pneumonia vaccine

Greengrass1

2 and calf here tonight in last 2 wks with pneumonia.
Had a touch of it last autumn too in calves.
Thinking of vaccinating. Doing IBR here.
Would giving calves this intranasely? Do the job?

Miname

Greengrass1 wrote: »

2 and calf here tonight in last 2 wks with pneumonia.
Had a touch of it last autumn too in calves.
Thinking of vaccinating. Doing IBR here.
Would giving calves this intranasely? Do the job?

Bovipast is a far better job than the intranasal.imo dear but works well

dzer2

Miname wrote: »

Bovipast is a far better job than the intranasal.imo dear but works well

Use both here GG

Greengrass1

dzer2 wrote: »

Use both here GG

Which do you think works better?

tanko

I prefer the two injections three weeks apart but if you have a problem now the intranasal starts working quickly.

Greengrass1

tanko wrote: »

I prefer the two injections three weeks apart but if you have a problem now the intranasal starts working quickly.

What injections? Ibr?

tanko

Greengrass1 wrote: »

What injections? Ibr?

Ive been using Rispoval 3 as a vaccination against pnuemonia in weanlings giving the second one three weeks before weaning.
Don't vaccinate against Ibr, don't know much about it.

dzer2

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Which do you think works better?

Give IBR through Nazal and Pi3 and bvd by injection. DVD only came in the last Bovipast. with so many calves here to much of a risk not to vaccinate for all

Greengrass1

dzer2 wrote: »

Give IBR through Nazal and Pi3 and bvd by injection. DVD only came in the last Bovipast. with so many calves here to much of a risk not to vaccinate for all

I did ibr last yr intranasal after some problems and it cured them
Only remembered now that we did it.

The antibodies from colostrum only cover them for 2wks or so don't they?

dzer2

Greengrass1 wrote: »

I did ibr last yr intranasal after some problems and it cured them
Only remembered now that we did it.

The antibodies from colostrum only cover them for 2wks or so don't they?

Think they say 3 weeks But I vaccinate when I transport cattle as they are more at risk through stress and breezy boxes and the likes since I stopped buying from the local dealer the amount of intervention has gone down

Buford T. Justice XIX

I had a good few with pneumonia last spring but had huge problems at grass with what i thought was hoose and again last autumn with pneumonia where i lost 8 because i wasn't around checking during feeding due to my father in hospital.

Eventually diagnosed as RSV with a little PI3(or the other way around?)

Going in with Bovipast and IBR vaccine at 2 weeks this year. It will probably cost less than the vet bills for pneumonia not to mention the losses and hassle of injections.

Cow Porter

having right trouble here with calves this year coughing and high temperatures.. know the cause is air space is shared with older stock.

vet reckons ibr doesnt affect young calves. we are vaccinating intranasal to cover rsv and pi3. doing this in batches of 5 from day 5-9, should be only day 9.
Hexasol on anything with high tempeartures, vaccine can only stand up to so much. Have vaccinated autumn ones with live ibr up the nose as had it left over.

what is your housing like? have they separate air space?

Buford T. Justice XIX

Cow Porter wrote: »

having right trouble here with calves this year coughing and high temperatures.. know the cause is air space is shared with older stock.

vet reckons ibr doesnt affect young calves. we are vaccinating intranasal to cover rsv and pi3. doing this in batches of 5 from day 5-9, should be only day 9.
Hexasol on anything with high tempeartures, vaccine can only stand up to so much. Have vaccinated autumn ones with live ibr up the nose as had it left over.

what is your housing like? have they separate air space?

Like yourself, shared air spaces so hoping with cows out early and the vaccine it will reduce the problems. A good number of heifers this year so not as worried about vaccines cost.

