Ward v Froch

megadodge

Talib Fiasco wrote: »

Talk on twitter is Ward and Froch have been ordered by the WBA to schedule a fight within 120 days...great news. Ward gets the ultimate return to Boxing and hopefully he beats Froch easily again. Cannot stand that man.

Hard to see why that's "great news", cos really it's going to be similar to their first fight ie. not very entertaining. Actually I don't really care who Ward fights, I find him very hard to watch.

Talib Fiasco

megadodge wrote: »

Hard to see why that's "great news", cos really it's going to be similar to their first fight ie. not very entertaining. Actually I don't really care who Ward fights, I find him very hard to watch.

Massive fan of Ward myself and that's why I think it's great news. I think p4p he's the best boxer in the world and of course I want him fighting. I am also sick of all the hate he is getting online for not being in the ring in so long, whether he's partly at fault for that. Plus Froch is arguably the best fight out there for them although I think someone like Andre Dirrell would probably be his biggest test now at SMW.

megadodge

Talib Fiasco wrote: »

Massive fan of Ward myself and that's why I think it's great news. I think p4p he's the best boxer in the world and of course I want him fighting. I am also sick of all the hate he is getting online for not being in the ring in so long, whether he's partly at fault for that. Plus Froch is arguably the best fight out there for them although I think someone like Andre Dirrell would probably be his biggest test now at SMW.

Not sure the Froch fight would sell too well to be honest. As far as I remember even Froch himself in a recent interview was of the opinion that a second fight could be quite similar to their first and I think most supporters would be of the same opinion.

Of course, if Ward decided to come to the UK that might tempt Froch, but the chances of a top-class Yank fighting outside of their home country is almost nil nowadays.

HigginsJ

Don't see this as a fight that Froch would take. I love the guy but he would simply be schooled once again by Ward.

Talib Fiasco

Just found out Roman Gonzalez fought last night...won by 3rd round KO in a non title, stay busy fight. Cannot believe I didn't find out about this until it had happened...disgraceful for a top 3/5 p4p fighter. The sooner HBO get this little man the better.

walshb

HigginsJ wrote: »

Don't see this as a fight that Froch would take. I love the guy but he would simply be schooled once again by Ward.

Not sure about schooled. Beaten 'ugly' would be more apt. Their actual fight was that type of fight. Ward just being too varied/slippy and awkward for Froch. Froch did ok, he wasn't disgraced, and made Ward really earn the points win.

Johner

Froch won't take this fight and we know why. Can't really blame him though as he'd make more money fighting someone else and actually have a chance of winning.

Johner

walshb wrote: »

Not sure about schooled. Beaten 'ugly' would be more apt. Their actual fight was that type of fight. Ward just being too varied/slippy and awkward for Froch. Froch did ok, he wasn't disgraced, and made Ward really earn the points win.

It was a comfortable Ward win, the cards were absolutely ridiculous apart the 118-110. Watch it again, Froch gave him no real trouble at all. Ward is in a different league.

HigginsJ

If Froch chooses not to face Ward he will have lost his 2 world titles in the space of 6 months without fighting. I've seen a report saying that he could try to squeeze in the JCCJ fight in late July and then it would still technically be a World Title fight.

supersean1999

HigginsJ wrote: »

If Froch chooses not to face Ward he will have lost his 2 world titles in the space of 6 months without fighting. I've seen a report saying that he could try to squeeze in the JCCJ fight in late July and then it would still technically be a World Title fight.

I'd like to see him lose to a 50 yr old Hopkins, not sure it would happen now but Hopkins of even a few years ago would beat him , it's really a shame froch got the home town decision against dirrell and got out of jail against Taylor, we could of been spared the ego that is Carl froch,

Boooourns

supersean1999 wrote: »

I'd like to see him lose to a 50 yr old Hopkins, not sure it would happen now but Hopkins of even a few years ago would beat him , it's really a shame froch got the home town decision against dirrell and got out of jail against Taylor, we could of been spared the ego that is Carl froch,

One of the worst things you can do is get hung up on a sportsman's personality, they generally disappoint, just enjoy what they do and in Frochs case has delivered some brilliant fights.

walshb

supersean1999 wrote: »

I'd like to see him lose to a 50 yr old Hopkins, not sure it would happen now but Hopkins of even a few years ago would beat him , it's really a shame froch got the home town decision against dirrell and got out of jail against Taylor, we could of been spared the ego that is Carl froch,

Hopkins of maybe 20 years ago. Hopkins has been stinking the joint out for the past god knows how long. Either way he doesn't have an easy night against the best Froch. No way. Not near busy enough.

supersean1999

walshb wrote: »

Hopkins of maybe 20 years ago. Hopkins has been stinking the joint out for the past god knows how long. Either way he doesn't have an easy night against the best Froch. No way. Not near busy enough.

He would of made froch look very ordinary not that many years ago,

walshb

supersean1999 wrote: »

He would of made froch look very ordinary not that many years ago,

How, by running and spoiling and throwing 15 punches per round? Froch is no dummy, lets be realistic. Big, strong,, heavy hands, fit and well able to adjust and adapt. Hop is well off the kind of fighter that Ward is. Joe Calzaghe past his best beat Hopkins in 2008 or so. Had Joe not pressed that fight there wouldn't have been a fight.

supersean1999

walshb wrote: »

How, by running and spoiling and throwing 15 punches per round? Froch is no dummy, lets be realistic. Big, strong,, heavy hands, fit and well able to adjust and adapt. Hop is well off the kind of fighter that Ward is. Joe Calzaghe past his best beat Hopkins in 2008 or so. Had Joe not pressed that fight there wouldn't have been a fight.

