New paint job question

mickman

hi GUys

Brand new house , walls skimmed and dry.

I would like to spray paint the house , 3 coats on ceiling to finish and wondering how many on the walls (1 or 2) in order for me to then finish the walls with a roller and different colours ?

Ceepo

mickman wrote: »

hi GUys

Brand new house , walls skimmed and dry.

I would like to spray paint the house , 3 coats on ceiling to finish and wondering how many on the walls (1 or 2) in order for me to then finish the walls with a roller and different colours ?

Hi there.
2 no of coats should be enough on the ceilings and 1 no mist coat on the wall.
Thin out the paint up to 20% especially for the 1st coat. This will allow it to absorb into the plaster and give a good base for finish coat.
You will need to give the walls 2 no coats of the finish coat colour.

mickman

Ceepo wrote: »

Hi there.
2 no of coats should be enough on the ceilings and 1 no mist coat on the wall.
Thin out the paint up to 20% especially for the 1st coat. This will allow it to absorb into the plaster and give a good base for finish coat.
You will need to give the walls 2 no coats of the finish coat colour.

OK great thanks. Most painters i talk to seem to want to use the roller. Is this because they just arent used to spraying ? Or is the same ammount of coats with a roller a better job ?

Ceepo

mickman wrote: »

OK great thanks. Most painters i talk to seem to want to use the roller. Is this because they just arent used to spraying ? Or is the same ammount of coats with a roller a better job ?

It would all depend on the house re spraying/brush roller. Spraying will be quicker but if there are fittings in place (doors frames light sockets) it way we'll be just as East to use brush roller.
you can apply spray heavier than a roller as you will be spreading out the paint more with a roller..
If you are using matt emulsion as a finish coat on the walls then there is no need to apply a coat of while first, just thin put the 1st coat. However if you are using soft sheen/silk finish you will we'd to base coat the walls first.

mickman

Ceepo wrote: »

It would all depend on the house re spraying/brush roller. Spraying will be quicker but if there are fittings in place (doors frames light sockets) it way we'll be just as East to use brush roller.
you can apply spray heavier than a roller as you will be spreading out the paint more with a roller..
If you are using matt emulsion as a finish coat on the walls then there is no need to apply a coat of while first, just thin put the 1st coat. However if you are using soft sheen/silk finish you will we'd to base coat the walls first.

hmm. whats the difference between matt emulsion and soft sheen ?

THere are no fittings / floors or anything to worry about in hte house

Would spray be better then ?

Ceepo

mickman wrote: »

hmm. whats the difference between matt emulsion and soft sheen ?

Soft/mid sheen will have a suttle shine, will be more durable and you can wipe it clean. Matt will have no shine and will be hard to keep clean less durable

[/quote]THere are no fittings / floors or anything to worry about in hte house

Would spray be better then ?[/quote]

It will be a lot faster. Better is a matter of opinion but not a lot of difference really

mickman

Ceepo wrote: »

Soft/mid sheen will have a suttle shine, will be more durable and you can wipe it clean. Matt will have no shine and will be hard to keep clean less durable

THere are no fittings / floors or anything to worry about in hte house

Would spray be better then ?[/quote]

It will be a lot faster. Better is a matter of opinion but not a lot of difference really[/QUOTE]

in your opinion, is roller better than spray ? bearing in mind ill be doing the finish myself to the walls afterwards ?

Rock Lesnar

Roller is a better finish on the walls, i never spray walls, rarely spray ceilings either but if your in a rush, spraying is obviously quicker

mickman

Rock Lesnar wrote: »

Roller is a better finish on the walls, i never spray walls, rarely spray ceilings either but if your in a rush, spraying is obviously quicker

well im not in a rush in fairness. i want the better job for long term but i dont want it to cost double either

Rock Lesnar

mickman wrote: »

well im not in a rush in fairness. i want the better job for long term but i dont want it to cost double either

Well i would presume hiring out a sprayer and/or getting a fella to spray them for you is gonna cost you, i sprayed my own ceilings and no problem with it, but like i said rarely do it now, its ok in a new house with no fittings or doors, but just personal choice is roll the walls, just find it a better finish.

