Hollywood, even death isn't off limits

don ramo

after seeing that Ghostbusters 3 is now gonna be an all female cast, i asked why and how this happened, less than a year ago it was going ahead with 3 of the 4 original cast attached, the only hold out was Bill Murray, who may have joined with some arm twisting,

then Harold Ramis died, and not to be deterred by that, the studio didnt scrap their plans, instead they went into overdrive to find a way to push on through such an unfortunate situation, finally coming up with the idea to just reboot the whole thing, then grab a hack director, and grab 2 of the actresses that worked with him on his one somewhat respectable movie that he made,

i mean they couldn't even be bothered to try and make a good film, and give it some respect, just throw 10 kinda known names into a drum and the first 4 out get the job,

just noting deters these bastards, i heard during the week that a studio is still trying to move ahead with a Mrs Doubtfire sequel, just ridiculous altogether,

Atlantic Dawn

This film won't cover the price of its existance, it's a bloody disgrace, if they wanted 4 women in a sequal they should have made another Greece.

Falthyron

Hollywood is a business, first and foremost and it will do anything to make a buck.

Imagine the whole entity of Hollywood as a drug dealer. Your first time visiting the dealer you acquire some weed, go home, and you really enjoy your first experience with recreational drugs. Having had such a successful encounter, you return to buy some more. Again, you have another great time. However, the more you go back, the more you find the quality of the weed declining and you need to branch out more. The same weed week in, week out, isn't enough and it is becoming boring. So, the drug dealer suggests you try ecstasy. This turns out to be an amazing experience. Again, you keep returning for more, but the more you take, the more you need to reach that original high of excitement from the first experience.

Eventually, you have made it to heroin. You have seen and tried them all. There is nothing you haven't experienced before. Each first drug is wonderful and exciting, but as time passes by the value and the effect wears thin until the point where you are not sure why you are doing heroin because it simply doesn't excite you anymore. But, you know you need it. There is this compulsion inside of you telling you to keep going back for more because maybe, just maybe, you will get that initial buzz again. The drug dealer plays all his cards right, says the correct things, and makes plenty of promises about the product, but you are let down over and over. However, he is still making a fortune and new clients keep coming every day starting out at the bottom with weed, excited, fresh, and new to what this world of recreational drugs provides.

In your wisdom, you want to tell these new clients that it isn't worth it. After the first couple of experiences you will never reach that initial high again without the tedium, the problems, and the cost it has on your wallet and enjoyment of recreational drugs. But the allure, the promises, the excitement are too much for the new clients and the drug dealer keeps on providing the same junk over and over effortlessly.

Hollywood is one big cycle, much like the business of a drug dealer. There is one born every minute and its the only way to keep the ride going.

*Damn, I am tired... :P

don ramo

true enough, but at least different grades of drugs have different names, so i know what each of them are, ghostbusters already exists, therefore noting else can be sold as it, cause its ghostbusters, you make a new formula you give it a new name,

****ing drug dealers have better standards that hollywood studios :eek::D

fruvai

Paul Feig isn't a hack

faceman

Movies are very expensive to make and the risk of failure is high. Competition is rife. Studios are fearful of taking risks so rely on remakes/reboots/sequels to fund their balance sheet.

The days of auteur directors are long over and actors are now movie stars.

It's a shame really

johnny_ultimate

I have found the level of righteous indignation and hyperbole surrounding the Ghostbusters news kind of fascinating - as if this is the final straw, an ultimate affront to cinema. It's nothing of the sort, and just par for the course.

Ghostbusters is a 'franchise', which means it has already had most of the creative lifeblood sucked out of it over the years. That's thanks to a long procession of cartoon series, toy lines, video games and even one less-than-stellar sequel involving the original cast. It has long gone past the point of being an untouchable milestone of classic cinema, and a second sequel is pretty much inevitable.

Accepting that inevitability - it being a lucrative and easily replicated idea, it will of course make a comeback - I'll be perfectly honest and say giving it to a new generation is a better idea than bringing the old one back. This is largely influenced by the long, colourful and predominantly ****ty history of reviving franchises with the original stars several decades after the fact. At least with a new cast it's not just a matter of awkwardly trying to relive past glories, especially given the admirable apathy and hostility Bill Murray has shown towards the idea (if he did appear, his heart would most definitely not be in it).

On that note, yes I think the current cast and director are unlikely to make a great film. Wiig I think can be great when she has the right script, McCarthy's schtick is tired and Feig I'm indifferent to (although I'll always have some residual respect for his involvement in Freaks & Geeks). So yeah I have no great hopes, although still think it's preferable to bringing the old gang back together for a lap of glory, and it's nice seeing a genuinely different take on a popular franchise (as an aside, I have no time whatsoever for the hyper indignation you see from some commentators online with the very idea of an all female Ghostbusters or a black James Bond).

Of course death isn't off limits, it never has been - it's a part of life, and the film world isn't going to just stop because of it, whether that's the Hollywood studios or more respectable works. The death of Richard Harris didn't stop the Harry Potter films, much like the death of Oliver Reed didn't stop Gladiator. Death happens. The world spins on. People will work around it after paying the reasonable respects.

Bill Murray has the right idea: just stop caring. Hollywood is going to go on regurgitating or rebooting fan favourites, whether that's Ghostbusters, Die Hard, Terminator, whatever. Just stop caring, ignore them. Auteur cinema isn't dead, it's alive and kicking - what else could you call it when films like Inherent Vice, Whiplash, Birdman, A Most Violent Year etc... are all taking up screen space in multiplexes and arthouse cinemas alike, right now. Let Hollywood do their thing, you don't have to have anything to do with it, and as far as I'd be concerned it's infinitely more productive and satisfying to celebrate everything that's great about modern cinema than dwell on what's bad about it

S.M.B.

^ This x 1,000.

It's baffling how worked up people are getting over this.

e_e

Yeah the more we can stop treating franchises like sacred cows the better.

So what if it turns out rubbish? It won't invalidate the original if anything it'll make it seem like the better film again.

Fat male comedians makes a dozen terrible films including beloved remakes and no one raises an eyebrow
Fat female comedian cast in a remake of a beloved franchise and the world goes into melt down.

Birneybau

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

This film won't cover the price of its existance, it's a bloody disgrace, if they wanted 4 women in a sequal they should have made another Greece.

You wha'?

AnonoBoy

Birneybau wrote: »

You wha'?

He needs to go to the politics and bailouts forum with that sort o'talk.

The Strawman Argument

don ramo wrote: »

less than a year ago it was going ahead with 3 of the 4 original cast attached, the only hold out was Bill Murray

Wasn't that the alleged status of it for about 10-15 years there? It wasn't like it was well in motion and about to start shooting or anything. All the talk of Ghostbusters 3 over the years has more been about Dan Aykroyd keeping himself relevant than anything else.

Even the sequel was ****e, never quite got why there's always been such a mad push for another one.

Guy:Incognito

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

if they wanted 4 women in a sequal they should have made another Greece.

Inventing countries is hard. You need land for a start.