Greening

Nekarsulm

Today I received the Basic Payment entitlements letter. I am actually going to get €70 per year increase. But no doubt, some deductions or other will negate that. On the almost 31% portion now attributed to Greening, as I understand it, no specific action is required when all the farm is in permanent pasture?

skoger

Yeah that's right - you're "Green by Definition". I see the Dept are only telling half the story with that letter. My entitlement value is being cut by around €6 over the 5 years but you take greening into account each entitlement is down over €9

Sami23

Nekarsulm wrote: »

Today I received the Basic Payment entitlements letter. I am actually going to get €70 per year increase. But no doubt, some deductions or other will negate that. On the almost 31% portion now attributed to Greening, as I understand it, no specific action is required when all the farm is in permanent pasture?

Just wondering has everyone received this letter by now as I haven't got it yet ?

dzer2

Sami23 wrote: »

Just wondering has everyone received this letter by now as I haven't got it yet ?

Got mine yesterday:cool:

supersean1999

Got mine

Greengrass1

Losing 8/9e every yr here

freedominacup

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Losing 8/9e every yr here

18e/ha/year here.

Ah nuts

will the disadvantaged area scheme still be in place

Greengrass1

freedominacup wrote: »

18e/ha/year here.

Ouch.
We will bring some if back with young farmer top up but not all of it

larrymiller

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Ouch.
We will bring some if back with young farmer top up but not all of it

It's not from greening your losing it from gg is it?

rangler1

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Losing 8/9e every yr here

Is that only €8/9 per ha.
mine isn't going to be as bad as I thought.
It's decreasing by about €22/ha per year until 2019....happy out

supersean1999

rangler1 wrote: »

Is that only €8/9 per ha.
mine isn't going to be as bad as I thought.
It's decreasing by about €22/ha per year until 2019....happy out

Thats not a lot out of e400/ha

mayota

What's the story with the Base Unit Value, seems very low here compared to previous years but greening makes up the difference.

sh1tstirrer

I'll gain €23/year by 2019 it might buy a bottle of whiskey Christmas 2019.

td5man

Ah nuts wrote: »

will the disadvantaged area scheme still be in place

Yep ,it has a new name. Anc or something like that.

Green farmer

I thought I was going up a bit. But then realised the greening sort of replaces the extra money you get from the sheep grassland. So not sure if I'm us or down in real terms , I think ?

td5man

Green farmer wrote: »

I thought I was going up a bit. But then realised the greening sort of replaces the extra money you get from the sheep grassland. So not sure if I'm us or down in real terms , I think ?

My basic payment is up €0.23/ha.

whelan2

Sami23 wrote: »

Just wondering has everyone received this letter by now as I haven't got it yet ?

its on agfood online

Farmer Pudsey

In 2019 mine will be similar to what I got last year in 2014. My entitlements are going down by between 2.5 and 3%/year.

Sami23

whelan2 wrote: »

its on agfood online

I can't seem to find the BPS entitlement values and greening figures on agfood. I can access the new application alright and see land details for this year.
Where is the stuff about the money located

whelan2

Sami23 wrote: »

I can't seem to find the BPS entitlement values and greening figures on agfood. I can access the new application alright and see land details for this year.
Where is the stuff about the money located

go to direct payments
then bps/greening/sps
then correspondence on the bottom left
then guide to bps entitlements 2015-2019
click view
on my computer which ever one you pick will be in your downloads hth

Sami23

whelan2 wrote: »

go to direct payments
then bps/greening/sps
then correspondence on the bottom left
then guide to bps entitlements 2015-2019
click view
on my computer which ever one you pick will be in your downloads hth

Thanks Whelan but stil no joy. The only correspondence I have there is the pre printed maps for coming year.

whelan2

Sami23 wrote: »

Thanks Whelan but stil no joy. The only correspondence I have there is the pre printed maps for coming year.

it should be under that, maybe give them a ring on monday

Bigbird1

What exactly is greening ?