Ceepo

mickman wrote: »

THere are no fittings / floors or anything to worry about in hte house

Would spray be better then ?

It will be a lot faster. Better is a matter of opinion but not a lot of difference really[/QUOTE]

in your opinion, is roller better than spray ? bearing in mind ill be doing the finish myself to the walls afterwards ?[/quote]

You will have to use a roller and brush for finish coats regardless of if you spray or not.
I don't see a big issue spraying the ceiling and putting a mist coat on the walls.
That said if it was my house it would use brush and roller

mickman

Ceepo wrote: »

It will be a lot faster. Better is a matter of opinion but not a lot of difference really

in your opinion, is roller better than spray ? bearing in mind ill be doing the finish myself to the walls afterwards ?[/quote]

You will have to use a roller and brush for finish coats regardless of if you spray or not.
I don't see a big issue spraying the ceiling and putting a mist coat on the walls.
That said if it was my house it would use brush and roller[/QUOTE]

yeah i know that ill have to use roller / brush to finish the walls etc. what im basically looking for is a quick undercoat for the walls and a ceiling finish as i hate doing the ceiling.

How come 2 coats on ceilings would finish and you need 3 on the walls ?

Ceepo

mickman wrote: »

in your opinion, is roller better than spray ? bearing in mind ill be doing the finish myself to the walls afterwards ?

You will have to use a roller and brush for finish coats regardless of if you spray or not.
I don't see a big issue spraying the ceiling and putting a mist coat on the walls.
That said if it was my house it would use brush and roller[/QUOTE]

yeah i know that ill have to use roller / brush to finish the walls etc. what im basically looking for is a quick undercoat for the walls and a ceiling finish as i hate doing the ceiling.

How come 2 coats on ceilings would finish and you need 3 on the walls ?[/quote]

OK recap.
Ceilings; Quickest way to finish ceiling is to spray them, normally 2 coats of a good quality paint will do as you are putting the paint on heavier.
Walls; Two coats of a good quality paint will finish your walls if you are using a Matt finish.
If you want a soft sheen/silk finish you need to apply a base coat to the wall first as soft sheen/silk will not soak into the plaster ie 3 coats.

mickman

Ceepo wrote: »

You will have to use a roller and brush for finish coats regardless of if you spray or not.
I don't see a big issue spraying the ceiling and putting a mist coat on the walls.
That said if it was my house it would use brush and roller

yeah i know that ill have to use roller / brush to finish the walls etc. what im basically looking for is a quick undercoat for the walls and a ceiling finish as i hate doing the ceiling.

How come 2 coats on ceilings would finish and you need 3 on the walls ?[/quote]

OK recap.
Ceilings; Quickest way to finish ceiling is to spray them, normally 2 coats of a good quality paint will do as you are putting the paint on heavier.
Walls; Two coats of a good quality paint will finish your walls if you are using a Matt finish.
If you want a soft sheen/silk finish you need to apply a base coat to the wall first as soft sheen/silk will not soak into the plaster ie 3 coats.[/QUOTE]

ok great thanks

dmc17

Personally, I would use a brush and roller. Give 1 thin coat of white to ceiling and walls. Then 2 more coats on the ceiling slightly thinned which will make life a lot easier and give a better finish. Then you should be able to give the walls 2 coats of finish colour.
Using good tools will make life easy also. I'd use a 12" medium/long pile roller for the white such as this and these for the walls. A couple of good 3 inch synthetic brushes should make life easier too. A good strong roller pole is also vital.

mickman

Thanks . Met with a painter who will do just that. Finish ceilings and prime the walls - I can just finish then myself

I wanted to do the stairs by doing the kicker white paint and the steps walnut stain

The stairs are pine , the painter said it wouldn't look right and the walnut would come out 'pinky '

Another painter didn't say anything about it being an issue

Any opinions on this ?

Ceepo

mickman wrote: »

Thanks . Met with a painter who will do just that. Finish ceilings and prime the walls - I can just finish then myself

I wanted to do the stairs by doing the kicker white paint and the steps walnut stain

The stairs are pine , the painter said it wouldn't look right and the walnut would come out 'pinky '

Another painter didn't say anything about it being an issue

Any opinions on this ?

