EDT 12 Driving Lessons?

fontdor

Hello everyone. I was wondering in relation to the driving lessons you must do before you can do your test for a full drivers licence can you do the 12 lessons in 1 week? As in can you do 2 lessons a day or does all of the 12 lessons have to be done in 2 weeks? I have had my learner permit for about 1 year now but due to study reasons and stuff I couldn't go an do the lessons.

ProudDUB

There is no official time limit for how often you can do your 12 EDT lessons. You can do them at any rate, and at any time frame that you choose. However, it may be hard to find an instructor that would be willing to do all 12 lessons in a very short time frame, as you are supposed to be doing practice driving in between each lesson. When you first get your learner permit, you have to wait 6 months before you can do your test. But as you have already had your permit for a year, that won't apply to you.

Craftylee

If your license is over 6 months old (and still valid) you can fly through the EDT lessons as fast as you like. However doing this doesn't mean you're ready for the test in any shape or means. My advice, do the 12 lessons and see what your instructor says, oh and do pre-tests with them.

cliftonpat

Anyone out there know if the driving instructor is obliged to stamp the log book or can they just say no and hence get more business as a result

Ranchu

cliftonpat wrote: »

Anyone out there know if the driving instructor is obliged to stamp the log book or can they just say no and hence get more business as a result

I had an instructor try this. I did my lessons in 2 hour blocks and he attempted to only stamp for one lesson for every 2 hours. I just waited till all 12 hours were done and made him fill in the rest of the book. I did a couple of lessons again before my test but didn't go near the original instructor.

cliftonpat

Thanks but the instructor is refusing to do that

Ranchu

cliftonpat wrote: »

Thanks but the instructor is refusing to do that

Is he independent or part of a company? If you have your receipts and he advertises hour long lessons tell him you'll take him to the small claims court. Also make it very clear that you won't engage in any further lessons with him either way.

I did have to be very firm with my instructor and I think I gave him a bit of a fright the way I went about it with him. He was fully expecting to get away with it.

ProudDUB

The log book doesn't matter anymore, other than you having a paper record of the lesson being done. The testers no longer look at it on the day of your test. To sit your driving test, the 12 lessons have to be logged as being done on the RSA's website. If they aren't, you can't schedule a driving test. I'd be more worried about him not doing that, than I would putting a stamp in a log book.

Ranchu

If he stamps the log book you have a record that the lessons are done though so can dispute it easier.

My brother had issues with a motorbike instructor taking the piss around the same time I did with the EDT. The guy I did mine with was from one of the bigger Irish schools as well. Ropey bunch at best.

ProudDUB

Ranchu wrote: »

If he stamps the log book you have a record that the lessons are done though so can dispute it easier.

Yes, he does. I am not saying that he shouldn't get the log book stamped. But if the instructor doesn't log the lessons online, it has to be a major pain getting the issue resolved, if the instructor just refuses to answer the phone or talk about it. It's not like there is a test scheduling office that you can just walk into, you show them your log book & they give you a test date there and then. Maybe the NDLS centres can do it, but I don't know.

challengemaster

cliftonpat wrote: »

Thanks but the instructor is refusing to do that

Report it to the RSA.

loobylou

By stamping the book an ADI is signing off that he/she has delivered the content of that EDT module. A "lesson" and an EDT "lesson" are not necessarily the same thing. Its a pity this distinction was not made more apparent when EDT was first introduced.
EDT is a structured syllabus, each module quite distinct. For it to be effective a student is expected to practice the skills learned before moving on to the next module. Where this does not happen, it may be pointless (from a learning perspective) for an ADI to continue delivering EDT.
The ADI would be doing a disservice to the student by pressing ahead.
The problems above seem to be a lack of communication, for which I would primarily blame the ADI.

cliftonpat

Many thanks to all for the suggestions and advice all of them taken on board am taking the matter up with the Rsa but it is very unclear as it is the instructors word against mine and what makes them qualified to say whether or not I am doing it to standard or not surely that is what the driving tester is for

Ranchu

loobylou wrote: »

By stamping the book an ADI is signing off that he/she has delivered the content of that EDT module. A "lesson" and an EDT "lesson" are not necessarily the same thing. Its a pity this distinction was not made more apparent when EDT was first introduced.
EDT is a structured syllabus, each module quite distinct. For it to be effective a student is expected to practice the skills learned before moving on to the next module. Where this does not happen, it may be pointless (from a learning perspective) for an ADI to continue delivering EDT.
The ADI would be doing a disservice to the student by pressing ahead.
The problems above seem to be a lack of communication, for which I would primarily blame the ADI.

That's true but the EDT should take 12 lessons. The customers pays for 12 lessons and should expect their EDT to be uploaded after these lessons are done.

You won't see an instructor offering their time for free if they have failed to advance their student in the time paid for and you should not expect the student to have to pay more on top of the already expensive lessons. It's an easy scam for instructors to take the lessons slowly and try and bully the student in to paying for more lessons. Again my instructor did it and only stamped 6 lessons for 12 hours. He stamped the rest when I put his car keys in my pocket at the end and insisted he stamp them.

