NCT failures - advice sought

FordDriver

My 01 car has passed the nct first time every time up to now


Now this year there is

cv boot
flexible brake pipes perished /chaffed on offside front and nearside front.
Primary structure corrosion floor panel nearside
coil spring /torsion bar damaged broken nearside rear
Primary structure corrosion door sills offside

I do not question the cv boot but i wonder where all the rest came from in a year. In an old thread I read that the flexible brake pipe test is a subjective opinion of the tester. People wrote of failures that passed after having the rust painted over i think and as far as i recall in some cases doing nothing

is it possible that a different tester may have passed the brake pipes for example. I understand the emissions which it passed are done on a machine and the same no matter who does the test

I am waiting for my mechnic to have a look. meanwhile if anyone is familiar with the NCT and how it work I would be obliged to hear views.Coild the pipes have been on the way last year and now gone? Could the test last year have exposed them and caused rust as i saw claimed on other threads

i am not saying i should have passed, the cv boot is pretty straight forward as far as i know but i cannot understand where all the problems came from in a year in a car used mainly for local trips

Also are these expensive if all need replacing?

Thanks

corktina

why even take the chance that there is a brake problem? fit new pipes. You can't paint flexible pipes, they are rubber. What's more they arent difficult or expensive to swap

It's the rusty floor and cills you should worry about

FordDriver

corktina wrote: »

why even take the chance that there is a brake problem? fit new pipes. You can't paint flexible pipes, they are rubber. What's more they arent difficult or expensive to swap

It's the rusty floor and cills you should worry about

it will be done properly. i am just wondering why it all went wrong in a year and if these are subjective views. when my mechanic looks i will know more

corktina

you are confused. The brake pipes people talk about painting are the fixed metal pipes which are joined to the calipers by flexile rubber pipes.

the broken spring is a concern too as well as the rust, both of those will cost a lot more to fix than flexible brake pipes

In fairness, in a year almost anything could go wrong with a car

FordDriver

corktina wrote: »

you are confused. The brake pipes people talk about painting are the fixed metal pipes which are joined to the calipers by flexile rubber pipes.

the broken spring is a concern too as well as the rust, both of those will cost a lot more to fix than flexible brake pipes

In fairness, in a year almost anything could go wrong with a car

oh i see re pipes ,did not understand thanks.

how much is a spring? the rust is going to be done with fiberglass i think. my mechanic has not looked at it underneath yet

Fatswaldo

• Primary structure corrosion floor panel nearside
• Primary structure corrosion door sills offside

Fibreglass???:eek:

corktina

you can't fix rust in a primary area with fibreglass...you can only bodge it and hide it. If it was your mechanic suggested this, go elsewhere

FordDriver

Fatswaldo wrote: »

• Primary structure corrosion floor panel nearside
• Primary structure corrosion door sills offside

Fibreglass???:eek:

including fiberglass i think i could be wrong i think. my mechanic is someone i would trust more than anyone here. My main point is asking if the tests are uniform and or subjective. no need for any concern it will be done properly

Alanstrainor

FordDriver wrote: »

it will be done properly. i am just wondering why it all went wrong in a year and if these are subjective views. when my mechanic looks i will know more

I mean the car is 14 years old. It may have just passed last year, but things go wrong, rust takes hold etc etc. The car is getting on, it will need money spent to keep it going.

Fatswaldo

The two corrosion items and the suspension faults are major safety issues. whether they were there before to a lesser degree or not is immaterial. They must be addressed - or scrap the car!

FordDriver

Fatswaldo wrote: »

The two corrosion items and the suspension faults are major safety issues. whether they were there before to a lesser degree or not is immaterial. They must be addressed - or scrap the car!

did you not read they will be addressed. it is not immaterial. the point of this is to ask if the tests are uniform or subjective.

There was someone else who was told to replace a part i cannot recall what but they did not says which one. it must have been some part with a nearside/offside. that is pretty much a joke to me

How are the report forms filled in.. does the tester tick a box to say near side x with fault or type it in

corktina

FordDriver wrote: »

did you not read they will be addressed. it is not immaterial. the point of this is to ask if the tests are uniform or subjective.

There was someone else who was told to replace a part i cannot recall what but they did not says which one. it must have been some part with a nearside/offside. that is pretty much a joke to me

How are the report forms filled in.. does the tester tick a box to say near side x with fault or type it in

There's nothing subjective about a broken spring or a rotten structural member. They must be replaced properly .

Don't you have the report form?

FordDriver

corktina wrote: »

There's nothing subjective about a broken spring or a rotten structural member. They must be replaced properly .

Don't you have the report form?

how is it determined if the structural member is rotten? is it by looking?

i have the form and i said they will be replaced or repaired as needed

Fatswaldo

My point was that if it were subjective or not it does not matter, its there now. An NCT is like an audit - just a snapshot of how things were found on that day. I'd actually count myself lucky that the issues were discovered before they caused a accident.

ohbygod

I found that the nct testers have got harder on testing the cars. My car failed 1st time round. There was a rusty hole which my mechanic never spotted he filled it up with black putty stuff. It also fail on the emissions and a front shock. I had 2 get a need 2 new shocks and a new cat.

corktina

FordDriver wrote: »

how is it determined if the structural member is rotten? is it by looking?

i have the form and i said they will be replaced or repaired as needed

usually pretty obvious if there's problem. They might tap with a small hammer, but they aren't allowed to prod with a screwdriver. For your own safety you need to make sure a welded repair is carried out.

