License issued in error.

barry181091

So, a week ago I received a letter from the NDLS telling me that they issued my learner permit to me in error (A year ago!) and I should not have been given it due to age restrictions on cat. A. I remember at the time I specifically asked about this and the attendant said it was fine.

Is there anything I can do about this or do I have no choice but to give it back?

Vologda69

barry181091 wrote: »

So, a week ago I received a letter from the NDLS telling me that they issued my learner permit to me in error (A year ago!) and I should not have been given it due to age restrictions on cat. A. I remember at the time I specifically asked about this and the attendant said it was fine.

Is there anything I can do about this or do I have no choice but to give it back?

A new age restriction of 24 was introduced for the learner permit in the A (unrestricted) motorcycle in Jan 2013. A lot of permits were issued on error to people under that age. You have no choice but to get your licence corrected (probably removing the A). Otherwise RSA will cancel your licence and probably void your insurance in the process. Best to do as instructed.

Roadcraft

Vologda69 wrote: »

A new age restriction of 24 was introduced for the learner permit in the A (unrestricted) motorcycle in Jan 2013. A lot of permits were issued on error to people under that age. You have no choice but to get your licence corrected (probably removing the A). Otherwise RSA will cancel your licence and probably void your insurance in the process. Best to do as instructed.

Also the permit is not valid unitl you have completed your IBT training & you have your IBT cert to carry with your permit.

If you are under 24 you could have not completed IBT for category 'A'

cantdecide

Roadcraft wrote: »

Also the permit is not valid unitl you have completed your IBT training & you have your IBT cert to carry with your permit.

If you are under 24 you could have not completed IBT for category 'A'

Where do holders of A2 under 24 stand without IBT? IS it not like EDT where you drive away mad accompanied but can't apply for a test? In other words, what mechanism is in place to enforce IBT?

Roadcraft

cantdecide wrote: »

Where do holders of A2 under 24 stand without IBT? IS it not like EDT where you drive away mad accompanied but can't apply for a test? In other words, what mechanism is in place to enforce IBT?

Anyone starting out on a motorcycle in any category 'AM', 'A1', 'A2' or 'A' must complete an IBT training course before their permit is valid.

Up to the Guards to inforce the law, if you were to drive with no permit, licence, insurance, expired IBT cert, etc.

As you stated above the rules for car learner permits are different, you permit is valid from date of issue.

Also IBT certs issued from 19/01/2013 are only valid for two years, older certs are valid as long as you keep your permit valid.

cantdecide

Roadcraft wrote: »

Also IBT certs issued from 19/01/2013 are only valid for two years, older certs are valid as long as you keep your permit valid.

So you have to repeat your IBT if you don't pass a test within 2 years?

Roadcraft

cantdecide wrote: »

So you have to repeat your IBT if you don't pass a test within 2 years?

Yes, or if you are the right age & want to move up a category, complete IBT module 5 in the higher category & get a new cert with two years on it.

cantdecide

Roadcraft wrote: »

Yes, or if you are the right age & want to move up a category, complete IBT module 5 in the higher category & get a new cert with two years on it.

What's the logic behind it? I think it's a bit harsh on the face of it. You don't have to repeat EDT if you don't pass your test for example...

Roadcraft

cantdecide wrote: »

What's the logic behind it? I think it's a bit harsh on the face of it. You don't have to repeat EDT if you don't pass your test for example...

I dont see the point in repeating myself, but the IBT cert can now be used to progress to a full licence (without test) so it must have the same expiry (two years) as a driving test pass cert.

cantdecide

Roadcraft wrote: »

I dont see the point in repeating myself, but the IBT cert can now be used to progress to a full licence (without test) so it must have the same expiry (two years) as a driving test pass cert.

Maybe I'm just slow today but since progressive access hasn't been a possibility until now but with all due respect I don't see the repetition. It's difficult to confine IBT discussion correctly as certs are used for different reasons with ever changing rules depending on the riders age, licence and permit history and so on. I do apologise if I felt that I might be misunderstanding you when you say that a rider that can't/ doesn't get around to a practical test in a timely manner will have to fork out €500+ for IBT 2 years after completing it as it does sound very unfair to me

Roadcraft

cantdecide wrote: »

Maybe I'm just slow today but since progressive access hasn't been a possibility until now but with all due respect I don't see the repetition. It's difficult to confine IBT discussion correctly as certs are used for different reasons with ever changing rules depending on the riders age, licence and permit history and so on. I do apologise if I felt that I might be misunderstanding you when you say that a rider that can't/ doesn't get around to a practical test in a timely manner will have to fork out €500+ for IBT 2 years after completing it as it does sound very unfair to me

Sorry, I ment "I dont see the point in repeating the IBT course myself".
I agree with you.