to be as many horror stories with them than with the 1.6 focus
With the 1.6tdci focus potential trouble with dpf, dmf, turbo etc I think I'll give it a miss as I see it as a ticking time bomb and one that won't be cheap to repair either

canhefixit

I'm not limiting myself to mondeo or focus just first ones that came to mind and to test drive
What are the diesel vectras like? I've had experience of a corsa an an astra and they weren't good possibly the worst cars I've had tbh
Any other suggestions appreciated

bazz26

The Vectra is old hat at this stage, it's replacement the Insignia is within your budget.

DPFs were made standard on new diesel cars from 2011 onwards, plenty of cars had them fitted before that though.

canhefixit

bazz26 wrote: »

The Vectra is old hat at this stage, it's replacement the Insignia is within your budget.

DPFs were made standard on new diesel cars from 2011 onwards, plenty of cars had them fitted before that though.

Do you know much about the insignia? I honest know nothing off them not do I even know anyone with one but ill look into them

Have even been lookin at Hyundai and Kia cars online today but again know notin about them

Midlandsman80

Anyone suggested the Mazda 6 2.2d, great engine good looking car and class leading value of you ask me, often overlooked and not sure why...

bazz26

canhefixit wrote: »

Do you know much about the insignia? I honest know nothing off them not do I even know anyone with one but ill look into them

Have even been lookin at Hyundai and Kia cars online today but again know notin about them

The Insignia is generally a good car, light years ahead of the Vectra it replaced. Early ones are not without their problems but then again lots of cars have problems these days. Headroom in them especially the rear is tight it you are tall.

If your concerned about a DPF then that could be the least of your worries with the Mazda 2.2d. That engine is not as reliable as Mazda's reputation would suggest, things that do go wrong with that engine tend to be big and expensive.

What about a Renault Laguna III, vastly more reliable than the previous model and because they are no longer sold here brand new used examples are good value these days:

http://www.driving.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=141214232437184050&message=You%20searched%20for%3A%20Renault%20Laguna%2C%20Hatchback%2C%20Engine%20Min%3A%202L%2C%20Engine%20Max%3A%202L%2C%20Oldest%3A%202008%2C%20Newest%3A%202010%2C%20Diesel%20Only%2E%20Your%20search%20returned%20one%20vehicle%2C%20which%20is%20shown%20below%2E&CFID=145345133&CFTOKEN=35693723&jsessionid=f03071daf5f0fe0ac73f61664933c4c3432e

canhefixit

The more I look the more I'm drawn to the mondeo tbh, I'd get a fairly fresh car and change out of 10k they are well speced and nice looking cars
I think the belts are every 120k on them and the dmf tends to go average 100k is there any thing else to look for in them?
Going to see one in the morning it 2010 2.0l tdci titanium ffsh 90k

canhefixit

Anyone know how the 6 speed mondeo is with a solid flywheel conversion? I know some cars are very rattlely which can't do the box much good but how does the mondeo take it?