c4 grand picasso 1.6 hdi anything to be wary of?

teflon

Folks,
im thinking of buying a citroen C4 GRAND PICASSO 1.6 HDI. Anything i should be wary of? Its a 2010 model

mickdw

teflon wrote: »

Folks,
im thinking of buying a citroen C4 GRAND PICASSO 1.6 HDI. Anything i should be wary of? Its a 2010 model

Does it have that Tiptronic gearbox. Make sure it does what is supposed to with no lurching or funny noises.

Fiskar

The engine to be frank and fair.

This engine is common to all PSA products, Ford focus and Volvo S40.
It has the following items that fellow Boardsies can relate to.

1) the DPF has a scheduled replacement at 125K

2) There is a special additive tank under the car that needs filling every 60K (km) by the dealer and the counter in the ecu needs resetting.

3) The turbo only likes low SAPs oil and the service intervals must be held to strictly. I do mine now every 14K (KM) , some say 12k is the proper change. If you cannot see oil changes on the service book of that frequency, walk away.

Item 1 is at least 800 euro and generally is done with item 2 about 200 euro as Eloys is or was 100 euro per 3 litre bottle
My car has 130K (Km) but has had to be watched and a lot of costly work was carried out at 125K.

teflon

mickdw wrote: »

Does it have that Tiptronic gearbox. Make sure it does what is supposed to with no lurching or funny noises.

Its semi automatic. Is that the same?

gctest50

be sure it has ESC that works

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcM9hkWrImU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27IEedbaTpA

( c4 i know but anyway )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mAUHF5ihTc

mickdw

teflon wrote: »

Its semi automatic. Is that the same?

Yep, the paddle shift one. I know of a couple of 09 models that are not behaving great although are still reliable.

Row

The semi autos are not my favourite and if they go wrong they are not cheap to repair...:(

teflon

What other costs should i factor in at 150k klms?
Timing belt?
Dpf?

Thanks

FrontDoor

teflon wrote: »

What other costs should i factor in at 150k klms?
Timing belt?
Dpf?

Thanks

To my knowledge, the Eloys fluid just needs to be refilled. I don't think you ever need to actually replace the unit.

teflon

How much does a service cost on this car?

MuppetCheck

That semi auto box is really horrid in use, it's not smooth and has a mind of its own at times. If you're decided on the car being for you I'd look at a manual.

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Trading in my 2010 c4 in a few days it's a 5 seater though. Imo and not that I know that much about cars it's the best family car on the market

_Brian

Fiskar wrote: »

The engine to be frank and fair.

This engine is common to all PSA products, Ford focus and Volvo S40.
It has the following items that fellow Boardsies can relate to.

1) the DPF has a scheduled replacement at 125K

2) There is a special additive tank under the car that needs filling every 60K (km) by the dealer and the counter in the ecu needs resetting.

3) The turbo only likes low SAPs oil and the service intervals must be held to strictly. I do mine now every 14K (KM) , some say 12k is the proper change. If you cannot see oil changes on the service book of that frequency, walk away.

Item 1 is at least 800 euro and generally is done with item 2 about 200 euro as Eloys is or was 100 euro per 3 litre bottle
My car has 130K (Km) but has had to be watched and a lot of costly work was carried out at 125K.

We just recently traded in out C4 GP after 4 years and ~160k kms driving it..

1, on our 08 VTR+ the DPF light came on at 180k km's, brought it to the dealer who said it was the scheduled replacement mileage. They hooked it up to diagnostics and could see that the pressure drop was minimal across the DPF so reset the counter, €40, dealer said it was in near new condition so no need to change.

2. The Eloys fluid does need replenishing. Again how quickly depends on the driver. The fluid is injected into the tank everytime the fuel tank flap operates. If you're constantly stopping and throwing in €10 of diesel then it gets used up quickly, if you fill with diesel at every fill then it lasts through much more mileage. Done once in the time we had it.

3. The turbo itself on ours never gave trouble, whistled a bit with an air leak, and round the intercooler gets a bit oily but no problems.

Ours was a manual as we were warned to stay clear of the Auto's.

We had no electrical gremlins what so ever and this is what we were warned about when buying a C4.

The DMF + clutch lasted to ~175k km's, cost €1100 to replace

Really comfortable car to drive, covers long distances with ease and you'll never feel tired getting out of it.

Now, I would say it started feeling a bit loose and old at the 200k km's, its not huge milage but definitely felt like bushings etc were well worn.

Not the best car I've driven on frosty/snow roads.

If we were small mileage drivers we'd buy another no problems.

teflon

Got a garage to check it out today and this is the result.
Are these costly faults?

ba_barabus

What did your garage say?

_Brian

Regeneration request too frequent would concern me.

In my limited knowledge this shows that the car thinks the DPF constantly needs regeneration.

