Should pictures of minors be posted outside of FB

spookwoman

People post pictures of their kids on Facebook for their friends to see but should those images be posted outside of the family and friends environment for all the world to see.
There are no laws regarding putting up pictures of your own kids but if you were to put up pictures of other people children you have to get permission because of privacy etc, but what about parents posting the images on the net, there are no consent forms and objectiveness goes out the window. Schools and papers also have to follow rules where full names call not used and again data protection, privacy and protection of children come into play.
Something to think about within 5 mins you can find the address and telephone number of someone who uses their real name and you probably could do the same if there are some link between real name and username on the internet and many childrens internet protection sites recommend not posting pictures and if you do to make sure the security settings are only for friends and family.

Paulw

What is this mad paranoia about posting photos of children?

It truly confuses me.

What is the world coming to, when you can't show the world as it is, with children in it?

spookwoman

They are entitled to their privacy thats why schools etc have to get permission. Kids dont really understand the full extent that when their image is posted on the net anyone and everyone can see it and there is the possibility that there is some b*stard out there. Its been in the papers only recently the dangers of posting pictures of kids on the net.

magicbastarder

i don't post *any* portraits on boards, be it adults or children, which is once of the reasons i've not been posting many photos of late.
if i take a camera to a family event, or a friend's house, i don't want them stumbling across a photo i've taken on a public website several days or months later. unless i told them i was going to post them here, it's a fair assumption on their part that the photo won't be put in the public domain.

super_furry

I think parents are best placed to make these kind of decisions when it comes to their own children.

DaireQuinlan

Paulw wrote: »

What is this mad paranoia about posting photos of children?

It's because as soon as you post a picture of a child online, ANY CHILD, within 15 minutes or less they'll be targeted by predatory paedophiles. FACT.

Personally I like to show the world as I'd like to imagine it. Without any people in it whatsoever. Oh the day will come. Oh yes. *staples fingers together. Stares out window*

magicbastarder

DaireQuinlan wrote: »

*staples fingers together. Stares out window*

it'll be hard to operate a camera like that.

Paulw

It's an insane paranoia.

I have taken thousands of photos of children, including some of my own child, and have them posted online, and printed in papers.

There is no privacy in public space. Not for adults and not for children. It is a shame when we hide children away.

Here's a few - no idea who the children are.

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amen

DaireQuinlan wrote: »

It's because as soon as you post a picture of a child online, ANY CHILD, within 15 minutes or less they'll be targeted by predatory paedophiles. FACT.

really ? some references please and details on how exactly they find the image in such a short time frame.

Paulw

amen wrote: »

really ? some references please and details on how exactly they find the image in such a short time frame.

I think you missed the sarcasm icon.

DaireQuinlan

amen wrote: »

really ? some references please and details on how exactly they find the image in such a short time frame.

It's the Dark Net you see. Paulw, for example, has just condemned those poor mites above to a lifetime of debased slavery just by posting those shots. FOR SHAME.

PaulieC

spookwoman wrote: »

People post pictures of their kids on Facebook for their friends to see but should those images be posted outside of the family and friends environment for all the world to see.
There are no laws regarding putting up pictures of your own kids but if you were to put up pictures of other people children you have to get permission because of privacy etc, but what about parents posting the images on the net, there are no consent forms and objectiveness goes out the window. Schools and papers also have to follow rules where full names call not used and again data protection, privacy and protection of children come into play.
Something to think about within 5 mins you can find the address and telephone number of someone who uses their real name and you probably could do the same if there are some link between real name and username on the internet and many childrens internet protection sites recommend not posting pictures and if you do to make sure the security settings are only for friends and family.

If a picture of a child is printed in a newspaper, it usually lists a name and if not an address, then a school or town etc. Now, depending on circulation, that picture is likely to be seen by a lot more than a picture posted on someone's FB account or here on Boards. Using the methods you describe, anyone could probably get that child's personal information in the same amount of time (or less) that if it was on FB.