I have never seen it to come out "pinky"
that's said I can say how well it will look with the knots it's in the pine. But I would imagine it will be a nice job when it's finished.
I would stain and varnish the threads 1st apart from the finish coat before doing the risers as and spots of paint can be easily wiped of the sealed threads.

mickman

Ceepo wrote: »

I have never seen it to come out "pinky"
that's said I can say how well it will look with the knots it's in the pine. But I would imagine it will be a nice job when it's finished.
I would stain and varnish the threads 1st apart from the finish coat before doing the risers as and spots of paint can be easily wiped of the sealed threads.

Ok thanks. If the painter still doesn't want to do it then I'll get another fella

Ceepo

mickman wrote: »

Ok thanks. If the painter still doesn't want to do it then I'll get another fella

Try an of cut of pine 1st and see what it looks like Before you do them all.

mickman

Got quoted 1300 euro to do two sets of pine staircases - White kickers and walnuts steps

Is this about right ?

Ceepo

mickman wrote: »

Got quoted 1300 euro to do two sets of pine staircases - White kickers and walnuts steps

Is this about right ?

How many steps and spindles roughly. Where are you based ?

mickman

Ceepo wrote: »

How many steps and spindles roughly. Where are you based ?

Based in North cork

About 14 steps , maybe 20 spindles

Two sets of the above

Also quoted 1700 to finish ceilings and give one coat to all walls


Excl vat and paint

Ceepo

mickman wrote: »

Based in North cork

About 14 steps , maybe 20 spindles

Two sets of the above

Also quoted 1700 to finish ceilings and give one coat to all walls


Excl vat and paint

price for stairs isn't to bad imo.

Spraying 2 coats on ceiling and 1 mist coat on the walls. Seems high if you are suppling the paint.

New house without any fixtures or timber work and nothing in the way shouldn't take that long to do..

mickman

so guys , im back on this subject. sorry to be bringing it up again

have a price to spray ceiling to finish (incl sand and fill any holes) and one coat on all walls

1400 euro

This just includes dusting of walls and then spray. My question is , if the guy just cleans and sprays the wall and i then start to go around afterwards and finish with a roller and a different colour - if i notice some small holes or areas that need a sand / fill will i be able to do this even though the spray coat of white is on it ?

irelandspurs

Would it not be best to just pay a painter to do it all and you sit back and enjoy your new house.

mickman

irelandspurs wrote: »

Would it not be best to just pay a painter to do it all and you sit back and enjoy your new house.

well yes of course it would , but it would be nicer to have a few grand in my pocket too

dmc17

mickman wrote: »

My question is , if the guy just cleans and sprays the wall and i then start to go around afterwards and finish with a roller and a different colour - if i notice some small holes or areas that need a sand / fill will i be able to do this even though the spray coat of white is on it ?

Yeah, it's easier to see and fill them after the first coat is on. You need to reverse your process though. You need to go around first and find the holes and then go around and finish the painting
Filler will need 2 coats over so that you won't see it afterwards. The walls will need 2 coats of the finish colour, so if you go around first and find and fill any holes, you'll just need to sand them and then give the walls the 2 coats to finish.
Any holes you find just before the final coat, you'll need to, fill, let the filler dry, sand it and touch up the filled area with the brush. Once this is dry, you can apply the complete final coat.

cardwizzard

Regards price it depends on the size of the house. 3 coats on ceilings and a base or two on walls is standard for a new spray job. Usually done between 1st and 2nd fix and no tiling either. Usually takes a day or two max, including prep and masking.

mickman

cardwizzard wrote: »

Regards price it depends on the size of the house. 3 coats on ceilings and a base or two on walls is standard for a new spray job. Usually done between 1st and 2nd fix and no tiling either. Usually takes a day or two max, including prep and masking.

ok thanks

irelandspurs

mickman wrote: »

well yes of course it would , but it would be nicer to have a few grand in my pocket too

Did you do the rest of your house yourself or did you employ tradesmen?

mickman

irelandspurs wrote: »

Did you do the rest of your house yourself or did you employ tradesmen?

tradesmen. only job i can do is paint so i may as well do it myself