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40% increase in disability since 2006.

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  • 01-03-2015 2:34pm
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    yipeeeee
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    http://www.davidmcwilliams.ie/2013/04/04/the-mystery-of-disability



    Anyone see this article? Claims there is an increase of 40% in people leaving the workforce due to disability since 2006.

    And the figures aren't included when talking about unemployment.

    Highest disability claims in Europe.

    Kind of puts the public funding etc from the AAA crowd into perspective.


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    Mint Aero
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    I'd imagine it could be true if mental health counts as a disability?

    You don't destroy a nation and cripple it's people with massive financial burden without expecting something like this to happen.

    Don't know if it's true and just covered up here but we've the highest suicide rate in Europe?


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    The_Valeyard
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    Have we increased what we have classed as a 'disability' since then? Could be to bring us in line with EU rules?

    Edit: isnt that article over two years old now? Must be explanations for this by now.


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    yipeeeee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,605 ✭✭✭yipeeeee


    Mint Aero wrote: »
    I'd imagine it could be true if mental health counts as a disability?

    You don't destroy a nation and cripple it's people with massive financial burden without expecting something like this to happen.

    Don't know if it's true and just covered up here but we've the highest suicide rate in Europe?

    These left the workforce, so they had jobs.


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    Gatling
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    To get disability here it can take over a year to get the payment
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    Mint Aero
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    yipeeeee wrote: »
    These left the workforce, so they had jobs.

    Mental health is never black and white like that. Maybe reduced hours and pay, maybe family members where laid off and they where working more, who knows. FF left a fine legacy.


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    Atlantic Dawn
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    A million people have free travel and 2 million people have medical cards, clearly somethings wrong in a country of our size.


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    yipeeeee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,605 ✭✭✭yipeeeee


    Mint Aero wrote: »
    Mental health is never black and white like that. Maybe reduced hours and pay, maybe family members where laid off and they where working more, who knows. FF left a fine legacy.

    Greece had it a lot worst, strange were still top.

    Always the governments fault isn't it?


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    Chucken
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    Gatling wrote: »
    To get disability here it can take over a year to get the payment

    If indeed the payment is awarded at all.


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    yipeeeee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,605 ✭✭✭yipeeeee


    Atlantic Dawn wrote: »
    A million people have free travel and 2 million people have medical cards, clearly somethings wrong in a country of our size.

    Wow that is something else.

    And people wonder why we need to start paying for water etc.

    Massive welfare rate is crippling us.


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    yipeeeee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,605 ✭✭✭yipeeeee


    Chucken wrote: »
    If indeed the payment is awarded at all.

    Clearly seems to be.


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    Chucken
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    yipeeeee wrote: »
    Wow that is something else.

    And people wonder why we need to start paying for water etc.

    Massive welfare rate is crippling us.

    I was wondering when you'd throw that in :rolleyes:
    yipeeeee wrote: »
    Clearly seems to be.

    Sure. Ya. Everyone that applies, gets it. No problem at all.


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    yipeeeee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,605 ✭✭✭yipeeeee


    Chucken wrote: »
    I was wondering when you'd throw that in :rolleyes:



    Sure. Ya. Everyone that applies, gets it. No problem at all.

    Is it not relevant though?


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    Chucken
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    yipeeeee wrote: »
    Is it not relevant though?

    If you want to start early in the week with the weekly welfare bashing thread, fire away. I'm not entertaining it...or you.


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    Penny Tration
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    Atlantic Dawn wrote: »
    A million people have free travel and 2 million people have medical cards, clearly somethings wrong in a country of our size.

    I remember when my mam's disability was granted (and yes, she's severely disabled, can't even leave the house alone, let alone work), they gave her a travel + companion pass despite her telling them repeatedly that she didn't want it, because she can't get on buses so she gets a taxi on the rare occasion that she goes anywhere.

    They sent her one anyway, which has been languishing in a drawer somewhere since.


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    ScumLord
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    If they're waiting for scans they will be waiting at least a year. Maybe their fine , they're fully fit for work they just don't know their fit for work because they haven't got their medical examination to give them the all clear.


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    Mint Aero
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    yipeeeee wrote: »
    Greece had it a lot worst, strange were still top.

    Always the governments fault isn't it?


    Wow calm down buddy. What have you got against the most vulnerable in our society big man?


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    kneemos
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    Much easier to just claim the dole than jump through the many hoops that disability allowance throw at you.
    Must be a genuine reason for it.


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    yipeeeee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,605 ✭✭✭yipeeeee


    Mint Aero wrote: »
    Wow calm down buddy. What have you got against the most vulnerable in our society big man?
    Absolutely nothing, don't put words in my mouth.

