Do Gardai have to stop you to check tax?

Sabrielle

do they have to stop you to pull you on tax or does the car record the reg?

biko

Moved to own thread

I don't think Automatic Number Plate Recognition (ANPR) can check tax but not sure..

bazz26

Not sure Automatic Number Plate Recognition (ANPR) has access to the motor tax database yet. I think it only checks for valid insurance at the moment afaik.

airuser

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An Garda Síochána uses Automatic Number Plate Recognition (ANPR) systems in its Garda Traffic Corps vehicles. ANPR uses optical character recognition technology to automatically read vehicle registration plates and is used in patrol cars by many police forces worldwide. The technology can read number plates at a rate of six per second on vehicles travelling up to 180km/h.

ANPR systems also include a speed detection capability. This allows for the measuring of the speed of a vehicle travelling in front of a patrol vehicle. The video camera records on-the-scene evidence of speeding, and offences such as dangerous driving, crossing continuous white lines and breaking red lights.

One of the main benefits of the system is that the plate recognition can run in the background while Gardaí are measuring speed or attending to other issues as demands dictate.

All vehicles fitted with ANPR camera systems will be able to identify vehicles as being stolen, untaxed, suspect, cited as connected with terrorist suspects, crime groups, drug trafficking, people trafficking and/or persistent offending.

The systems therefore make a significant contribution to the fight against serious and organised criminal activity.

The planned nationwide roll out of ANPR in An Garda Síochána was completed in 2010 and 114 vehicles, mainly from the Traffic Corps, are now fitted with the technology. ANPR vehicles are now deployed in every Garda Division, with the number of vehicles allocated in each division based on various criteria including the type of roads, the amount of motorways and geographic profile.

This is copied from the Garda Site. Hope this answers your question about tax.

Tinkerbell4484

The number plate reader can definitely check tax

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hope this answers your question on whether the Gardai have to stop you at the time or whether the letter just arrives a few weeks later.

airuser

The ANPR, is employed in most European countries.

In the UK it can check. Tax, insurance, MOT, stolen and if the car has been flagged for any crime involvement.

They can get one going and coming.

pippip

airuser wrote: »

crime
An Garda Síochána uses Automatic Number Plate Recognition (ANPR) systems in its Garda Traffic Corps vehicles. ANPR uses optical character recognition technology to automatically read vehicle registration plates and is used in patrol cars by many police forces worldwide. The technology can read number plates at a rate of six per second on vehicles travelling up to 180km/h.

ANPR systems also include a speed detection capability. This allows for the measuring of the speed of a vehicle travelling in front of a patrol vehicle. The video camera records on-the-scene evidence of speeding, and offences such as dangerous driving, crossing continuous white lines and breaking red lights.

One of the main benefits of the system is that the plate recognition can run in the background while Gardaí are measuring speed or attending to other issues as demands dictate.

All vehicles fitted with ANPR camera systems will be able to identify vehicles as being stolen, untaxed, suspect, cited as connected with terrorist suspects, crime groups, drug trafficking, people trafficking and/or persistent offending.

The systems therefore make a significant contribution to the fight against serious and organised criminal activity.

The planned nationwide roll out of ANPR in An Garda Síochána was completed in 2010 and 114 vehicles, mainly from the Traffic Corps, are now fitted with the technology. ANPR vehicles are now deployed in every Garda Division, with the number of vehicles allocated in each division based on various criteria including the type of roads, the amount of motorways and geographic profile.

This is copied from the Garda Site. Hope this answers your question about tax.

Nothing confirming what is presently enabled on the current system. Just what they are capable of and will be able to do. The features all mean nothing without the correct database access and information.

Atlantic Dawn

They need to use ANPR as a cash cow, simply have €500 fines posted to any owner who's cars tax is out by 30 days plus and it not declared off the road.

airuser

Pippip

That is true.

airuser

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

They need to use ANPR as a cash cow, simply have €500 fines posted to any owner who's cars tax is out by 30 days plus and it not declared off the road.

