40% increase in disability since 2006.

yipeeeee

http://www.davidmcwilliams.ie/2013/04/04/the-mystery-of-disability



Anyone see this article? Claims there is an increase of 40% in people leaving the workforce due to disability since 2006.

And the figures aren't included when talking about unemployment.

Highest disability claims in Europe.

Kind of puts the public funding etc from the AAA crowd into perspective.

Mint Aero

I'd imagine it could be true if mental health counts as a disability?

You don't destroy a nation and cripple it's people with massive financial burden without expecting something like this to happen.

Don't know if it's true and just covered up here but we've the highest suicide rate in Europe?

The_Valeyard

Have we increased what we have classed as a 'disability' since then? Could be to bring us in line with EU rules?

Edit: isnt that article over two years old now? Must be explanations for this by now.

yipeeeee

Mint Aero wrote: »

I'd imagine it could be true if mental health counts as a disability?

You don't destroy a nation and cripple it's people with massive financial burden without expecting something like this to happen.

Don't know if it's true and just covered up here but we've the highest suicide rate in Europe?

These left the workforce, so they had jobs.

Gatling

To get disability here it can take over a year to get the payment

Mint Aero

yipeeeee wrote: »

These left the workforce, so they had jobs.

Mental health is never black and white like that. Maybe reduced hours and pay, maybe family members where laid off and they where working more, who knows. FF left a fine legacy.

Atlantic Dawn

A million people have free travel and 2 million people have medical cards, clearly somethings wrong in a country of our size.

yipeeeee

Mint Aero wrote: »

Mental health is never black and white like that. Maybe reduced hours and pay, maybe family members where laid off and they where working more, who knows. FF left a fine legacy.

Greece had it a lot worst, strange were still top.

Always the governments fault isn't it?

Chucken

Gatling wrote: »

To get disability here it can take over a year to get the payment

If indeed the payment is awarded at all.

yipeeeee

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

A million people have free travel and 2 million people have medical cards, clearly somethings wrong in a country of our size.

Wow that is something else.

And people wonder why we need to start paying for water etc.

Massive welfare rate is crippling us.

yipeeeee

Chucken wrote: »

If indeed the payment is awarded at all.

Clearly seems to be.

Chucken

yipeeeee wrote: »

Wow that is something else.

And people wonder why we need to start paying for water etc.

Massive welfare rate is crippling us.

I was wondering when you'd throw that in :rolleyes:

yipeeeee wrote: »

Clearly seems to be.

Sure. Ya. Everyone that applies, gets it. No problem at all.

yipeeeee

Chucken wrote: »

I was wondering when you'd throw that in :rolleyes:



Sure. Ya. Everyone that applies, gets it. No problem at all.

Is it not relevant though?

Chucken

yipeeeee wrote: »

Is it not relevant though?

If you want to start early in the week with the weekly welfare bashing thread, fire away. I'm not entertaining it...or you.

Penny Tration

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

A million people have free travel and 2 million people have medical cards, clearly somethings wrong in a country of our size.

I remember when my mam's disability was granted (and yes, she's severely disabled, can't even leave the house alone, let alone work), they gave her a travel + companion pass despite her telling them repeatedly that she didn't want it, because she can't get on buses so she gets a taxi on the rare occasion that she goes anywhere.

They sent her one anyway, which has been languishing in a drawer somewhere since.

ScumLord

If they're waiting for scans they will be waiting at least a year. Maybe their fine , they're fully fit for work they just don't know their fit for work because they haven't got their medical examination to give them the all clear.

Mint Aero

yipeeeee wrote: »

Greece had it a lot worst, strange were still top.

Always the governments fault isn't it?

Wow calm down buddy. What have you got against the most vulnerable in our society big man?

kneemos

Much easier to just claim the dole than jump through the many hoops that disability allowance throw at you.
Must be a genuine reason for it.

yipeeeee

Mint Aero wrote: »

Wow calm down buddy. What have you got against the most vulnerable in our society big man?

Absolutely nothing, don't put words in my mouth.

I think they are well looked after, but this isn't been acknowledged that's my whole point.

shruikan2553

It could also be possible that people were able to find a job they were capable of with their disability or a place was willing to take them on with an easier workload. Then everything went to **** and nowhere will give them a job.

Penny Tration

yipeeeee wrote: »

Absolutely nothing.

I think they are well looked after, but this isn't been acknowledged that's my whole point.

They're not.

yipeeeee

Jenny Thalia wrote: »

They're not.

Fair enough maybe I have it wrong so, just going on that article I thought it seemed the case.