    I think they are well looked after, but this isn't been acknowledged that's my whole point.


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    shruikan2553
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    It could also be possible that people were able to find a job they were capable of with their disability or a place was willing to take them on with an easier workload. Then everything went to **** and nowhere will give them a job.


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    Penny Tration
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    yipeeeee wrote: »
    Absolutely nothing.

    I think they are well looked after, but this isn't been acknowledged that's my whole point.

    They're not.


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    #22
    yipeeeee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,605 ✭✭✭yipeeeee


    Jenny Thalia wrote: »
    They're not.

    Fair enough maybe I have it wrong so, just going on that article I thought it seemed the case.


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    Ave Sodalis
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    shruikan2553 wrote: »
    It could also be possible that people were able to find a job they were capable of with their disability or a place was willing to take them on with an easier workload. Then everything went to **** and nowhere will give them a job.

    I think, in my own uneducated opinion, that this could be a massive factor in it. It's difficult enough to get a job when you're completely able bodied and fully qualified. It's an employers market right now.

    As for 2 million having a medical card, good. The sooner everyone gets one, the better. I'd much rather my taxes go towards funding health care and education than some of the things they are spent on. I'd even be happy to pay higher taxes if I knew that's where they were going. That's probably never going to happen though.


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    Rubber_Soul
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    Mint Aero wrote: »
    Don't know if it's true and just covered up here but we've the highest suicide rate in Europe?

    It's not true http://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/sites/9789264183896-en/01/07/g1-07-01.html?contentType=&itemId=%2Fcontent%2Fchapter%2F9789264183896-10-en&mimeType=text%2Fhtml&containerItemId=%2Fcontent%2Fserial%2F23056088&accessItemIds=%2Fcontent%2Fbook%2F9789264183896-en&_csp_=be14f43f3ab04271fcf917d221d83f55

    A report published in 2013 did state we were amongst the highest for teen suicide though (highest for females, 2nd highest for males) iirc.


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    Zebra3
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    yipeeeee wrote: »
    Greece had it a lot worst, strange were still top.

    Always the governments fault isn't it?

    Roughly 11% unemployment rate which would be higher if it wasn't for a generation that fled abroad.

    Sure, we're laughing, aren't we?

    :rolleyes:


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    yipeeeee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,605 ✭✭✭yipeeeee


    Zebra3 wrote: »
    Roughly 11% unemployment rate which would be higher if it wasn't for a generation that fled abroad.

    Sure, we're laughing, aren't we?

    :rolleyes:

    It's 9% while Greece is 25%, what point are you trying to make?


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    Eugene Norman
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    Atlantic Dawn wrote: »
    A million people have free travel and 2 million people have medical cards, clearly somethings wrong in a country of our size.

    The million on free travel includes ( and is mostly) older people. Out of a population of 4.2 million we probably have 500k+ over 65. In many european countries everybody gets a medical card, effectively.


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    Zebra3
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    yipeeeee wrote: »
    It's 9% while Greece is 25%, what point are you trying to make?

    http://www.tradingeconomics.com/ireland/unemployment-rate

    It's 10.5%.

    We're hardly "still top". :rolleyes:


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    yipeeeee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,605 ✭✭✭yipeeeee


    Zebra3 wrote: »
    http://www.tradingeconomics.com/ireland/unemployment-rate

    It's 10.5%.

    We're hardly "still top". :rolleyes:

    Just reading that, it says unemployment has been an average of 10.70% since 1983.

    So we're at the average for Ireland but going the right way.
    http://www.cso.ie/en/index.html

    Cso saying it's 10.30%.

    What an improvement from 16% a couple of years ago.

    Edit- I think you're mixing up what I was referring to about been top.


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    suicide_circus
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    Chucken wrote: »
    If you want to start early in the week with the weekly welfare bashing thread, fire away. I'm not entertaining it...or you.
    Deflect deflect!


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    Paramite Pie
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    Atlantic Dawn wrote: »
    A million people have free travel and 2 million people have medical cards, clearly somethings wrong in a country of our size.

    If you have a medical card, then your kids are eligible get one up to the age of 24. So this boosts the number dramatically. It'd be more interesting to know how many households have medical cards.

    Secondly the UK spends a similar amount of money per person on healthcare and manages to have free health care for all. We've too many executives soaking up the money.
    Zebra3 wrote: »
    Roughly 11% unemployment rate which would be higher if it wasn't for a generation that fled abroad.

    Most of my friends/acquaintances who went abroad have already returned (we're mid-20s). Only a handful stayed there or went on to another country. All of them left jobs to go too. An unemployed person would likely struggle to save to go to Oz (I assume anyways).


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