Query on renting shed

ravima

hi lads.

Tom is a farmer and has his own cattle on the lands. he has a spare slatted shed and Jack, his neighbour is a bit short of housing. They both meet after mass on a Sunday and Tom agrees to rent the shed from Jack.

Jack brings the animals to Tom's place and they settle in the shed. Jack brings silage every day from his own farm to feed the cattle.

There is no interaction between Jack's cattle and Tom's. Both 'herds' are in separate sheds.

Dept contact Jack and tell him he is in serious trouble; he must blood test all females and transfer to Ton's herd and worse, any calf born in the shed, must be registered in Tom's herd and then slaughtered.

Is this a correct interpretation by Dept? If both herds were outwintered, they could be licking each other's noses over the ditch, but there is no interaction at all between animals.

Farmer Pudsey

Yes if you B&B cattle they must be transferred in and out of herds and each counts as a movement. In this case if Jack transferred the his own bred weanlings Tom is second owner, when they go back to Jack he is third. If Jack bought as calves he will be 4th owner. One of the big disadvantages of B&B with cattle

locha

Is this the case if they are in separate sheds? I thought the problem was if they were in the same shed. If it separate sheds, a proper lease agreement in place, separate handing facilities and separate feed sources - i thought it was ok.

Nekarsulm

Same shed, different shed, different yard, even if separate land parcel entirely, ten miles away, if all are the same holding/herd number, you must do the paperwork.

locha

Neck, I don't think you are right. I had reason to look at this closely recently and had Teagasc advisor out with me. The position I was told was as I stated in my post above. What the department don't want is cattle sharing the same shed, fodder source or handling facilities. You can have two separate heards in the same "yard" if you have complete separation.

Nettleman

Breaucracy gone mad . What if you put cattle in a shed of a fella that has no herd number !!- Another flaw of the 4 movements in BB QAS

Charliebull

OP why did dept contact, did someone report

yes you have to transfer into Herd of Shed owner, its complete bull, and has many repercussions for you, eg having required stocking levels for 7 month period, calf registering and BVD testing

only way you dont was under REPS if both parties were part of then it was just a B&B form

Nekarsulm

locha wrote: »

Neck, I don't think you are right. I had reason to look at this closely recently and had Teagasc advisor out with me. The position I was told was as I stated in my post above. What the department don't want is cattle sharing the same shed, fodder source or handling facilities. You can have two separate heards in the same "yard" if you have complete separation.

Didn't know that, Locha. I was told different.
Rented half a shed to a fellow this year, and as he was due his annual test, he waited till afterwards to move the specified cattle in. My own cattle are in another shed 7 miles away, same herd number.
All would be fine and dandy until you got a cross compliance inspection, otherwise.
Its a bit of a pain, as you must notify Dept. of tag numbers moving in, and as the lad in my case is using the shed for dry Friesian cows, and as they come near calving, he brings them home and moves in recently dried off ones.

Separate handling facilities would be the stumbling block, in a lot of cases.

Sheep breeder

nekarsulm you are right if he had a cross compliance inspection both would be in trouble for non notice of movements and nitrates, the terms of a herd number is if you have cattle and you move in for grazing or feeding these are classed as b&b and need to be in TB and blood, it is classed as inter mixing of herds.