Do you propose that pictures of children be banned from everywhere someone can see them ? It seems like that's what you are thinking.

spookwoman

Amen just go to google type in say "young boy" set it to search for posts within 24 hours and lots of picture come up. 4 years ago a thread was started on her about a guy that got his pictures of his children stolen http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=65987231

http://cnci.ie/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Guidelines_for_taking_images.pdf

Paul post pictures of your kids personal FB page I just don't think posting them in a public forum is appropriate.

Paulw

So, spookwoman, what is your ultimate goal? To forbid the photography of children?

spookwoman

Paulw listen to yourself did i say anything about stopping all pictures of children?No I did not so stop twisting things. I'm on about the parents posting pictures of their kids in a public forum for the world to see. Now if the children are registered with a studio and are getting paid for their picture to be taken and the contract states you are allowed to post the images in a public area then fine.

Paulw

spookwoman wrote: »

I'm on about the parents posting pictures of their kids in a public forum for the world to see. Now if the children are registered with a studio and are getting paid for their picture to be taken and the contract states you are allowed to post the images in a public area then fine.

So, you have a problem with parents posting photos of their own children online?

What about street photography or event photography, where there is no expectation of privacy and there is no law forbidding photography?

PaulieC

spookwoman wrote: »

Paulw listen to yourself did i say anything about stopping all pictures of children?No I did not so stop twisting things. I'm on about the parents posting pictures of their kids in a public forum for the world to see. Now if the children are registered with a studio and are getting paid for their picture to be taken and the contract states you are allowed to post the images in a public area then fine.

what's the difference there except that the parent is getting paid for the pictures ? They can all be harvested by the many, many paedophiles out there...

super_furry

Burkas for the under-16s anyone?

spookwoman

Your just arguing for arguments No there is no law a stopping you taking a picture

No. There is no legal constraint on taking images of children or young people in public settings. However, photographs or images are defined as data and therefore come within
the scope of the Data Protection Acts 1998/2003

. If a parent posts a picture of their kid on a public forum then protecting their id comes into question.

So, you have a problem with parents posting photos of their own children online?

Read what I posted

I'm on about the parents posting pictures of their kids in a public forum for the world to see.

PaulC the minor is registered and a consent form has been signed and proper safeguards put in place to protect them.

DaireQuinlan

spookwoman wrote: »

Paulw listen to yourself did i say anything about stopping all pictures of children?No I did not so stop twisting things. I'm on about the parents posting pictures of their kids in a public forum for the world to see. Now if the children are registered with a studio and are getting paid for their picture to be taken and the contract states you are allowed to post the images in a public area then fine.

Wait so you're NOT ok with a parent posting a picture of their kid on the facebooks but you ARE ok with a parent getting paid money to WHORE THEIR CHILD OUT TO THE ADVERTISING INDUSTRY (which as we all know is rife with deviants and paedophiles)? You are a Hypocrite, madam!

PaulieC

spookwoman wrote: »

PaulC the minor is registered and a consent form has been signed and proper safeguards put in place to protect them.

That does not in any way stop the picture from being 'stolen' or otherwise used by ne'er-do-wells. The only thing that is different in this situation is that the parents get paid.

I think your boards name is well chosen...

Wabbit Ears

spookwoman wrote: »

There are no laws regarding putting up pictures of your own kids but if you were to put up pictures of other people children you have to get permission because of privacy etc, .

Your entire point is based on this completly false assumption. You do not have to get any permission off anybody to post picture of them in any form unless its for commercial or advertisement use, and even then its a pretty grey area.

My wife does sports and event photography for several local clubs and also does photography at running events and the like. These images are posted both on her website and on publicly accessible facebook pages. Over the years shes posted thousands of images of children on the net. Never once has she been requested to take down an image, in fact, more often then not, parents share and comment on the pictures and use those images as their facbook profiles.

