Minimum wage query

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Hi Guys I always thought that the minimum wage was €8.65
Is it different for hotels My gf is looking for work at the moment and I spotted this ad
http://www.jobs.ie/ApplyForJob.aspx?Id=1432737

Advertising
8.06ph Mon-Sat 8.92ph Sundays
for someone with experience isn't that not too low?

the_syco

How old is the GF? Above or below 18?

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32 plenty of experience

red dave

Yes it certainly is too low

ABajaninCork

The role appears to be part-time. Looks to me as though the hourly rate is pro-rated.

Stheno

Isn't there a seperate agreement governing wages in hotels outside Dublin? It sets out the rates think it's called a jlc

Mrs OBumble

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Hi Guys I always thought that the minimum wage was €8.65
Is it different for hotels My gf is looking for work at the moment and I spotted this ad
http://www.jobs.ie/ApplyForJob.aspx?Id=1432737

Advertising
8.06ph Mon-Sat 8.92ph Sundays
for someone with experience isn't that not too low?

Yes, it's too low. For a person with 2+ years work expereince (anywhere) since they turned 18, it should be at least 8.65.

It may just be a mistake.

Or they may be chancing their arm that they'll get a foreigner who doesn't know the rates or won't push for them.

ScouseMouse

The minimum wage is not what you think it is.

To get it, you must have 2 years RELEVANT experience since hitting 18 years of age. I have copied some data from citizens advice bureau. I dont have time to find all the info right now.

This is a snippet, but MAY be relevant to the OP's situation.

Exceptions to those entitled to receive the national minimum wage

There are some exceptions to those entitled to receive the national minimum wage. The legislation does not apply to a person employed by a close relative (for example, a spouse, civil partner or parent) nor does it apply to those in statutory apprenticeships. Al so some employees such as young people under 18 and trainees are only guaranteed a reduced or sub-minimum rate of the national minimum wage.
Sub-minimum rates

Since 1 July 2011 the National Minimum Wage Act provides the following sub-minimum rates, see also 'Rates' below:

An employee who is under 18 is entitled to €6.06 per hour (this is 70% of the minimum wage)
An employee who is in the first year of employment since the age of 18 is entitled to €6.92 per hour (80% of minimum wage)
An employee who is in the second year of employment since the date of first employment over the age of 18 is entitled to €7.79 per hour (90% of the minimum wage)

To put it bluntly, an engineer with 30 years experience, who built skyscapers on a salary of 200,000 per year, is not entitled to minimum wage working in a shop/bank/anything outside engineering, as he has no RELEVANT experience.

So do a bit of research to see the exact situation.

Gongoozler

Sorry, but no its not about just relevant experience, it is any 2 years experience past the age of 18.

OP, it could be a mistake, I can't imagine they'd advertise an illegal rate. Unless it's one of the things that falls under the jlc scheme thingy as already mentioned.

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everything I've read about this is all over the place all I can find is that it doesn't have to be 2 years in that field of work any 2 years doing any job will suffice.
However I did read about the davenport hotel dropping their workers to 775 an hour.
very confusing all in all she's not going for it but I do feel for those who already work there bad enough cleaning after someone but to do it for pennies is detestable.

Mrs OBumble

ScouseMouse wrote: »

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To get it, you must have 2 years RELEVANT experience since hitting 18 years of age. ...

To put it bluntly, an engineer with 30 years experience, who built skyscapers on a salary of 200,000 per year, is not entitled to minimum wage working in a shop/bank/anything outside engineering, as he has no RELEVANT experience.

Please provide a link to back this up.

Clauric

ScouseMouse wrote: »

The minimum wage is not what you think it is.

To get it, you must have 2 years RELEVANT experience since hitting 18 years of age. I have copied some data from citizens advice bureau. I dont have time to find all the info right now.

Nowhere, both in what you've provided or the law, does it say RELEVANT experience. It is 2 years experience, ie any 2 years working experience after a person has turned 18

ScouseMouse

Apologies for the delay, haven't been back.

I draw my information from a labour inspection I had with a NERA inspector.

I see the wording has changed now to "experienced worker". So a bank manager or engineer is not an experienced worker. I guess you could call it a loophole (possibly closed now)

Say a job is for a till in Tesco. Can you define if mr bank manager is an experienced worker?

I did a couple of google searches here and here, and indeed it now says experienced worker.

Reading again, I see they have closed the loophole with this.

National minimum wage

Since 1 July 2011 under SI 331 of 2011 the national minimum wage for an experienced adult employee is €8.65 per hour (was €7.65). An experienced adult employee for the purposes of the National Minimum Wage Act is an employee who has an employment of any kind in any 2 years over the age of 18 - see also 'Rates' section below.

Of course the national minimum wage (NMW) does not stop an employer from offering a higher wage.

This is now changed, but was the situation.

Mr. Loverman

I suspect this is the hotels way of saying they want to hire a teenager.

Just like when jobs say heavy lifting required (males only) or mature person (no teenagers please).

Frynge

Could it be that the wage is the gross pay per hour in monetary terms with deductions having been made for staff meals?