One must remember that it is against the Law to drive a car which is not Taxed.

RichardoKhan

Ahhh but you see its very muddy where im from strangely enough the mud tends to just collect on the front & back reg plates. Strange that. PS whats e-flow?

airuser

RichardoKhan wrote: »

Ahhh but you see its very muddy where im from strangely enough the mud tends to just collect on the front & back reg plates. Strange that. PS whats e-flow?

Ahhhh, the boys can pull one over for having "muddy plates" as well. That too is an offence.

Now, that would be if they were really looking for miner for the State

RichardoKhan

airuser wrote: »

Ahhhh, the boys can pull one over for having "muddy plates" as well. That too is an offence.

Now, that would be if they were really looking for miner for the State

Yer as if !

The sheer number of these cowboys is sickening.
Black BMW 10 WW reg on the N3 the other night. You know what im talking about........

The rest of us do the right thing but these are treat with impunity......

coylemj

airuser wrote: »

One must remember that it is against the Law to drive a car which is not Taxed.

It doesn't matter whether you are driving it or not, simply keeping it in a public place (moving or stationary) without displaying a current tax disc (vehicle licence) is an offence.....


73.—(1) Where a vehicle to which this Part applies is used, parked or otherwise kept at any time in a public place, if while the vehicle is being so used, parked or kept there is not fixed to and exhibited on the vehicle in accordance with section 5 (5) of the Act of 1920 a licence which is both issued in respect of the vehicle and is for the time being in force, then the person by whom the vehicle is so used, parked or kept at the time shall be guilty of an offence, and in addition to the person aforesaid, the person (if he is not the person aforesaid) who on the day on which the offence is committed is in relation to the vehicle the relevant person shall also be guilty of an offence.

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1976/en/act/pub/0016/sec0073.html#sec73

airuser

When living in Germany a few years back. Can remember the police in Berlin checking the road condition of Bikes. If did not come up to standard. One had it taken from you, fined and then had to collect the bike and have it fixed.

Can you imagine here, if one had a Garda check point and they decided to check the Tax, Insurance, Tyres, Lights and number plates. Plus, of course, the "blow in the bag".

coylemj

airuser wrote: »

Can you imagine here, if one had a Garda check point and they decided to check the Tax, Insurance, Tyres, Lights and number plates. Plus, of course, the "blow in the bag".

No need to imagine anything - they do it all the time. Follow @Gardatraffic on Twitter and you'll see daily tweets from the traffic corps around the country showing photos of cars and motor bikes being seized because of disqualified driver/no tax/no insurance/dangerous vehicle

georgefalls

I got stopped after buying a car in January 2014. The tax was out by 3 months. Guy who stopped me said the ANPR in his squad car had flagged me.
He was coming towards me, and did a u-turn to pull me over.

I explained I had just bought the car, and was waiting for the log book to come up on the motortax site. He said if that was the case, then OK, but if not, then I'd be getting a fine in the post. I got home, and the car was online and I taxed it. Never heard anything since.

So I'd say they've been using ANPR for over a year now.

CiniO

coylemj wrote: »

No need to imagine anything - they do it all the time. Follow @Gardatraffic on Twitter and you'll see daily tweets from the traffic corps around the country showing photos of cars and motor bikes being seized because of disqualified driver/no tax/no insurance/dangerous vehicle

This must be extremally rare.
Can you explain, why over last 8 years, I never been pulled over in Ireland, while on my annual drive to the Continent for a month, I usually get pulled over 2 or 3 times (during one month)?

coylemj

CiniO wrote: »

This must be extremally rare.
Can you explain, why over last 8 years, I never been pulled over in Ireland, while on my annual drive to the Continent for a month, I usually get pulled over 2 or 3 times (during one month)?

Clearly the ANPR system means that they don't have to waste their time pulling over law-abiding citizens like you.

CiniO

coylemj wrote: »

Clearly the ANPR system means that they don't have to waste their time pulling over law-abiding citizens like you.