Exactly. He would of out smarted and beat him. Dont try put froch down as some technical genius. As for heavy hands. Not a chance he would of stirred hopkins. Who exactly at top level has froch koed.

walshb

supersean1999 wrote: »

Exactly. He would of out smarted and beat him. Dont try put froch down as some technical genius. As for heavy hands. Not a chance he would of stirred hopkins. Who exactly at top level has froch koed.

I never said he was a technical genius, but he is not a walkover. Not for the likes of Hopkins anyway. I think you are overrating Hopkins here. I would back a prime Toney to school Froch, but that is because he could throw a lot more shots in the pocket and Froch would barley land any significant shots. Hopkins was at his best at MW, and even then he wasn't beating up great MW opponents. Jermaine Taylor beat him twice. I am not saying that he couldn't beat Froch, just that it wouldn't be an easy task for him. No way.

BTW, Froch's hands would be heavy enough to earn Bearnard's respect.

supersean1999

walshb wrote: »

I never said he was a technical genius, but he is not a walkover. Not for the likes of Hopkins anyway. I think you are overrating Hopkins here. I would back a prime Toney to school Froch, but that is because he could throw a lot more shots in the pocket and Froch would barley land any significant shots. Hopkins was at his bet at MW, and even then he wasn't beating up great MW opponents. Jermaine Taylor beat him twice. I am not saying that he couldn't beat Froch, just that it wouldn't be an easy task for him. No way.

So your saying a boxer who lost to ward and kessler and was outboxed by taylor. Imo lost to dirrell and lost prob 75% of the rounds against george groves. And you think hopkins would not beat him. Ahhhh man iv heard it all now. I think your the one overrating froch . I hope your not suggesting only toney would beat him. Jones?? Calzaghe??

walshb

supersean1999 wrote: »

So your saying a boxer who lost to ward and kessler and was outboxed by taylor. Imo lost to dirrell and lost prob 75% of the rounds against george groves. And you think hopkins would not beat him. Ahhhh man iv heard it all now. I think your the one overrating froch . I hope your not suggesting only toney would beat him. Jones?? Calzaghe??

You seem to be taking an awful lot from what I wrote

Never mentioned Jones or Calzaghe vs. Froch.

Ward in 2011 and 2012 is clearly a more complete fighter than Hopkins of the past few years. It's not even close. Hence why he was too good for Froch. You are posting the loss to Ward as if it's some sort of big knock against Froch. Ward at the time was considered top 3 p4p.

The loss to Kessler was close to Kessler's prime. Razor close loss that was, and it was avenged, and again, that Kessler is clearly better than Hopkins from the past few years.

Maybe your dislike for Froch, the person, is influencing your views of him as a fighter?

In a nutshell, the BHop from the past few years has been a stinker.

supersean1999

walshb wrote: »

You seem to be taking an awful lot from what I wrote

Never mentioned Jones or Calzaghe vs. Froch.

Ward in 2011 and 2012 is clearly a more complete fighter than Hopkins of the past few years. It's not even close. Hence why he was too good for Froch.

The loss to Kessler was close to Kessler's prime. Razor close loss that was, and it was avenged, and again, Kessler is clearly better than Hopkins from the past few years.

Maybe your dislike for Froch, the person, is influencing your views of him as a fighter?

In a nutshell, the BHop from the past few years has been a stinker.

I rate froch the same as kessler. Decent solid champ. But never good enough or smart enough to be classed a great. If im underrated froch your underrating hopkins more.

supersean1999

You said the hopkins of 20 years i said a lot more recent than that. Anyway lets agree to disagree.

walshb

supersean1999 wrote: »

You said the hopkins of 20 years i said a lot more recent than that. Anyway lets agree to disagree.

Ok, then what Hopkins? The one who beat a slow and ponderous 170 lbs Pavlik? The one who stank the joint out vs. Calzaghe? I rate Hopkins high at MW, a solid match for any man, but he's not a killer, and nor was he some whirlwind at either MW or above. It's all down to styles. I think Froch's style and size and strength cause a conservative and "easy going" Hopkins a lot of issues.

supersean1999

walshb wrote: »

Ok, then what Hopkins? The one who beat a slow and ponderous 170 lbs Pavlik? The one who stank the joint out vs. Calzaghe? I rate Hopkins high at MW, a solid match for any man, but he's not a killer, and nor was he some whirlwind at either MW or above. It's all down to styles. I think Froch's style and size and strength cause a conservative and "easy going" Hopkins a lot of issues.

And i think hopkins would of been to smart. Picked shots tied him up. Found a slow predictable easy to hit froch and beat him. As for size. Calzaghe did not look huge against him. No way to prove it now. Imo hopkins would of beat him and you think the opposite.

walshb

supersean1999 wrote: »

And i think hopkins would of been to smart. Picked shots tied him up. Found a slow predictable easy to hit froch and beat him. As for size. Calzaghe did not look huge against him. No way to prove it now. Imo hopkins would of beat him and you think the opposite.

I don't think the complete opposite. I think it's far from a given. If I had to bet I would pick Froch today and recently over the older and slower and stinkier Hopkins form the past few years. Hopkins at prime was MW, moves up to SMW and I'd back him a in a tough/close fight against Froch.