Chuggers to require permits

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http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/nuisance-chuggers-must-have-a-permit-under-new-law-31001762.html

"Where people have had a difficulty is that they are approached more than once on the same street and find themselves having to say 'no' maybe four times.
"We hope that permits will only be issued where a new agreed code of practice is adhered to."
A spokesperson for Dublin City Council said it had contacted the Charities Regulatory Authority (CRA) recently after receiving a number of complaints from members of the public about the nuisance of chuggers.

Looks as if their agressive practices finally caught up with them.
I did enjoy one of the comments.

Arcants 22 minutes agoI love to ask them how much the CEO of the organisation is earning and then compare it to what they are getting and asking them what restaurant the CEO will lunch in today while they will probably only afford fast food.

Of course this is Ireland so with zero enforcement it will mean nothing, at best they'll be asked to move on.

shruikan2553

Its a good start, next gather everyone with a permit and put them on an island off the west coast and leave them there.

Sadly its only the direct debit guys.

RomanKnows

Few things more infuriating than walking down the street minding your own business only to be hassled by some beardy student wanker asking if he can have a word about Amnesty International.

"Can I have a word, Mate?"

'You can have two. Fück and You".

kingtiger

RomanKnows wrote: »

"Can I have a word, Mate?"

'You can have two. Fück and You".

why the hostility?

just say "no thanks" and keep walking I find that works, instead of being an arse

super_furry

Don't mind them on the street. They're easy to ignore and will give up with a shake of the head.

It's the pricks knocking on your door looking for your bank details that annoys me.

Grayson

Some of them are actually employees for the charity. Some are even volunteers (I think the Amnesty ones are volunteers). It's kinda annoying when it's just a contractor who really has nothing invested in the cause and is just spouting a speel they memorised.

It's still better than the religious ones holding up a banner and claiming that you need to repent or be saved. At least the chuggers are just asking for money and not your eternal devotion.

Banjo String

RomanKnows wrote: »

Few things more infuriating than walking down the street minding your own business only to be hassled by some beardy student wanker asking if he can have a word about Amnesty International.

"Can I have a word, Mate?"

'You can have two. Fück and You".

I have one that's more infuriating, pots bubbling on the stove, one kid crying for dinner, one with a dirty nappy, dog jumping around the sitting room, trying to get its nose buried into the contents of the nappy for a good auld sniff, then 'ding dong' .......

Open the front door to some gap-toothed smiler head, waving at ya, and , "hi there, can I talk to you for a minute about the poor kids in....."

Me, "you're grand thanks, I've problems here within my own 4 walls"...

" yeah, I can see you have the hands full, but this will only take.... "

**door shuts firmly**

AndonHandon

People expecting to get my money for nothing infuriate me whether it be chuggers or beggars. Fall off this Earth please or else earn it from me.

maximoose

kingtiger wrote: »

why the hostility?

just say "no thanks" and keep walking I find that works, instead of being an arse

I just ignore them, but if they weren't such insufferable arses themselves they'd probably receive less grief.

There's 5% of them that are polite, and ask nicely if you have a minute to talk - the other 95% seem to be having a competition to see who can be the biggest dick

"AWWWWWRITE MAAAAAATE" holding out their hand for a handshake, or open arms like they are expecting a bloody hug. Jumping around waving at you, following people down the street. Piss off.

hfallada

Its great to see DCC actually getting involved with matters people actually care about. Like putting restrictions on Buskers and hopefully chuggers.

They actually do something unlike the government who wait for a report, then a public consultant (aka allow lobby groups make the government dilute the legalisation to basically nothing). Then a few years later we have some form of law, that doesn't actually solve the issue

Mr Freeze

Hope this applies to the ones that come to your door too.

Some of those are really hard to get rid of.

I just tell them now: Sorry I will save you a few minutes, if this is a direct debit sign up I can't give my details out and I can't afford it anyways, really sorry. /Start closing door.

Once a fella shouted in at me as I closing the door: do you know how many kids die a day of starvation? He was quite aggressive.

anncoates

Always say something like, 'I'm in a rush sorry' (in a mild tone) and walk on.