This could either mean the regen isn't happening because te car isn't being driven sufficiently to heat up to regen.
Or it could mean that regen isn't clearing the DPF enough and so it needs replacing. Both bad situations.

teflon

Garage said it woukd need a regeneration test at a cost of about €50 and see if that works and if noe may be costly.

Should i walk away?

_Brian

teflon wrote: »

Garage said it woukd need a regeneration test at a cost of about €50 and see if that works and if noe may be costly.

Should i walk away?

I'd say they mean a forced regen and if that doesn't work it's a new DPF.
€800-900

teflon

Are any of the other codes worrying?

_Brian

TBH I wouldn't know.
I just researched the DPF stuff when the light came on on ours.

darragh o meara

_Brian wrote: »

I'd say they mean a forced regen and if that doesn't work it's a new DPF.
€800-900

Or you could go down the road of getting it removed altogether. I see plenty of places offering removal on Donedeal. Whether or not it will have implications with the NCT down the road has yet to be seen, but for now its a cheaper alternative and will save you money in replacement and elosys fluid.

Finally, Terraclean ( youll need to google your closest one ) offer DPF cleaning. I used to use a similar company a few years ago to get the DPFs cleaned on trucks and vans, again it works out a lot cheaper than replacement.

_Brian

darragh o meara wrote: »

Or you could go down the road of getting it removed altogether. I see plenty of places offering removal on Donedeal. Whether or not it will have implications with the NCT down the road has yet to be seen, but for now its a cheaper alternative and will save you money in replacement and elosys fluid.

Finally, Terraclean ( youll need to google your closest one ) offer DPF cleaning. I used to use a similar company a few years ago to get the DPFs cleaned on trucks and vans, again it works out a lot cheaper than replacement.

I wouldn't advise taking out the DPF..
Even a few sites offering the service are warning that it will "soon" be an NCT failure..

Row

teflon wrote: »

Got a garage to check it out today and this is the result.
Are these costly faults?

P1490
Did the garage check....
1)The differential pressure across the dpf when driving..?
2)The average distance between regenerations..?

P0100 this is a maf related fault which could be connected to a blocking dpf or short circuit etc.. further diagnostics would need to be carried out to see why its been flagged.

P2299 This can be flagged when the accelerator pedal and brake pedal are pressed simultaneously.

What mileage/Kms are on the car..?

Btw the eloys dpf additive on these are usually sealed bags that cant be topped up only replaced which is not the end of the world..:)

teflon

Row wrote: »

P1490
Did the garage check....
1)The differential pressure across the dpf when driving..?
2)The average distance between regenerations..?

P0100 this is a maf related fault which could be connected to a blocking dpf or short circuit etc.. further diagnostics would need to be carried out to see why its been flagged.

P2299 This can be flagged when the accelerator pedal and brake pedal are pressed simultaneously.

What mileage/Kms are on the car..?

Btw the eloys dpf additive on these are usually sealed bags that cant be topped up only replaced which is not the end of the world..:)

There is 150000 klms on it. 1.6 diesel
Thanks for all the replies so far

_Brian

My thinking on this is if you do deal for it you'd want to be keeping a figure of maybe €1000 in the bank for a possible DPF and other small possible sensor issues..
As 7 seaters go these are very keenly priced and very nice to drive. When we bought ours it was in the region of €5/6k cheaper than say a Ford S Max, in the four years of ownership we didn't spend near that on above standard servicing, we traded it in costing €2.5k depreciation a year, so we were happy all round.

At 150000 KM's I would only consider it if you're not going to add more than maybe 40k km's over a few years. by 200k km's ours felt like the suspension and steering was getting loose and rattly.

magentis

I would walk away tbh,that gearbox is a nightmare if it starts acting up and massive money,that coupled with the MAF and dpf fault codes would have me running for the hills,it would want to be €1500 below average and even then i would be wary of taking a chance.Dont get me wrong they are a decent car and i like that engine for what it is,but i would find another.

wellysbw

Hi Folks,

Can someone tell me what a DPF is please? Ive no clue.

Looking at buying one with 120k KM on the clock but dont need any extra costs after we buy it. Anything else to look out for?

I had a 407 in the past with the same engine, very happy with its performance.

Finally, how was the space in the back row, was there enough from for 3 forward facing car seats? I have a 4 and 2 year old and a new born.

Thanks in advance for your help.

slimjimmc

DPF = Diesel Particulate Filter
It's basically a filter in the exhaust system which reduces the amount of soot particles being blown out from the exhaust. Every now and then the car tries to burn off the trapped soot by injecting a bit of extra fuel or a special fluid to raise the temp in the filter. If your driving consists mainly of urban or short runs then this regeneration doesn't occur often enough and the soot can build up and block the pores in the DPF.