J_R

cliftonpat wrote: »

Many thanks to all for the suggestions and advice all of them taken on board am taking the matter up with the Rsa but it is very unclear as it is the instructors word against mine and what makes them qualified to say whether or not I am doing it to standard or not surely that is what the driving tester is for

Hi,

when the EDT was launched the relevant regulations: -

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2011/en/si/0173.html

However para :-

(3) A person undergoing lessons 1 to 8 of Essential Driver Training for Car Drivers is not entitled to progress to the next lesson or any subsequent lesson of the course unless he or she has demonstrated the necessary knowledge and ability for the procedures and processes of the proceeding lesson of the course to the satisfaction of the instructor.

was very quickly changed by :-
http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2012/en/si/0004.html
To:-

(3) A person may only undergo each of lessons 2 to 8 of Essential Driver Training for Car Drivers if he or she holds a logbook issued to him or her on which an instructor has signed and stamped the pages relating to the immediately preceding lesson as set out in the Schedule.


(3A) A person may only undergo any of lessons 9 to 12 of Essential Driver Training for Car Drivers if he or she holds a logbook issued to him or her on which an instructor has signed and stamped the pages relating to lesson 8.”.

Note the highlighted Red has been removed. He must give credit for each one (1) hour lesson. He can pf course recommend more lessons but he can not legally hold a pupil to ransom.



( There may be a new Amendment re the logbook)

LawlessBoy

cliftonpat wrote: »

Anyone out there know if the driving instructor is obliged to stamp the log book or can they just say no and hence get more business as a result

Had it happen to me too. Same thing basically tried to tell me i had 3 EDT lessons done after 6 hours worth of lessons even though according to him while the lessons wore taking place i was more then capable of driving at a good enough standard to pass the test.

I finally got it stamped and logged online and changed instructors

cliftonpat

Interesting J R thanks

loobylou

Ranchu wrote: »

That's true but the EDT should take 12 lessons. The customers pays for 12 lessons and should expect their EDT to be uploaded after these lessons are done.

You won't see an instructor offering their time for free if they have failed to advance their student in the time paid for and you should not expect the student to have to pay more on top of the already expensive lessons. It's an easy scam for instructors to take the lessons slowly and try and bully the student in to paying for more lessons. Again my instructor did it and only stamped 6 lessons for 12 hours. He stamped the rest when I put his car keys in my pocket at the end and insisted he stamp them.

EDT does take 12 lessons. Many times people need more than this, especially students who have no access to a car to practice independently.
A problem may arise where people have block booked 12 EDT's. If they don't make the progress expected, what is the ADI supposed to do? Press on with the syllabus regardless, delivering content too advanced to be of any real benefit to the student, or consolidate where they're at? In my view, the latter is better for BOTH parties. Obviously, this needs to be discussed with the student, the cases cited in this thread appear not to have been, which is where the problems have arisen.
In your own example, it would appear that YOU bullied HIM into stamping the book, making him sign off on content he most likely hadn't delivered.

Ranchu

loobylou wrote: »

EDT does take 12 lessons. Many times people need more than this, especially students who have no access to a car to practice independently.
A problem may arise where people have block booked 12 EDT's. If they don't make the progress expected, what is the ADI supposed to do? Press on with the syllabus regardless, delivering content too advanced to be of any real benefit to the student, or consolidate where they're at? In my view, the latter is better for BOTH parties. Obviously, this needs to be discussed with the student, the cases cited in this thread appear not to have been, which is where the problems have arisen.
In your own example, it would appear that YOU bullied HIM into stamping the book, making him sign off on content he most likely hadn't delivered.

I did of course. He wanted to charge me double than what I initially paid him to do. As the op said it's subjective and open to abuse. I was well able to drive by the time my 12 lessons were done and had my licence not long after. The guy was a chancer.

Craftylee

Ideally you want them marked as complete after 12 lessons - then book your test and keep practicing in the meantime. Until all 12 are marked as done by the RSA you won't be entered into the driving test queue.

You can login to view the progress of your EDT lessons here:

https://ccwdriver.rsa.ie/driver/driverlogin.aspx

MascotDec85

Ranchu wrote: »

That's true but the EDT should take 12 lessons. The customers pays for 12 lessons and should expect their EDT to be uploaded after these lessons are done.

You won't see an instructor offering their time for free if they have failed to advance their student in the time paid for and you should not expect the student to have to pay more on top of the already expensive lessons. It's an easy scam for instructors to take the lessons slowly and try and bully the student in to paying for more lessons. Again my instructor did it and only stamped 6 lessons for 12 hours. He stamped the rest when I put his car keys in my pocket at the end and insisted he stamp them.

Eh? The instructor failing to advance the pupil?