If they persist, follow or purposely block my way though, they get told to fcuk off.

skooterblue2

People we are agreed that "charity benefits those who recieve as well as those that give"

But these are not regular charities .... these are corporate businesses with pension schemes and CEO that earn a minimum of €80k per annum..... See Central remedial Clinic Teddy bear scandal last year. Using charity to top up salary bonuses.

So how much of what you give goes in Administration, salaries, promotion, advertising, professional fees........etc etc?

And how much actually arrives at its intended destination for the recipient?

skooterblue2

The best thing I find is to talk to them about how Jehovah loves them and always carry a copy of "the Watch Tower", see how they like it....

I once had the Jehovah Witness come to my door, I looked shiftily out side the door and enthuastically invited them in..... They declined and never returned, I was so devastated.

yellowlabrador

All you have to say is that you don't have a bank account and they lose interest in you.

Paddy Cow

Can we also have permits for the who ones that turn up at your door trying to get you to change electricity provider? I had three turn up yesterday at work when I was busy and I thought I'd never get rid of them. Pain in the arse they are.

4zn76tysfajdxp

RomanKnows wrote: »

Few things more infuriating than walking down the street minding your own business only to be hassled by some beardy student wanker asking if he can have a word about Amnesty International.

"Can I have a word, Mate?"

'You can have two. Fück and You".

You seem like a real go-getter, telling it like it is and throwing hand grenades into gardens of delusion. You could be the next Clarkson.

circadian

I remember rushing to get a bus up north for an emergency and one of these heads jumps in front of me. I told him I was in a hurry but he kept jumping in front of me and eventually tripped me in his hopping around.

I'm not normally an aggressive person but I was under a lot of stress at the time so I told him if he so much as looked at me sideways he'd be sh*tting teeth for a week.

Fair enough, I agree that there are many worse off than me. Even in Ireland. I don't need some goon that's barely gone further than Maynooth to inform me of that. I've visited many third world countries and the things I seen are burned into my mind. I can't even imagine how bad the things I didn't see were.

Most of them are grand and leave you alone with a no thanks or whatever. It's the hyperactive aggresive ones that need to realise we all have our own problems too.

Another point, I was a chugger for about half a day when I was 19. I couldn't handle it as the seniors were pushing us to be aggressive. I wouldn't want to be treated like that, so why should I do it to others.

kneemos

So they all apply for permits...status quo.

The Aussie

There is this fatty chugger here in Cork who waddles in your way as a human road block in a attempt to stop you, she does needs a Wide Load permit...

jamesbere

They don't bother me, I just politely say no thanks. Don't understand why people get aggressive towards them. Seems to be alot of bitter people on here.

coffeepls

In this day and age of data protection, online fraud etc, what is anybody thinking by giving their bank account details to create a direct authorised deduction from your account to a person on the street advocating a good cause.
That to me is ludicrous.

I very definitely detest the chuggers who are looking for bank details for their worthy charity. I don't doubt the validity of the charity or it's work, but they do employ a tactic to try to stop members of the public. Though they would have a hard time engaging me in conversation (I walk on regardless), I do see, on a regular basis, people desperately trying to be polite by stopping to listen, and then embarrassed telling the chugger they don't want to donate.

I work in the city near Liffey St that has a steady flow of three charities I can think of using chuggers.

It's easy to say 'walk on by' or 'say you're busy' or 'be rude if they pester you'. That is not so easy for everyone. Go for a coffee with a good view of chuggers in action and you will see this too.

seamusk84

Already been said but it's the ones calling to the door that are the problem now.
With the permit for street chuggers this is going to get a lot worse, they will switch to coming to your door.
Was thinking of putting up a sign on the door stating "No unsolicited callers".....Problem is the wife thinks that's weird so I'm not allowed do it.

RomanKnows

Juan Helpful Gynecologist wrote: »

You seem like a real go-getter, telling it like it is and throwing hand grenades into gardens of delusion. You could be the next Clarkson.

Clarkson? Less of the personals please.

I think I might need to invest in a Strutter Bubble.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VC-pvJ-2KQQ

AudreyHepburn

I agree Chuggers can be annoying but there is no need to be rude or aggressive. Just politely tell them no and move on.

cloud493

Some of the chuggers in Dublin city centre are ridiculously aggressive. You have to be firm with them, or they won't get the message. Some of the things they've said to me...

'if you gave up smoking, imagine how many childrens lives you'll save'
'so your ok with being directly responsible for children too young to fend for themselves starving to death'
'fair enough, be selfish and keep your money'

Load of pricks.

