heat detection

charolais0153

I have tried locking the calfs out from the cows morning and evening. im giving the cows 1.5 kgs of dairy nuts any tips on how to get the cows bulling .vasectomised bull out of question no space In shed for him. the cows are an average of around 60 days calfed.any tips?

LivInt20

charolais0153 wrote: »

I have tried locking the calfs out from the cows morning and evening. im giving the cows 1.5 kgs of dairy nuts any tips on how to get the cows bulling .vasectomised bull out of question no space In shed for him. the cows are an average of around 60 days calfed.any tips?

Change nut from dairy nuts. Dairy nut too high in protein, the cows need plenty of energy. Barley would do along with good quality silage.

I presume you mean you only let the calves suck twice a day. This is the right way. Even better if you can let the calves out during the day, out of sight from the cows, to break the bond.

Try heat detection aids. Estrotect or AI Alert works well.

60 days calved for sucklers isn't too bad. 60 + 286 would leave a calving interval of 346.

mahoney_j

charolais0153 wrote: »

I have tried locking the calfs out from the cows morning and evening. im giving the cows 1.5 kgs of dairy nuts any tips on how to get the cows bulling .vasectomised bull out of question no space In shed for him. the cows are an average of around 60 days calfed.any tips?

Minerals minerals and more minerals ,also do u know Ibr status of herd.at 60 days calved there should be lots of activity.dairy nuts are fine,14/16% p should be ok.whats ufl ??.should be at least 0.96.ufl= energy content

frazzledhome

charolais0153 wrote: »

I have tried locking the calfs out from the cows morning and evening. im giving the cows 1.5 kgs of dairy nuts any tips on how to get the cows bulling .vasectomised bull out of question no space In shed for him. the cows are an average of around 60 days calfed.any tips?

How many times per day are you looking at them for signs of heat. What heat signs are you looking for?

deerejohn

To be honest, I think its time to be getting proactive at 60 days in sucklers. If anything doesn't hold to a serve in the next 10 days, you are losing time.
If you can get them scanned and if they are not shut down(and getting a little meal they shouldn't be) I would aim to have all bred within 15 days.
Scanning will reveal what will respond to pg, need a cidr, come in on their own, dirty or shut down. My brother is constantly hitting 65% pregnant on a single serve. 1 farm(good operators) had 17 out 22 pregnant to a sycronoised single serve.
Not cheap at probably close to 50 euro a head all in, but surely 17 uniform Ai calves would more than double the cost involved

charolais0153

frazzledhome wrote: »

How many times per day are you looking at them for signs of heat. What heat signs are you looking for?

usually look at them when feeding morning and evening and have a glance at them throughout the day

jus_tin4

Having the same problem here as well, all getting all above, but not much improvement....

frazzledhome

charolais0153 wrote: »

usually look at them when feeding morning and evening and have a glance at them throughout the day

Usually looking TAD to me means that your not looking at them twice every day but sometimes you do!! If you want to go unassisted heat detection you have to live with them. I'm wondering if your observation is a problem. At this stage you have missed heats

onyerbikepat

Chances are cows are coming in heat but you are not spotting them?
Is this your first year at heat detection?

Charliebull

charolais0153 wrote: »

usually look at them when feeding morning and evening and have a glance at them throughout the day

very hard to get cows at feeding time, your best bet is in between feeds and some cows wont rise on slats so look out for other signs

LivInt20

charolais0153 wrote: »

usually look at them when feeding morning and evening and have a glance at them throughout the day

If you are feeding them you will not see them in heat.

Cows will feed themselves rather than show any signs of heat.

Check them early in the morning and late at night.

Feed them at some other time.

Greengrass1

Charliebull wrote: »

very hard to get cows at feeding time, your best bet is in between feeds and some cows wont rise on slats so look out for other signs

Spot on. Keep feed pushed up all day.
Put tail paint on.
That's all we use here on cows. Looked at morning and evening and always get them all.
Have you ever had trouble before catching them?

charolais0153

mahoney_j wrote: »

Minerals minerals and more minerals ,also do u know Ibr status of herd.at 60 days calved there should be lots of activity.dairy nuts are fine,14/16% p should be ok.whats ufl ??.should be at least 0.96.ufl= energy content

o so like a post calver mineral mix to throw on the silage. no ibr.they are roches dairy nut 16 %protein don't know ingredients

charolais0153

onyerbikepat wrote: »

Chances are cows are coming in heat but you are not spotting them?
Is this your first year at heat detection?

no 3-4 yrs

White Clover

As another poster said, try to get calves out during the day. It breaks the bond and the cows will show stronger heats. Cows are probably bulling away but not showing it.

joejobrien

If they are on a slats/ concrete it could very well be a reason for slow signs of heat. Could you get them out to a paddock perhaps.
Could floor of shed be greasy? Animals will be reluctant to bull each other if there is risk of injury to themselves

limo_100

do any of use use suckler cow nuts designed for them and them alone? you'd imagine that should help them come a bulling. I havnt used it yet but im thinking bout it this year as they calf give it to them and its very high in minerials. has anyone on here used it??

http://kiernanmilling.ie/store-beef-range/

second row down black and orange bag

dodo mommy

Like most of the above have said lockout calf's and tail paint it works wounders around here some cows coming in heat after 28 days never seen them show signs of heat so soon after calfing as this year.

charolais0153

dodo mommy wrote: »

Like most of the above have said lockout calf's and tail paint it works wounders around here some cows coming in heat after 28 days never seen them show signs of heat so soon after calfing as this year.

i have some cows that once they are 6weeks calfed they come bulling .today a cow came bulling but we are culling her ,a bit of salt in a wound