A6 3.0d 2011 vs f10 520d

vintagevrs

Currently driving a 520d auto. Any thoughts on the pros/cons of changing into something like this?

http://m.carzone.ie/used-cars/Audi/A6-3.0TDI-Multitronic-S-Line-Auto-204HP-4DR/139614229651879950

Thanks in advance

mickdw

vintagevrs wrote: »

Currently driving a 520d auto. Any thoughts on the pros/cons of changing into something like this?

http://m.carzone.ie/used-cars/Audi/A6-3.0TDI-Multitronic-S-Line-Auto-204HP-4DR/139614229651879950

Thanks in advance

I believed these 3.0 were all quattro but now I'm not so sure. Without quattro, leave it where it is.

vintagevrs

Yeah I believe this is fwd. Is quattro really needed? there may be a few occasions where it gets you out of trouble with snow etc. But for everyday use?

thanks for the reply

Stop clocking

What year is your 520 and how much are you expecting to pay to change to that a6?

bazz26

mickdw wrote: »

I believed these 3.0 were all quattro but now I'm not so sure. Without quattro, leave it where it is.

It is still offered in fwd.

vintagevrs

The 520 is 2011. It would be on a forecourt for 28-29k. It's low millage and good spec.

im guessing 3 or 4 k but no idea really.

bazz26

I'd say it will be costing you more than that, min 5k I'd imagine. Remember the garage have to stick a warranty on your car too as well you give you one on the A6. On the flip side, a 3.0 litre A6 will not have the same appeal as the 2.0 litre version. Despite costing nearly the same to tax and not much more to run, alot of people will shun away from "the huge engine".

I'd be interested to know how you get on though

vintagevrs

Yes the 6 cylinders is one of the pros for me but not sure how it will compare still. It sounds underpowered for a 3L 6 pot at 200ish bhp. Gearbox is better in the bm I believe. All being well I plan to test it tomorrow but depends on some other stuff going right to give me time.

Interested in the quattro comment above. For most users picking up shopping with child seats etc are you really going to notice?

bazz26

vintagevrs wrote: »

Yes the 6 cylinders is one of the pros for me but not sure how it will compare still. It sounds underpowered for a 3L 6 pot at 200ish bhp. Gearbox is better in the bm I believe. All being well I plan to test it tomorrow but depends on some other stuff going right to give me time.

Interested in the quattro comment above. For most users picking up shopping with child seats etc are you really going to notice?

In the same light you could argue that the 2.0 litre would do the same thing. Most cars in this segment are either rwd or fwd.

Also there is a higher tuned 245bhp version and then you have the twin turbo with over 300bhp afaik. Both of these are Quattro only.

tossy

To truly appreciate quattro you'd have to test drive both variants, a six cylinder 200bhp A6 car shouldn't be FWD, did they make them especially for Ireland ?

Stop clocking

I reckon you will be asked between 7 and 8k but will be interested to see how you get on. Best of luck .

vintagevrs

Just checked online. 28k would be selling privately. Forecourt prices for our own would be low 30s. Not a hope I'll be adding anywhere near that kind of money with it to trade into a similar type of car. The lack of 4wd is an issue too as it is nearly expected for that model. Most people looking for a 6 cylinder a6 expect 4wd, as I did. Only discovered today it's available in fwd.

It still looks like a fine car but testing both 4wd and this would be the only way to decide if it misses it as said above.

mloc123

I was between buying a 520d and A6 for the last few weeks. I went with the A6, 3.0 fwd... I drove a good few of both and just liked the A6 more.

If I was in your position I would be looking for a 2012 or newer. The 2011 520ds I drove were all at 29,950 from a BMW dealer.. You should be pushing for 27k trade in on yours, assuming it is auto.

bazz26

When I was buying my 11 520d auto last October BMW dealers were asking between €28k and €32k for them. €32k being for high spec M Sports with very low mileage. Those prices also included a 2 year warranty. Very unlikely a dealer will sell your car for those sort of figures now, especially a non BMW dealer.

mloc123

bazz26 wrote: »

When I was buying my 11 520d auto last October BMW dealers were asking between €28k and €32k for them. €32k being for high spec M Sports with very low mileage. Those prices also included a 2 year warranty. Very unlikely a dealer will sell your car for those sort of figures now, especially a non BMW dealer.