OK i get your point - they don't stop people who have tax, insurance and NCT in place.

But what about everything else???
Their ANPR won't tell them if driving is banned, if driver is under the influence of alcohol. It won't tell them is car is roadworthy. And it won't even tell them if car is genuine or just with number plates that were cloned.

Someone car find exact same car as his (model and colour) and after making sure that car is fully legal, just make number plates with his number.
Then it won't flag ANPR and such driver can drive around without a risk of being pulled over.

ANPR - yes of course - why not. Good idea, but, we still should have a good bit of roadside random checkes, for thing listed above.

Sheldons Brain

CiniO wrote: »

OK i get your point - they don't stop people who have tax, insurance and NCT in place.

But what about everything else???
Their ANPR won't tell them if driving is banned, if driver is under the influence of alcohol. It won't tell them is car is roadworthy. And it won't even tell them if car is genuine or just with number plates that were cloned.

Someone car find exact same car as his (model and colour) and after making sure that car is fully legal, just make number plates with his number.
Then it won't flag ANPR and such driver can drive around without a risk of being pulled over.

ANPR - yes of course - why not. Good idea, but, we still should have a good bit of roadside random checkes, for thing listed above.

Arguably there should be a gadget on a car that you stik our driving licence into that would allow identification of the driver, then no need to stop regular people, but the L drivers, disqualified drivers and so forth could be targeted.

CiniO

Sheldons Brain wrote: »

Arguably there should be a gadget on a car that you stik our driving licence into that would allow identification of the driver, then no need to stop regular people, but the L drivers, disqualified drivers and so forth could be targeted.

It would hardly help. Driver could use some else's drivers licence. Could be drunk or on drugs. Car could be stolen and plates cloned.

Without a random road checks, there's no way to be in control over those certain things.

nice_guy80

the ANPR doesn't work in a lot of rural Ireland

coylemj

coylemj wrote: »

No need to imagine anything - they do it all the time. Follow @Gardatraffic on Twitter and you'll see daily tweets from the traffic corps around the country showing photos of cars and motor bikes being seized because of disqualified driver/no tax/no insurance/dangerous vehicle

CiniO wrote: »

This must be extremally rare.
Can you explain, why over last 8 years, I never been pulled over in Ireland, while on my annual drive to the Continent for a month, I usually get pulled over 2 or 3 times (during one month)?

Here you go, posted today (Jan 31) at 19:38 .... https://twitter.com/GardaTraffic

An Garda Síochána ‏@GardaTraffic

Galway Gardaí checkpoint on Eyre Square this afternoon. 2 cars seized, 1 no tax or insurance & 2nd no tax since 5/14

Hal1

There's a checkpoint on the N7 outbound just before kylemore junction. There was a car diagonally parked across the road on my way past it.

georgefalls

nice_guy80 wrote: »

the ANPR doesn't work in a lot of rural Ireland

Yes it does, see my earlier post.
I'm very rural

nice_guy80

georgefalls wrote: »

Yes it does, see my earlier post.
I'm very rural

funny but a serving garda told me the opposite last year.
oh well, doesn't affect me!

airuser

Go to "you tube" and type in ANPR. there you will see several examples of the system working.

bcmf

Several years ago a friend had his van taken off him on the M50 (I had to go and pick him up ) because the ANPR in the Garda car said he had no tax. They weren't wrong. He had to pay 2years worth of arrears.
The ANPR works on tax and gets your insurance details from the Tax forms ,so I believe.
Plenty of unmarked Garda cars traversing the M50 and adjoining roads pulling cars in on a daily basis.

keithclancy

CiniO wrote: »

This must be extremally rare.
Can you explain, why over last 8 years, I never been pulled over in Ireland, while on my annual drive to the Continent for a month, I usually get pulled over 2 or 3 times (during one month)?

You must look dodgy ... I think I got pulled over twice in 7 years on the Continent :pac:

Never got pulled over in Ireland either though in last 7 years.