Ave Sodalis

shruikan2553 wrote: »

It could also be possible that people were able to find a job they were capable of with their disability or a place was willing to take them on with an easier workload. Then everything went to **** and nowhere will give them a job.

I think, in my own uneducated opinion, that this could be a massive factor in it. It's difficult enough to get a job when you're completely able bodied and fully qualified. It's an employers market right now.

As for 2 million having a medical card, good. The sooner everyone gets one, the better. I'd much rather my taxes go towards funding health care and education than some of the things they are spent on. I'd even be happy to pay higher taxes if I knew that's where they were going. That's probably never going to happen though.

Rubber_Soul

Mint Aero wrote: »

Don't know if it's true and just covered up here but we've the highest suicide rate in Europe?

It's not true http://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/sites/9789264183896-en/01/07/g1-07-01.html?contentType=&itemId=%2Fcontent%2Fchapter%2F9789264183896-10-en&mimeType=text%2Fhtml&containerItemId=%2Fcontent%2Fserial%2F23056088&accessItemIds=%2Fcontent%2Fbook%2F9789264183896-en&_csp_=be14f43f3ab04271fcf917d221d83f55

A report published in 2013 did state we were amongst the highest for teen suicide though (highest for females, 2nd highest for males) iirc.

Zebra3

yipeeeee wrote: »

Greece had it a lot worst, strange were still top.

Always the governments fault isn't it?

Roughly 11% unemployment rate which would be higher if it wasn't for a generation that fled abroad.

Sure, we're laughing, aren't we?

:rolleyes:

yipeeeee

Zebra3 wrote: »

Roughly 11% unemployment rate which would be higher if it wasn't for a generation that fled abroad.

Sure, we're laughing, aren't we?

:rolleyes:

It's 9% while Greece is 25%, what point are you trying to make?

Eugene Norman

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

A million people have free travel and 2 million people have medical cards, clearly somethings wrong in a country of our size.

The million on free travel includes ( and is mostly) older people. Out of a population of 4.2 million we probably have 500k+ over 65. In many european countries everybody gets a medical card, effectively.

Zebra3

yipeeeee wrote: »

It's 9% while Greece is 25%, what point are you trying to make?

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/ireland/unemployment-rate

It's 10.5%.

We're hardly "still top". :rolleyes:

yipeeeee

Zebra3 wrote: »

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/ireland/unemployment-rate

It's 10.5%.

We're hardly "still top". :rolleyes:

Just reading that, it says unemployment has been an average of 10.70% since 1983.

So we're at the average for Ireland but going the right way.
http://www.cso.ie/en/index.html

Cso saying it's 10.30%.

What an improvement from 16% a couple of years ago.

Edit- I think you're mixing up what I was referring to about been top.

suicide_circus

Chucken wrote: »

If you want to start early in the week with the weekly welfare bashing thread, fire away. I'm not entertaining it...or you.

Deflect deflect!

Paramite Pie

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

A million people have free travel and 2 million people have medical cards, clearly somethings wrong in a country of our size.

If you have a medical card, then your kids are eligible get one up to the age of 24. So this boosts the number dramatically. It'd be more interesting to know how many households have medical cards.

Secondly the UK spends a similar amount of money per person on healthcare and manages to have free health care for all. We've too many executives soaking up the money.

Zebra3 wrote: »

Roughly 11% unemployment rate which would be higher if it wasn't for a generation that fled abroad.

Most of my friends/acquaintances who went abroad have already returned (we're mid-20s). Only a handful stayed there or went on to another country. All of them left jobs to go too. An unemployed person would likely struggle to save to go to Oz (I assume anyways).

darkpagandeath

yipeeeee wrote: »

It's 9% while Greece is 25%, what point are you trying to make?

Missing the 89k on schemes and all that.

yipeeeee

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Missing the 89k on schemes and all that.

Where is the 89k figure coming from?


The unemployment rate is such that.

It's people not working, anything else is of no relevance.

Zebra3

Paramite Pie wrote: »

Most of my friends/acquaintances who went abroad have already returned (we're mid-20s). Only a handful stayed there or went on to another country. All of them left jobs to go too. An unemployed person would likely struggle to save to go to Oz (I assume anyways).

So your mates are home, great!

And poor people can't afford to emigrate to Australia which mean... Which means what? It's the only place people went?

darkpagandeath

yipeeeee wrote: »

Where is the 89k figure coming from?


The unemployment rate is such that.

It's people not working, anything else is of no relevance.