Cow Porter

This is vaccine were using

Greengrass1

Main shed is a round roof very high but not played out right hope to do a job on it sometime.
Was autumn calves in it till yesterday only spring born calves now nothing else sharing air space

mahoney_j

Was vaccinating all calves with bovipast from day 5 and booster at 3 weeks later.worked extremely well.cost cutting this year and decided not to,hopefully won't regret it.cslves in good high airy sheds with no other stock

orm0nd

Cow Porter wrote: »

having right trouble here with calves this year coughing and high temperatures.. know the cause is air space is shared with older stock.

vet reckons ibr doesnt affect young calves. we are vaccinating intranasal to cover rsv and pi3. doing this in batches of 5 from day 5-9, should be only day 9.
Hexasol on anything with high tempeartures, vaccine can only stand up to so much. Have vaccinated autumn ones with live ibr up the nose as had it left over.

what is your housing like? have they separate air space?

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had an ibr outbreak about 6 years ago , in very young stock , some a week old.

have done a bit of research on this , it seems a lot of stock carry the ibr virus ( i dont know the correct term ) and may not cause any problems but if the anaimal gets any setback , ie scour, ordinary pneumonia, chill, etc the ibr will spark off & spread like wildfire.

once we began vaccinating with rispoval live, , no more issues,

frazzledhome

Greengrass1 wrote: »

2 and calf here tonight in last 2 wks with pneumonia.
Had a touch of it last autumn too in calves.
Thinking of vaccinating. Doing IBR here.
Would giving calves this intranasely? Do the job?

Are you vaccinating cows and heifers for IBR?

frazzledhome

mahoney_j wrote: »

Was vaccinating all calves with bovipast from day 5 and booster at 3 weeks later.worked extremely well.cost cutting this year and decided not to,hopefully won't regret it.cslves in good high airy sheds with no other stock

We were doing Bovi and IBR here. Cut out Bovi last yr and did only IBR as all stock are IBR vaccinated. No problems

Edit: we have 100 Bovi doses on stand by in the fridge.

frazzledhome

You'll need to treat the clinical cases ASAP. We use Zactran and Loxicon which is an anti inflammatory. It's one shot of each unfair the skin. Generally don't IBR vaccinate till after de horning and moving to OAD. One stress event at a time. Watch stock carefully after vaccination

Greengrass1

frazzledhome wrote: »

Are you vaccinating cows and heifers for IBR?

Yes all stock were done 1st week in October due to be re done very soon

Have those calves sorted caught them early last one was flat out yesterday evening and panting.
Got stuff off vet A1 now

frazzledhome

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Yes all stock were done 1st week in October due to be re done very soon

Have those calves sorted caught them early last one was flat out yesterday evening and panting.
Got stuff off vet A1 now

So you're vaccinating all cows and heifers but why not calves. The rest of your stock are IBR positive.........what chance have the calves

Greengrass1

frazzledhome wrote: »

So you're vaccinating all cows and heifers but why not calves. The rest of your stock are IBR positive.........what chance have the calves

What ever calves are old enough next week will get a shot but never really done calves here.
More numbers now we're seeing more problems.

Do all calves then?

Cow Porter

frazzledhome wrote: »

We were doing Bovi and IBR here. Cut out Bovi last yr and did only IBR as all stock are IBR vaccinated. No problems

Edit: we have 100 Bovi doses on stand by in the fridge.

Live or dead ibr and are you going intramuscular or intranasal on calves

sucklerlover

Greengrass1 wrote: »

2 and calf here tonight in last 2 wks with pneumonia.
Had a touch of it last autumn too in calves.
Thinking of vaccinating. Doing IBR here.
Would giving calves this intranasely? Do the job?

I used to have a lot of pneumonia until I started vaccinate. I give risipoval intranasal. It's about €3 a shot. Also give bovipast which is about €6.i give the booster for bovipast about 2 weeks later and the booster for ibr in September. Has stopped big strong 10 week old suckler calves from dying. That shot covers them for 12 months then. (If I remember wrightly)
You cud still get an animal come down with it but they will respond way faster to the antibiotic i find when they've been vaccinated.i find the benefit outways the cost with the hassle of catching them etc. I injected 3 weanlings so far out of 60 this winter. Antibiotic s can be very expensive when u go injecting heavier animals.

grassroot1

OP would you not be better finding out if it is IBR rather than spending money on IBR vaccine if it is RSV or one of the others

Greengrass1

grassroot1 wrote: »

OP would you not be better finding out if it is IBR rather than spending money on IBR vaccine if it is RSV or one of the others

Would nasal swabs confirm?
Used ibr vaccine last yr and it definitely helped but your right if I knew for sure it would be better

frazzledhome

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Would nasal swabs confirm?
Used ibr vaccine last yr and it definitely helped but your right if I knew for sure it would be better

I can't understand your thought process you're actually IBR vaccinating 60% of herd why not the rest?