Duggy747

Have had nothing but bad experiences with them

The ones who knock at the door can completely fúck off. I accidentally opened the door to one a few months back because I thought it was the pizza guy, she wanted me to put my credit card details into her iPhone.

Told her no and she tried grilling me on why I "didn't care about Syria", lecturing me as if I never heard of the Middle-East. I was being too nice and foolishly mentioned I already worked with charities (I actually was at the time) when she snapped back at me with "Who.........who are they?"

Right at that moment the pizza guy shows up and she says with a grimace: "Well, if you can afford those then why can't you help the refugees!?!"

My niceness and patience was worn so I just told her to piss off and closed the door.

Knasher

I usually just ask them for their bank account details. But for some reason they seem reluctant to give them to some random person on the side of the road...

The Aussie

jamesbere wrote: »

They don't bother me, I just politely say no thanks. Don't understand why people get aggressive towards them. Seems to be alot of bitter people on here.

The ones who take No for an answer and let you get on with your day are grand, thoses that don't are the ones that draw ire, if you have not come across them you obviously have not come across many chiggers or you are a chugger yourself

OldNotWIse

kingtiger wrote: »

why the hostility?

just say "no thanks" and keep walking I find that works, instead of being an arse

Well it would if they didn't follow up with passive aggressive retorts. Seriously, most chuggers are bigger árses than anyone walking down the street minding their own f.ucking business. And tbh, anyone who initiates an interaction by deliberately standing in front of you and blocking your path or interrupting an obvious conversation you are having with the person you are walking with has no place demanding that they are treated with courtesy.

jamesbere

The Aussie wrote: »

The ones who take No for an answer and let you get on with your day are grand, thoses that don't are the ones that draw ire, if you have not come across them you obviously have not come across many chiggers or you are a chugger yourself

If they don't take no for an answer, ask to look at there Id and report them. F**king them out of it won't stop them

Iranoutofideas

I turned around to one persistent ****er in Limerick and said - "I'm sorry I don't speak English."

His baffled expression was priceless

Garzard

kingtiger wrote: »

why the hostility?

just say "no thanks" and keep walking I find that works, instead of being an arse

Chuggers are a plague and should be banned - they're no better than the aggressive beggars and addicts in the city centre who annoy you at seemingly every street, bus stop and ATM for change they don't need. Nobody should have the right to force anyone into donating or attempt to manipulate them into doing so either. I've no time for charity workers who hassle people this way. It's an abhorrent method of soliciting donations tbh.

keanosbeard

Its just the false sincerity.

This week Labradors with bad back who can no longer lick their own testicles.

Next week lesser spotted Bolivian newts.

Its just a spiel and you are just a number.

Now, if they were sincere enough to be doing it for free and actually cared about the cause they are buttonholing you for, that is quite a different matter.

The Aussie

jamesbere wrote: »

If they don't take no for an answer, ask to look at there Id and report them. F**king them out of it won't stop them

What is the easiest most satisfying way of dealing with this situation?

Having a cry threatening to report them or tell them exactly what you think of their pathetic career choice, I will stick with the latter thanks

tritium

Hate chuggers, too many haven't the cop on to understand 'no'. Can be quite satisfying sometimes to point out I'd rather slowly boil my own testicles than donate a cent to Amnesty though....

Lingua Franca

I was nabbed by chuggers several times yesterday. At one central junction there was a full crowd of them and I'd get a different one jumping in front me every few minutes. The fact that I was carrying a clipboard and folder of my own along with a messenger bag and a camera over my shoulder did not deter them. I'm not a chugger, but I was working and far too busy to be getting stopped every few minutes and have to politely explain that I wasn't interested, not eligible and hadn't the time. It's a foul thing to do for a living. And there are other jobs out there that don't involve hustling people in the street. Mine, for example. I'm currently doing the work of 5.

Mint Aero

My ma was right. You can't do anything nowadays without someone in this country trying to take your money. Come out of a bank, credit union, shop and there's some turd standing there waiting. Go into a shop and there's turds at the end of the checkout waiting to pack and take your change. Turn on the TV and there's some rich prick on promoting their charity and looking for your money, it's endless.