That said, she has had clients request that the images not be put on facebook or social media in the first place and that is respected and if there was a takedown request it would be done immediatly, no questions asked.

melekalikimaka

is op trolling? or just in another world completely?

spookwoman

Most sports, social clubs and schools have some clause or consent about photographing events and as u said Wabbit Ears parents want to see those pictures, but as you also said there has been instances of take downs. Your wife is a 3rd party asked to take the pictures and they are in context.

You do not have to get any permission off anybody to post picture of them in any form unless its for commercial or advertisement use, and even then its a pretty grey area

That grey area can lead to court case where someone feels their privacy has been breached also what if the parent is using the pictures of their kids to promote their own work then does that not fall under "commercial or advertisement use"


Maybe I see things differently because I have seen a pedophiles computer full of the "innocent" and gruesome pictures of children and why I feel strongly about it.

magicbastarder

i think there is a nugget of a genuine issue here though, touched on by what Wabbit Ears mentioned - politeness in handling images of others. if you're at a football match, you can hardly expect that your photo might not be taken, but if your kid goes to a private birthday party and you see photos of them in the local paper a week later, you might have cause to be pissed off as a private party is a context where you would not expect that; similar to what i was saying about not putting photos of friends or their kids on boards.

on a related note; on two occasions i have been on the luas where filming was taking place, and i was amazed at the people who were obviously in the background of the shots - when approached with the release forms, they signed them without reading them. i'd have refused to sign without taking the form home to have a good read of it.

spookwoman

Magicbastarder thats what I am trying to say there is a time and a place and I strongly feel this is not the place.
For the hell of it a did a trace you could say and I got the home address, their telephone number and know what the front of their house looks like, thats
unsettling.

Add to that I could look up local schools ans based on sex narrow it down and see if said children walk home. It would take time but can be done.

Paulw

So, let me get this right .... you believe that parents should not put photos of their own children online? But, it's fine for others, including strangers, to do it, once it's in context, such as a sporting event, school event, etc?

Wabbit Ears

Pedos can just walk around and find kids and see where they live.

Your fears are unfounded paranoia.

seriously, you sound like a crazy person.

Paulw

Wabbit Ears wrote: »

Your fears are unfounded paranoia.

seriously, you sound like a crazy person.

“Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't after you” :eek:

― Joseph Heller, Catch-22

magicbastarder

spookwoman wrote: »

For the hell of it a did a trace you could say and I got the home address, their telephone number and know what the front of their house looks like, thats unsettling.

you'll have to explain this a bit more carefully?

melekalikimaka

I can't believe this has gone thirty posts and its still being humored

Paulw

It's a quiet day, and a bit of entertainment. I'm still trying to work out what the OP really has an issue with.

melekalikimaka

I always wondered what sort of people have these genuine concerns... its quite unnerving that people would follow that line of thought.

Reoil

So now, children should be neither seen nor heard?

Silva360

I must say, OP, this is a rather strange argument. Could the same not be said about pictures of people generally? I mean there are rapists and stalkers out there just watching and waiting. You could take it to another extreme and ban photography altogether as 'terrorists' us it for reconnaissance purposes.

dirtyghettokid

why is it limited to kids?
sure look at google earth....can look at what's in your back garden, without your permission......
also, drones flying about?
it's just a society where everything you do is being watched or monitored somehow. absolutely no way you'll be able to protect yourself, or children from that.

amen

spookwoman wrote: »

Amen just go to google type in say "young boy" set it to search for posts within 24 hours and lots of picture come up. 4 years ago a thread was started on her about a guy that got his pictures of his children stolen http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=65987231

http://cnci.ie/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Guidelines_for_taking_images.pdf

Paul post pictures of your kids personal FB page I just don't think posting them in a public forum is appropriate.

buts that assuming the google has indexed your photos. I can't see that happening in 15 minutes of you posting an image (maybe on a very busy highly referenced site) and even then...

CabanSail

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