You do need IBR its p13 I'd be looking for that's what Bovipast is for

grassroot1

This year over crowding maybe an issue(not saying it is with you) and it is a different time of year so we should not assume its the same as last time.
Hope you get to the cause quickly

Greengrass1

frazzledhome wrote: »

I can't understand your thought process you're actually IBR vaccinating 60% of herd why not the rest?

You do need IBR its p13 I'd be looking for that's what Bovipast is for

See own vet never wanted us to do ibr vacc it was Glanbia vet that advised us to after milk readings went sky high and cows having awful snotty noses
Our vet is more cure than prevent I had never thought of doing new born calves.

I haven't a clue about any of what vacc to give calves but there's definitely an underlying problem with actual pneumonia and coughs in calves

dzer2

Greengrass1 wrote: »

See own vet never wanted us to do ibr vacc it was Glanbia vet that advised us to after milk readings went sky high and cows having awful snotty noses
Our vet is more cure than prevent I had never thought of doing new born calves.

I haven't a clue about any of what vacc to give calves but there's definitely an underlying problem with actual pneumonia and coughs in calves

Hey GG I gave the last ones respirval the day they came no coughs runny noses or floppy ears 10 days in.

Bigbird1

I have 4 ten month old bulls with slightly high temperatutes,discharge from mouth/nose.vet said lungs are fine but temps means must be some virus.he injected them with long acting product,not sure of name. That was a week ago and there still the same,eating meal and silage but seem dull in themselves. These and others had similar problem last october before they were weaned. I will certainly consider vaccination in the future, anyone any ideas of how to cure these 4.also how much is the vaccine?

orm0nd

Bigbird1 wrote: »

I have 4 ten month old bulls with slightly high temperatutes,discharge from mouth/nose.vet said lungs are fine but temps means must be some virus.he injected them with long acting product,not sure of name. That was a week ago and there still the same,eating meal and silage but seem dull in themselves. These and others had similar problem last october before they were weaned. I will certainly consider vaccination in the future, anyone any ideas of how to cure these 4.also how much is the vaccine?

you need to find out what the vet gave,

a shot of Nuflor often works

these symptoms are typical of mild IBR

Bigbird1

orm0nd wrote: »

you need to find out what the vet gave,

a shot of Nuflor often works

these symptoms are typical of mild IBR

Thanks. How can I find out what exact strain of virus it is ?

Its serious hastle along with loss of thrive in stock and expence

dzer2

Bigbird1 wrote: »

Thanks. How can I find out what exact strain of virus it is ?

Its serious hastle along with loss of thrive in stock and expence

Very hard now that the vet has intervened He should have taken a swap before he treated them.

I think the vaccine will cure IBR need to check with your vet though

tanko

Vaccinating calves/weanlings might seem expensive when you're doing it but if you don't do it and have an outbreak later on it looks like peanuts then.

Base price

tanko wrote: »

Vaccinating calves/weanlings might seem expensive when you're doing it but if you don't do it and have an outbreak later on it looks like peanuts then.