Price in every BMW dealer currently was...
2010 - 27,995
2011 - 29,995

These are the 'Premium Selection' cars. Msport was about 2-3k premium.

Couple down in waterford or tipp were 1k less but they seemed to be almost fixed prices around Dublin.

vintagevrs

bazz26 wrote: »

When I was buying my 11 520d auto last October BMW dealers were asking between €28k and €32k for them. €32k being for high spec M Sports with very low mileage. Those prices also included a 2 year warranty. Very unlikely a dealer will sell your car for those sort of figures now, especially a non BMW dealer.

This is an ad for a car with similar millage to our own and less spec. The ad is only three weeks old so I was just going on that. This is an example of what I was referring to on today's forecourts.

http://m.carzone.ie/used-cars/BMW/5-Series-520d-SE-Saloon/126114211292122130

vintagevrs

mloc123 wrote: »

I was between buying a 520d and A6 for the last few weeks. I went with the A6, 3.0 fwd... I drove a good few of both and just liked the A6 more.

If I was in your position I would be looking for a 2012 or newer. The 2011 520ds I drove were all at 29,950 from a BMW dealer.. You should be pushing for 27k trade in on yours, assuming it is auto.

Are you saying push for 2012 for that price point, or for a particular reason with the A6 model?

mickdw

The Quattro isn't just a benefit in snow and ice.
Its a completely different car.
I bought a front drive A5 new and it is a big mistake. The cars are designed as quattro and going by how my car behaves, I would have to assume that the front drive versions get the bare minimum in terms of sorting handling etc.

mloc123

vintagevrs wrote: »

Are you saying push for 2012 for that price point, or for a particular reason with the A6 model?

Price point... 2012 model sline should also have xenon lights as standard I think.

bazz26

vintagevrs wrote: »

This is an ad for a car with similar millage to our own and less spec. The ad is only three weeks old so I was just going on that. This is an example of what I was referring to on today's forecourts.

http://m.carzone.ie/used-cars/BMW/5-Series-520d-SE-Saloon/126114211292122130

What the dealer asks for it and what it actually sells can be two different things. Also these are selling prices that include a 2 year BMW warranty. A dealer will not buy your car from you at anywhere near those prices as they have to cover the cost of the warranty and sell it on at a profit.

There is a thread over in the buying sub forum were a poster has been offered a trade-in price of €27k by a BMW dealer for a good spec low mileage 2012 520d manual. Granted a manual is worth less than an auto but it's still a year younger than your car which would cancel out the difference in price.

I also bought a decent spec 2011 520d SE auto with 60k miles myself last October from a BMW dealer and it retailed at €29k at that time. It would not sell for €29k today.

vintagevrs

bazz26 wrote: »

What the dealer asks for it and what it actually sells can be two different things. Also these are selling prices that include a 2 year BMW warranty. A dealer will not buy your car from you at anywhere near those prices as they have to cover the cost of the warranty and sell it on at a profit.

There is a thread over in the buying sub forum were a poster has been offered a trade-in price of €27k by a BMW dealer for a good spec low mileage 2012 520d manual. Granted a manual is worth less than an auto but it's still a year younger than your car which would cancel out the difference in price.

I also bought a decent spec 2011 520d SE auto with 60k miles myself last October from a BMW dealer and it retailed at €29k at that time. It would not sell for €29k today.

I am not disputing any of that. As I said it's a forecourt price, the same as the Audi A6 being a forecourt price. I paid very little more than that 2 years ago so do not expect to get the forecourt sticker price as the value of my trade in.

mickdw

LIGHTNING wrote: »

It has nothing to do with Quattro, I know a few guys in Audi and none of them will drive an A5. They all hate them, they would rather drive a A1.