Kind of is when they still receive SW payments and are ahem not on SW anymore. Have linked it in other threads not doing it again.

bodice ripper

All the people I know on disabilty truly need it, and had to really chase it down and jump through hoops, more than anyone that sick should have to.

byhookorbycrook

I have MS but continue to work . I don't have and won't get a medical card unless I stop working,One of meds that I have to pay for myself cosst €280 a month. I pay VHI which covers the other med to the tune of 2,500, The lure of getting for all of this paid for by the state is huge, but I intend to work while I can, though I am in bed each night after work during the week due to fatigue.

Penny Tration

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

I have MS but continue to work . I don't have and won't get a medical card unless I stop working,One of meds that I have to pay for myself cosst €280 a month. I pay VHI which covers the other med to the tune of 2,500, The lure of getting for all of this paid for by the state is huge, but I intend to work while I can, though I am in bed each night after work during the week due to fatigue.

Can you not avail of the drug payment scheme and pay 140-odd per month for all meds?

That's what my mam does. She's on easily 500 euro plus worth of meds per month

bodice ripper

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

I have MS but continue to work . I don't have and won't get a medical card unless I stop working,One of meds that I have to pay for myself cosst €280 a month. I pay VHI which covers the other med to the tune of 2,500, The lure of getting for all of this paid for by the state is huge, but I intend to work while I can, though I am in bed each night after work during the week due to fatigue.

Hero status.

Paramite Pie

Zebra3 wrote: »

So your mates are home, great!

Wow, that's what you took from my post??:pac: My point is that most of that 'generation of emigration' nonsense isn't really all it's cracked up to be. There were even studies done that showed that most people who emigrate aren't the unemployed, just young people being young.

Also there's nothing wrong with a bit of aul' anecdotal evidence.

Zebra3 wrote: »

And poor people can't afford to emigrate to Australia which mean... Which means what? It's the only place people went?

Don't be so pedantic.:rolleyes: This is a forum post not a Official Study. No where did I imply that's the only place, but Australia is simply one of the first examples that comes to mind when we think of all the young Irish forced to emigrate.

foggy_lad

shruikan2553 wrote: »

It could also be possible that people were able to find a job they were capable of with their disability or a place was willing to take them on with an easier workload. Then everything went to **** and nowhere will give them a job.

many people that cant now find suitable jobs because of the downturn are also being refused jobseekers because they are not both available and capable of work so are left with no other option but to seek disability benefit.

yipeeeee wrote: »

Fair enough maybe I have it wrong so, just going on that article I thought it seemed the case.

that article is dealing with costs only and not any human element.

suicide_circus

I'm at least 40% more unable than I was in 2006

893bet

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

I have MS but continue to work . I don't have and won't get a medical card unless I stop working,One of meds that I have to pay for myself cosst €280 a month. I pay VHI which covers the other med to the tune of 2,500, The lure of getting for all of this paid for by the state is huge, but I intend to work while I can, though I am in bed each night after work during the week due to fatigue.

See I would love if all the lazy wasters I know on disability payments got cut off and people like you got what they are entitled to!

Ave Sodalis

893bet wrote: »

See I would love if all the lazy wasters I know on disability payments got cut off and people like you got what they are entitled to!

Is your username a bet you made with yourself (or maybe someone else) to see if you can get to 893 posts before getting banned?

Letree

Chucken wrote: »

If you want to start early in the week with the weekly welfare bashing thread, fire away. I'm not entertaining it...or you.

Yeah who cares if its costing €21 billion a year.. lets just not talk about it.

AndonHandon

893bet wrote: »

See I would love if all the lazy wasters I know on disability payments got cut off and people like you got what they are entitled to!

One can only live in hope. Hard nut to crack without being labelled an insensitive mother****er but another way of looking at it is that they can't hurt you.

conorh91

Paramite Pie wrote: »

There were even studies done that showed that most people who emigrate aren't the unemployed, just young people being young.

Why did they suddenly start 'being young' in 2009

Of course it wasn't the unemployed who tended to emigrate. The lowest earners would not tend to have the financial capital to emigrate. But it was certainly related to the economic downturn, the low availability of work and associated weak career prospects.

To claim it was 'just young people being young' is obviously false. Young people have always been young, but they only emigrate in these numbers during a period of recession.

myshirt

Jesus walked into a bar, and saw 3 lads together having a pint. One English lad, one Welsh lad, and an Irish guy.

He blessed the English guy , and his arthritis was cured. It was a miracle.
He put the sign of the cross on the Welsh gentleman's head, and his eyesight improved twofold. A miracle upon miracles.

He approaches the Irish guy.... 'Oi, f#ck off, I'm claiming disability'