Lingua Franca

Sit in your house of an evening and they call to your door looking your money... Your mother is right.

Mesrine65

Mr Freeze wrote: »

Hope this applies to the ones that come to your door too.

Some of those are really hard to get rid of.

Release the hounds...

who the fug

kingtiger wrote: »

why the hostility?

just say "no thanks" and keep walking I find that works, instead of being an arse

Because they invade my space.

Always feel sorry for two yank mormons who interrupted my hung over pissed off with life mood on empire way in London once.

****ed them , God and life for a solid minute, and left two shell shocked young yanks.

Guy:Incognito

What they need to do after they introduce licences is to add layer upon layer of bureaucracy and red tape that makes it impossible to get one. Whole problem solved :-)

Tarzana2

jamesbere wrote: »

They don't bother me, I just politely say no thanks. Don't understand why people get aggressive towards them. Seems to be alot of bitter people on here.

I've witnessed chuggers run after people in the street.

BlatentCheek

I think chuggers are merely a very visible symptom of charity becoming an industry, which is the real disease.

An unnecessarily large amount of charities compete with one another for the same donations to do the same job. All seem to have a board on six figure salaries and treat donors more like dupes to be sweet-talked, shamed or tricked into giving money. The result is a woefully inefficient charity sector that puts its own interests first and leaves people increasingly cynical about charity in the first place.

Witness the disgraceful revelations about Rehab last year for an example of this at its worst.

foggy_lad

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

What they need to do after they introduce licences is to add layer upon layer of bureaucracy and red tape that makes it impossible to get one. Whole problem solved :-)

They already require permits afaik, what difference will adding licensing to the mix be except requiring another government Quango to oversee them?

rubadub

jamesbere wrote: »

They don't bother me, I just politely say no thanks. Don't understand why people get aggressive towards them. Seems to be alot of bitter people on here.

I don't understand how you don't get it. They want to make it absolutely clear that they do not find this job an acceptable one to take up. If their dog is crapping in the kitchen they do not kindly say "oh please don't do that", they roar at them, to make them understand they did something wrong.

The last thing many people want to do is to make it appear like this job is a nice one, and risk that chugger telling his friends they should take it up too and that there are no downsides.

I would like to see it outlawed, especially door to door chuggers the legality of which gives a perfect alibi for burglars casing out houses.

It is a job many think should not exist, its not a necessary evil like some professions traditionally hated by the public, e.g. traffic wardens. The "I'm just doing my job" is no excuse at all.

If a billionaire invented a job and had you going about the streets scraping your fingernails on a little blackboard and farting all day you would similarly be "just doing a job", and you would be a complete and utter cunt to take up such a job.

Penny Tration

jamesbere wrote: »

They don't bother me, I just politely say no thanks. Don't understand why people get aggressive towards them. Seems to be alot of bitter people on here.

I get aggressive when they get aggressive. No bitterness involved.


I've had several follow me down the street, shouting at me. They're told to fcuk off.

The ones who accept my polite 'no, thanks' are happily left to do their work.

The one who roared abuse at my then 15 year old sister for not buying a scratch card was fcuked out of it for ten minutes in the middle of Henry Street, reported to the charity and according to the callback I received, was fired.

Being polite is fine, if they are also polite.

Unfortunately, about 20% are complete cnuts.

corner of hells

I think most chuggers in Ireland are employed not by the individual charity but by a company called Total Fundraising/Fundraisers or something like that.

They in turn charge the charity a fixed fee for their services.

Most charities wouldn't have the staff or money to hit the street and chug.

Pie and Mash

One very aggressive door step chugger really upset my husband, he politely declined and she launched into a cancer rant 'did he know this and did he know that' ,his Father was dieing from cancer at the time.....

nlgbbbblth

It's depressing to see comments asking for tolerance towards chuggers.
They're a much bigger problem than buskers, drug addicts or beggars.

Their brand of bullying and intimidation should not be entertained. Any charity that uses them will never get another cent from me. I'd rather burn the money in their face, KLF-style.

I am surprised that more people haven't been up in court for assaulting chuggers.

bnt

The whole "chugger" business model is flawed, in my opinion. When I choose a charity, I do my homework and take my time about it. It's not the kind of decision to make in the middle of the street. But some people clearly do fall for the street sell, otherwise the chuggers wouldn't still be doing it.