Buford T. Justice XIX

td5man wrote: »

My basic payment is up €0.23/ha.

Drinks are on you, so;)

As far as i can make out so far, i will be down about 800 euro in total by the end so not too bad. Regretting selling the bull weanlings now when i took over to build a shed to put the heifers in.:(

KatyMac

I got mine and think I'm up about €10 but I'm sure that will be taken some other way

Nekarsulm

Bigbird1 wrote: »

What exactly is greening ?

Here is an explanation I found online. Basically its a way to cut 30% from your SFP, unless you adopt certain procedures. More applicable to people with a proportion of tillage crops in their acerage. (at the moment!)

http://www.teagasc.ie/publications/2014/3207/Greening_article_Todays_Farm_July_August_for_web.pdf

Connemara Farmer

Nekarsulm wrote: »

Here is an explanation I found online. Basically its a way to cut 30% from your SFP, unless you adopt certain procedures. More applicable to people with a proportion of tillage crops in their acerage.

http://www.teagasc.ie/publications/2014/3207/Greening_article_Todays_Farm_July_August_for_web.pdf

There's a theory out there that individual greening may prove to be a mistake. If you think about it, Farmer A with a large payment is getting payed X amount for greening, while Farmer B with a small payment is getting paid Y amount for greening.

If someone wanted to save money in the future, they may well say, hey, these guys or girls are doing the same job, but Farmer B is doing it for SFA, so why are we paying Farmer A much more than Farmer B?

larrymiller

Do tillage and beef here.
Putting one tillage field back into grass in to keep them happy. Luckily one year when we were reseeding we put barley in it as a once off and then put it in grass and that has worked in out favour.
How ever one of the largest operaters in Ireland can just sow a green crop after the harvest and let's it grow for the winter and then harrows it in and tills again.
Then again 30% of his sfp would be a few hundred grand a year

supersean1999

Connemara Farmer wrote: »

There's a theory out there that individual greening may prove to be a mistake. If you think about it, Farmer A with a large payment is getting payed X amount for greening, while Farmer B with a small payment is getting paid Y amount for greening.

If someone wanted to save money in the future, they may well say, hey, these guys or girls are doing the same job, but Farmer B is doing it for SFA, so why are we paying Farmer A much more than Farmer B?

I thought the idea was that farmer A and farmer B. Were supposed to meet in the middle ONE day

Nekarsulm

I think you will find that the middle will fall nearer the lower end of the scale.....

Connemara Farmer

supersean1999 wrote: »

I thought the idea was that farmer A and farmer B. Were supposed to meet in the middle ONE day

No, greening, as far as I understand it, is taking 30% of your individual payment and if you're a grass farmer basically giving it back to you again. I can see a day when someone looking for promotion says hey, we're paying these guys here too much when those guys there are doing the same thing for much less. A flate rate greening would have given that greening money more protection for the country, if not for individuals.

Buford T. Justice XIX

Nekarsulm wrote: »

I think you will find that the middle will fall nearer the lower end of the scale.....

The SFP is worth about half the value now as regards when it started, between cuts and modulation and inflation eating away at it.

So we will be doing the same job to ever higher standards for ever less money...

blue5000

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

The SFP is worth about half the value now as regards when it started, between cuts and modulation and inflation eating away at it.

So we will be doing the same job to ever higher standards for ever less money...

Too true, I wonder will living expenses, and inputs like sprays, diesel, fertiliser, vet inputs and spare parts go down by an equivalent amount between now and 2019?:(

freedominacup

blue5000 wrote: »

Too true, I wonder will living expenses, and inputs like sprays, diesel, fertiliser, vet inputs and spare parts go down by an equivalent amount between now and 2019?:(

Or up depending on your situation. :-D

Farmer Pudsey

If you had rented land during 2013/2014 and lose it and because of it have not enough land for entitlments can you stack greening. I am hearing that you may lose that porpotion of it.