+1
We had a serious outbreak of pneumonia 7 years ago, lost some calves and weanlings. Vet took swabs at the time as well as giving treatment.
Vet advised vaccinating everything with rispoval intranasal (orange box) which we did.
To this day we automatically vaccinate bought in calves (Rispoval) within a day or two of arrival and they get a second dose at about 6 months of age. We still get the odd case of pneumonia but they respond positively to treatment.

lakill Farm

just called our vet and organised the vaccinations

mahoney_j

My cost saving for calves this spring backfired,planned to not vaccinate with bovipast ,all calves born so far now vaccinated.some cslves scoured over last few days ,nice shine gone off coats and gone off nuts /straw.hit them hard with electrolytes and tlc.turned corner today.calved bouncing around again,shine comming back and scours more or less cleared up and thankfully no losses.

frazzledhome

mahoney_j wrote: »

My cost saving for calves this spring backfired,planned to not vaccinate with bovipast ,all calves born so far now vaccinated.some cslves scoured over last few days ,nice shine gone off coats and gone off nuts /straw.hit them hard with electrolytes and tlc.turned corner today.calved bouncing around again,shine comming back and scours more or less cleared up and thankfully no losses.

Thought of you yesterday, wondered how it was going. No Halocur here to date, no Bovipast.

Scour hit last few days, rotavirus was diagnosed today. All stay on milk with 3 feeds of Lifeaid 1 at midday, 3pm and 9 pm. 3-4 cc Marbicyl. Isolate and under lamp.

Since calving started 1 abort, 1 deformed and one week old calf lost last night. Have to be happy with that.

All cows 3+ fr calving getting Rotavirus vaccine tomorrow morning and we'll just treat calves till that kicks in

mahoney_j

frazzledhome wrote: »

Thought of you yesterday, wondered how it was going. No Halocur here to date, no Bovipast.

Scour hit last few days, rotavirus was diagnosed today. All stay on milk with 3 feeds of Lifeaid 1 at midday, 3pm and 9 pm. 3-4 cc Marbicyl. Isolate and under lamp.

Since calving started 1 abort, 1 deformed and one week old calf lost last night. Have to be happy with that.

All cows 3+ fr calving getting Rotavirus vaccine tomorrow morning and we'll just treat calves till that kicks in

Fook,not nice nor a nice problem to have at this stage of spring.early intervention is critical and also an accurate identification of what's up.calves took up a lot of my time last few days but nice to have turned corner.git myself one of those scour test kits ,very handy and useful.thankfully no crypto or rota.nice to know u were thinking of me by the way!!!!

frazzledhome

mahoney_j wrote: »

Fook,not nice nor a nice problem to have at this stage of spring.early intervention is critical and also an accurate identification of what's up.calves took up a lot of my time last few days but nice to have turned corner.git myself one of those scour test kits ,very handy and useful.thankfully no crypto or rota.nice to know u were thinking of me by the way!!!!

What brought you to mind was a discussion at the table about how shyte Munster are at the moment

mahoney_j

frazzledhome wrote: »

What brought you to mind was a discussion at the table about how shyte Munster are at the moment

Top of the league ted!!!!!

larrymiller

mahoney_j wrote: »

Fook,not nice nor a nice problem to have at this stage of spring.early intervention is critical and also an accurate identification of what's up.calves took up a lot of my time last few days but nice to have turned corner.git myself one of those scour test kits ,very handy and useful.thankfully no crypto or rota.nice to know u were thinking of me by the way!!!!

Where ya get the test kit?

frazzledhome

mahoney_j wrote: »

Top of the league ted!!!!!

The minor

mahoney_j

larrymiller wrote: »

Where ya get the test kit?

Vet

nhg

First batch of this year's calves (11 no) arriving onto farm tomorrow, just wondering if your vaccination program for this year is similar to previous years or are there any newer products on the market..

blackdog1

mahoney_j wrote: »

Fook,not nice nor a nice problem to have at this stage of spring.early intervention is critical and also an accurate identification of what's up.calves took up a lot of my time last few days but nice to have turned corner.git myself one of those scour test kits ,very handy and useful.thankfully no crypto or rota.nice to know u were thinking of me by the way!!!!

I'm giving cows Rota vaccine and calves get coccidiosis at 9 days and pneumonia vaccine. Still get the odd scour though nearly lost 1 or 2. Anytime I get lax on cleaning pens it hits harder. Hygiene is everything but getting the time to do it is hard.