The A5 quattro is a different car completely so I don't agree with that at all.
Dealer gave me an A6 s line a couple of years back 2.0 front drive and I thought it was terrible, MORE Tramlining type issues than mine, terrible under acceleration on uneven roads. Not what the doctor ordered at all. It didn't have the front wheel hop that mine does - I will give it that much.

mloc123

bazz26 wrote: »

I also bought a decent spec 2011 520d SE auto with 60k miles myself last October from a BMW dealer and it retailed at €29k at that time. It would not sell for €29k today.

BMW dealers in Dublin are still looking for 29,995 for a 2011 SE auto with the same miles. I looked at three different ones a couple of weeks back, never got into proper haggling as I wasn't 100% sold on any of them but they were holding strong on price and all pretty much said the same thing... we never have them in stock long.

Stallingrad

Pretty sure a UK 2011 520D landed here could be had for €25000. A6 maybe even less.

bazz26

mloc123 wrote: »

BMW dealers in Dublin are still looking for 29,995 for a 2011 SE auto with the same miles. I looked at three different ones a couple of weeks back, never got into proper haggling as I wasn't 100% sold on any of them but they were holding strong on price and all pretty much said the same thing... we never have them in stock long.

Well you will find that Dublin dealer prices are a bit like Dublin house/rent prices and are not always representative of prices from the rest of the country. It can pay to shop around especially outside the Pale where there might not be such a cozy cartel or price watching.

Stallingrad wrote: »

Pretty sure a UK 2011 520D landed here could be had for €25000. A6 maybe even less.

You can buy them that cheap here too with patchy service histories, etc but given how expensive it can be to fix these cars as they get older, the 2 year warranty from BMW is a valuable commodity imo.

q85dw7osi4lebg

Nice car, funny transmission. Would personally look for an S-Tronic model if I was to purchase one. Drove the S-tronic 204bhp and it was nice, although not as quick as I imagined. lighter 4 cylinder 188hp S-tronic just as nice but harder to come by.

vintagevrs

So drove the car today and liked the finish and comfort. Power delivery seemed very similar to the 5 series. As said above for 50% more cylinders and cc, you would hardly notice. Refinement probably better at low rpm and slow speeds. Dark head liner and s line trim is nice.

Fine car, but they wanted 6k with trade in. That's swapping a 2011 5 series for a 2011 a6 with twice the millage. I should have known better but thought they might look for half of that. Might start the ball rolling on a private sale for the 5.

Idbatterim

why in gods name do you want to swap, even if there is no price difference, why swap one car with half the mileage for a very similar car? You go to sell them privately and the one with half the mileage would sell for several thousand more! Edit - I see the audi is a 6 pot, meh, if that is the only thing between them, I would save myself the few grand personally...

mloc123

vintagevrs wrote: »

So drove the car today and liked the finish and comfort. Power delivery seemed very similar to the 5 series. As said above for 50% more cylinders and cc, you would hardly notice. Refinement probably better at low rpm and slow speeds. Dark head liner and s line trim is nice.

Fine car, but they wanted 6k with trade in. That's swapping a 2011 5 series for a 2011 a6 with twice the millage. I should have known better but thought they might look for half of that. Might start the ball rolling on a private sale for the 5.

Did you drive the one in Mayo?

Money wise I think it is a little crazy tbh. I bought a 2011 A6 for 2k less than the 2011 5 series I had been looking at. Both were SE, for 5k on top of your own I would expect a 2012 at least.

RedorDead

LIGHTNING wrote: »

It has nothing to do with Quattro, I know a few guys in Audi and none of them will drive an A5. They all hate them, they would rather drive a A1.

Horse**** - the A5 is still a superb car. Its outselling new 4 Series currently year to date. Interior and infotainment systems a little old but still looks great. Where in Audi do you "know" these guys?