new stove for mother

P_Cash

OK people, advice needed.

OUT with:
Solid fuel range, which is used for central heating (6 rads) and hot water.

In with: oil.
Planning on replacing range with oil stove, to heat the 6 rads.
Replacing copper cylinder with same size insulated one, u know the green stuff molded on it.
Sticking in emmersion on the cylinder on a timer for summer heating of water.


Or would you put in a stand alone oil stove,
And a seperate boiler outside for heating rads and water?

Is there a Stanley stove to suit my needs even?

She was hoping the stove would do the lot.

House is early 70s. New windows and doors 2012. Walls pumped, and attic fully insulated.
Hse is bungalow
Roughly 1,600 sq ft

Cheers for the time to answer this,
Much appreciated.

Dtp1979

P_Cash wrote: »

OK people, advice needed.

OUT with:
Solid fuel range, which is used for central heating (6 rads) and hot water.

In with: oil.
Planning on replacing range with oil stove, to heat the 6 rads.
Replacing copper cylinder with same size insulated one, u know the green stuff molded on it.
Sticking in emmersion on the cylinder on a timer for summer heating of water.


Or would you put in a stand alone oil stove,
And a seperate boiler outside for heating rads and water?

Is there a Stanley stove to suit my needs even?

She was hoping the stove would do the lot.

House is early 70s. New windows and doors 2012. Walls pumped, and attic fully insulated.
Hse is bungalow
Roughly 1,600 sq ft

Cheers for the time to answer this,
Much appreciated.

I've never seen an oil stove to heat rads. Get a stand alone stove, put an outside grant vortex boiler, fully zone the heating properly with heating controls

The middle inch

I'm no expert by any means but i would look very carefully before investing in an oil stove. I have lived in 2 houses with fairly new oil stoves (less than 5 years old), without back boilers and have found they drink oil, and take a long time to heat up, and don't ever seem to give out much heat. Compared to the likes of a Stanley solid fuel with back boiler (which my parents have) the oil stove is very disappointing. Depending on your budget, needs etc. i would look at a solid fuel stove, either with a back boiler, or else fit an outside oil condenser boiler with a room heater solid fuel stove.

Calahonda52

What age is your mother?
Does she need all the work with a solid fuel stove?
I would go oil and no stove except maybe a small one for effect so to speak but not something that needs doing every day

P_Cash

Early 70s and wants to make the change now when she's fit. She's aiming to do it this summer.

I thought myself alright the best method would be put the stand alone stove in for effect, oil like. But put in the boiler out side for central heating.

She won't give up her open fire in sitting room which she lights every night. .

I was thinking Stanley oisin or tara, . Oil.

It's a fairly big job.. Something i say should have been done 10yrs ago, the oil central heating that is.

she has the old type single radiators to, iron piping. If we could change the rads using existing piping underground i would, then that just means digging up stove/hotpress to out side, lucky they are next to each other.
Speaking of which, do i need to go under ground? Can i go up through the ceiling and down at the back, after all the central heating will be on a pump, the oil line for the stove?
Am i wishful thinking? Or does it have to be gravity fed only.

Cheers people

Ps, i did tell her that putting in a decent grant boiler will eventually be the main heat source, ease of use, timed etc.

Man of Aran

Dtp1979 wrote: »

I've never seen an oil stove to heat rads. Get a stand alone stove, put an outside grant vortex boiler, fully zone the heating properly with heating controls

+1 with Dtp on this. Kerosene stove for space heat plus separate Firebird/ Grant boiler for hot water aspect.

If you want standalone oil for you mum, go for it and look for new or used Nestor Martin / Efel.

They have models from 5, 8 or 10 kW rated outputs - and remember that's a constant regulated heat controlled by the Toby valve. It's quite unlike solid fuel whose output varies up and down dependent on how you ( constantly) stoke it with turf, logs, coal and so on.
Consumes around 1 litre per hour on max setting for the big models.
At about 60 cents a litre currently, it's unbeatable value for what it does.
Just get a good installer - proper 4 or 5 inch flexi flue with vermiculite and usual closure plates , fuel valve etc and it's ready to go. No mess or ashes to clean - plug and play you could say.

Do not be deterred, it will warm the space cozily and easily if well sized and installed. Most times mine is on 1/2 setting only.

If 5000 or 8000 or 10,000 Watts of steady state heat does not heat a defined space as previous poster claimed, then I suspect it's an application or install issue, not the fault of machine.

gctest50

Man of Aran wrote: »

If you want standalone oil for you mum, go for it and look for new or used Nestor Martin / Efel.........

Due to the voluntary liquidation of Efel and Nestor Martin we are endeavouring to maintain a supply of all commonly used spare parts, however there may be some delay on more unusual parts.

Man of Aran

gctest50 wrote: »

Well aware of all these stories of bankruptcy, factory fires, internal squabbles or moving production to Spain or China.
Would not have recommended if I felt it was a risk of obsolescence to his parent's house.

Fact is, there is no major technology in them or much to go wrong.
Biggest 'technology' component is the carburettor - like Toby valve, a Swiss company and not related to NM at all. Products used worldwide, not just on stoves for Efel NM or Franco Belge
After that is a vaporiser bowl and a rose.
Ignition is electric or in the event of power cut etc, you may use a lighter, wick as you would for say a gas stove.

On fuel supply side, there is an again std 3rd party fire valve called for by regulation - same as for say a Firebird/ Grant install.