You are aware that a) everyone learns at different rates, b) pupils are supposed to practice between lessons. Obviously, for differing reasons, pupil might not be able to. They therefore might not have the ability to move onto the next level and may need some practice before taking the next EDT lesson. What should an ADI do then, carry on regardless? ADI's are there to teach people to drive safely, not rush through 12 lessons for the sake of it. The aim should always be to advance to the next lesson where possible though.

Any honest and competent instructor will explain this to each and every pupil before they start with them. The EDT info booklet also explains that practice is required/recommended pre-edt and after each EDT lesson. It also states that completing the 12 EDT lesson won't guarantee that the pupil is a competent driver.

LesVerts

I just booked my driving test last week, but after reading this thread I checked my edt online and saw that none of them are marked, I did the edt lessons about 3 years ago and have all them stamped as edt lessons in the book. Is the book enough for me to use for the test or do I have to ring up the instructor and get the online one sorted?

MascotDec85

LesVerts wrote: »

I just booked my driving test last week, but after reading this thread I checked my edt online and saw that none of them are marked, I did the edt lessons about 3 years ago and have all them stamped as edt lessons in the book. Is the book enough for me to use for the test or do I have to ring up the instructor and get the online one sorted?

They need to be uploaded

Craftylee

LesVerts wrote: »

I just booked my driving test last week, but after reading this thread I checked my edt online and saw that none of them are marked, I did the edt lessons about 3 years ago and have all them stamped as edt lessons in the book. Is the book enough for me to use for the test or do I have to ring up the instructor and get the online one sorted?

Yeah they need to be marked as complete online - I'd call the RSA and see what can be done. You currently won't even be in the queue for a test, even if it's booked.

LesVerts

I rang my instructor and he said he uploaded all of them online . But nothing is showing up for me. I got my second learner permit recently and changed my name on it, would that be the cause of it? I never checked before with the old permit, so Im not sure if they were up before.

MascotDec85

LesVerts wrote: »

I rang my instructor and he said he uploaded all of them online . But nothing is showing up for me. I got my second learner permit recently and changed my name on it, would that be the cause of it? I never checked before with the old permit, so Im not sure if they were up before.

Try again. Use the same driver number and your original name. It shouldn't matter but it's a way of checking

LesVerts

MascotDec85 wrote: »

Try again. Use the same driver number and your original name. It shouldn't matter but it's a way of checking

I've tried , just shows the lesson titles , no ticks or which instructor it was completed by. Doesn't show my log book number either.

MascotDec85

LesVerts wrote: »

I've tried , just shows the lesson titles , no ticks or which instructor it was completed by. Doesn't show my log book number either.

Doesn't sound like they're uploaded

LesVerts

MascotDec85 wrote: »

Doesn't sound like they're uploaded

Well theres not much point in ringing my instructor again as he said hes done it. will the RSA or someone be able to sort it? I have the logbook with all the stamps.

MascotDec85

LesVerts wrote: »

Well theres not much point in ringing my instructor again as he said hes done it. will the RSA or someone be able to sort it? I have the logbook with all the stamps.

Screenshot your EDT page from you phone/pc and show it to your instructor. Take it from there

The_N4sir

Edit: Nevermind misread post

dereks

I only have one lesson left to complete, personally i think 8-10 lessons would be appropriate the way it's structured. A lot of the later lessons the expected outcomes are vague, monotonous or common sense.

I would like to see the instructor and pupil have more input into the process. For example, I've reversed around a corner once; done the turnabout once, in lesson 6 I think.

These are the type of things i'd like to practice with my instructor. I think you should have a couple of lessons to be able to focus on what your instructor or you feel you need to practice on.

The way it’s structured, it’s assumes everyone is at the same level at each lesson, which they are not.

JamboMac

dereks wrote: »

I only have one lesson left to complete, personally i think 8-10 lessons would be appropriate the way it's structured. A lot of the later lessons the expected outcomes are vague, monotonous or common sense.

I would like to see the instructor and pupil have more input into the process. For example, I've reversed around a corner once; done the turnabout once, in lesson 6 I think.

These are the type of things i'd like to practice with my instructor. I think you should have a couple of lessons to be able to focus on what your instructor or you feel you need to practice on.

The way it’s structured, it’s assumes everyone is at the same level at each lesson, which they are not.

Every one of my lessons after number 4 I would have practiced reversing around corners and turnabouts.

I did them in 2 hour blocks as I found it better.

Your mainly judged on observations in the reverse and turnabout.

Diego Murphy

I understand that you need to wait six months before sitting the test. But can I book a test before that. As in if there's a waiting list of two months, can I book a test, assuming I've the 12 edt lessons done, after 4 months.

JamboMac

Diego Murphy wrote: »

I understand that you need to wait six months before sitting the test. But can I book a test before that. As in if there's a waiting list of two months, can I book a test, assuming I've the 12 edt lessons done, after 4 months.

It takes between 8-10 weeks to get a date so I think as long as your 12th EDT has been entered by your adi, I don't see why not.