There are dozens for sale weekly on DD or Adverts sites.
Worrying about spare parts is like saying you could not get parts for and old Ford Cortina or Fergy 20, long out of production.

P_Cash

Man of Aran wrote: »

+1 with Dtp on this. Kerosene stove for space heat plus separate Firebird/ Grant boiler for hot water aspect.

If you want standalone oil for you mum, go for it and look for new or used Nestor Martin / Efel.

They have models from 5, 8 or 10 kW rated outputs - and remember that's a constant regulated heat controlled by the Toby valve. It's quite unlike solid fuel whose output varies up and down dependent on how you ( constantly) stoke it with turf, logs, coal and so on.
Consumes around 1 litre per hour on max setting for the big models.
At about 60 cents a litre currently, it's unbeatable value for what it does.
Just get a good installer - proper 4 or 5 inch flexi flue with vermiculite and usual closure plates , fuel valve etc and it's ready to go. No mess or ashes to clean - plug and play you could say.

Do not be deterred, it will warm the space cozily and easily if well sized and installed. Most times mine is on 1/2 setting only.

If 5000 or 8000 or 10,000 Watts of steady state heat does not heat a defined space as previous poster claimed, then I suspect it's an application or install issue, not the fault of machine.

Cheers, funny u mention nester martin, i myself have a harmony solid fuel, heating dhw only, it's a mighty stove, and love so many things about it. Even the side shoot, 13 hr burn from a fill of coal.

Anyway, may i ask why u mention nester martin, versus a stanley.

I measured the room tonight, 13ft long, 14 wide, 9 ft ceiling say, what Nester would suit her. Stand alone

P_Cash

Harmony 5 ?

Calahonda52

OP, I do a bit of work with people of your mothers age and it is scary how something very small can influence their quality of life.
Therefore if I were you I would take the opportunity to make the compulsory heating independent of her and let her do the optional stuff such as the open fire, and even the stove, which should in my opinion be just a stove, no boiler

P_Cash

Calahonda52 wrote: »

OP, I do a bit of work with people of your mothers age and it is scary how something very small can influence their quality of life.
Therefore if I were you I would take the opportunity to make the compulsory heating independent of her and let her do the optional stuff such as the open fire, and even the stove, which should in my opinion be just a stove, no boiler

And having a boiler on a timer and thermo stats , with little input from anyone wouldnt suit her??

I don't follow your post.

Maybe i didnt explain, she's asking me to do this, research etc. . Get in what would be good to have should she ever get sick. .

Can you retype ur post

hanky panky

Anyone know anything about the henley druid stoves
30kw. Thinking of getting one are they good or bad heating
wise for rads.

Man of Aran

P_Cash wrote: »

Harmony 5 ?

PM sent with my opinion.

P_Cash

Man of Aran wrote: »

PM sent with my opinion.

Cheers for that, you know, ders an oil stove in my granny's house not in use any more, fitted about 10 yrs ago. Looks the same as a harmony.

Has a funny weird element that the oil burns around, rods shaped in a dome, bout the size of a half a football, smaller.

P_Cash

ok, been while so thought id update this thread,

i learnt a lot.

when people say an oil stove costs €20pw to run, there talking crap, when they say oh no, it costs €60 to run, they are also talking crap.


I had an efel/harmony II in a relatives house that was unused available to me for my mothers house. I knew it was a good stove, and well fit for the job.

when i dug futher:

its a harmony II stove, 10inch burner, 9000kw, large boiler,
flow rate .44 to 1.45 litres per hr.
this stove was running at setting 3, to heat the room and the 4 rads off it.
cost wise, it took in about .85L/hr, so thats 20.4 ltrs per day, and 142 ltrs per week if left on constant. at todays cost that would be €102 a week.

this way of heating rads is nuts, why? because its not thermostatically controlled, nothing shuts down if the house reaches the required temp.

contrast that to a stanley oisin, or a harmoney 5 or a stanford 21, with just room heat only,

flow rate of .18 to .6 say,
at setting 2/3 all day and night, .24ltrs per hr, thats 5.7 ltrs a day, and 40 ltrs a week, costing €29.


the difference here is massive i know, the rads will be heated with a grant boiler. on a thermo, with stats, and on a timer.

even though if this small stove is running even 12 hrs a day it will have the hse toasty at a cost of €14 a week, 9am-9pm. even if you allowed for 6 months of this , thats only €364 in total at todays oil cost mind you. .

i have the receipts to back up that the harmony II was eating 1000 ltrs of oil in 7/8 weeks over the winter., it wasnt heavily used in the last 3/4 years, but as oil was only .4/.5 a ltr in 2005 it probably didnt seem as bad. but the usage is crazy, which is probably why i see a few on done deal.

my advice is to look at the burner, what inch, and whats the flow rate on the tobby valve.

from what i can see, the stoves ill be looking at are:
Harmoney 5
Stanford 21
Stanley Oisin.

any questions, shoot them to me.


i laugh now when i see a thread with people saying stoves are a rip off to run, and another saying your smoking something. fighting away.
"they fail to say what they are comparing" . otherwise you could be comparing a 4 ltr petrol jeep versus a 1.6 diesel nissan car

as a room heat only + some, a small oil stove cannot be beaten:pac:

cowlick

Sorry I know this is an old thread but what stove did you choose in the end and is your mom happy with it?