FordDriver

Fatswaldo wrote: »

My point was that if it were subjective or not it does not matter, its there now. An NCT is like an audit - just a snapshot of how things were found on that day. I'd actually count myself lucky that the issues were discovered before they caused a accident.

of course it matters. if they are subjective opinion it is only their opinion the fault exists at all or to the extent the tester said. i know many mechanics with serious reservations re the nct and know of several fails/nothing done/ retest by different tester and passed.

It is not like an audit. Two auditors will find the same and will be using the same methods not subjective opinion

That is why i asked is there any objective way to determine if then structural member is rotten. is it just by looking

And there is no reference to being dangeous on my report it does not have the danger code only the fail code nor was i told of any danger in the short term while it is being fixed

FordDriver

corktina wrote: »

usually pretty obvious if there's problem. They might tap with a small hammer, but they aren't allowed to prod with a screwdriver. For your own safety you need to make sure a welded repair is carried out.

would weld have fiberglass over it? thought there was mention of fiberglass. anyway i trust my mechanic much more than any nct tester and my car will be repaired when he is finished

corktina

FordDriver wrote: »

would weld have fiberglass over it? thought there was mention of fiberglass. anyway i trust my mechanic much more than any nct tester and my car will be repaired when he is finished

no. paint.

FordDriver

corktina wrote: »

no. paint.

ok well the mechanic has not see the car underneath yet. he will know what to do.

FordDriver

I have 28 days to retest .If an appointment is not available for the retest in that time is it a penalty point offense to drive it?

slimjimmc

FordDriver wrote: »

I have 28 days to retest .If an appointment is not available for the retest in that time is it a penalty point offense to drive it?

Only after the old NCT cert expires. If you have a current valid cert you can drive until it expires unless the tester has deemed the car unsafe.

corktina

slimjimmc wrote: »

Only after the old NCT cert expires.

re-test should be avaible if you ring for it

FordDriver

slimjimmc wrote: »

Only after the old NCT cert expires. If you have a current valid cert you can drive until it expires unless the tester has deemed the car unsafe.

so if the old cert expires but i am still in the 28 day period i can drive?

challengemaster

FordDriver wrote: »

so if the old cert expires but i am still in the 28 day period i can drive?

no

Bigus

Irish people used to repair structural rust holes in old corolla k 30 s and Mazda 323 s with fibreglass and then spray over to get what looked like factory finish.

However NCT don't like fiberglass (correctly), but are quiet happy with farmers gate welds and a metal finish as rough as a bear's arsë , once it's done in metal, and maybe painted Matt black or Schultz

So because you're not looking for a factory finish , structural repairs can be done cheaply.

slimjimmc

FordDriver wrote: »

so if the old cert expires but i am still in the 28 day period i can drive?

No. I wasn't clear enough.
You cannot drive once your current cert expires no matter when your test/retest date is.

FordDriver

slimjimmc wrote: »

No. I wasn't clear enough.
You cannot drive once your current cert expires no matter when your test/retest date is.

Ok thank you

FordDriver

Bigus wrote: »

Irish people used to repair structural rust holes in old corolla k 30 s and Mazda 323 s with fibreglass and then spray over to get what looked like factory finish.

However NCT don't like fiberglass (correctly), but are quiet happy with farmers gate welds and a metal finish as rough as a bear's arsë , once it's done in metal, and maybe painted Matt black or Schultz

So because you're not looking for a factory finish , structural repairs can be done cheaply.

why don't nct like fiberglass if it was good enough for the old mazdas. i was reading about it and it said it is better than isopon as it does not draw or hold moisture. My structure is under the car so a farmers gate weld is fine by me

corktina

because it isn't good enough, there is no strength in it. The guy is saying they used to get away with it....

FordDriver

corktina wrote: »

because it isn't good enough, there is no strength in it. The guy is saying they used to get away with it....

ok be ok for non structural repairs?

corktina

Yes.

FordDriver

corktina wrote: »

Yes.

would it be easier to use than isopon on a small non structural hole.

corktina

FordDriver wrote: »

would it be easier to use than isopon on a small non structural hole.

essentilly the same thing. fibreglass matting reinforces the isopon paste.

FordDriver

I was offered 600 euro trade in for a 04 fiesta. 1200 if it had test. Is that good?

And if it turns out not to be worth repairing should i sell for scrap/trade or keep and sell parts

FordDriver

corktina wrote: »

you can't fix rust in a primary area with fibreglass...you can only bodge it and hide it. If it was your mechanic suggested this, go elsewhere

he didn't

A site i cannot link says

What can fiberglass filler be used on?

This filler can be used over bare metal or fiberglass. In auto body, it is normally the first coat applied over welded repair.

maybe that is what he meant

FordDriver

My car passed the retest last week. Knew my mech would fix whatever it needed. How much would i get for it? Very clean and in general good condition

2k?

ohbygod

FordDriver wrote: »

My car passed the retest last week. Knew my mech would fix whatever it needed. How much would i get for it? Very clean and in general good condition

2k?

Ya ask for 2k you can always come down in price

jetfiremuck

Lovely dunk on Duffy......

FordDriver

jetfiremuck wrote: »

Lovely dunk on Duffy......

what does this mean

Jesus.

FordDriver, by the looks of this thread you were the latest victim of the arseholery that goes on on this Board when someone has the nerve to ask a few questions. I don't know why people can't be more civil when someone has a couple of genuine queries.

Seriously, you're taking your life in your own hands when you start a thread in this place

CJhaughey

Jesus. wrote: »

Seriously, you're taking your life in your own hands when you start a thread in this place

Yep, you could be crucified!

FordDriver

Jesus. wrote: »

FordDriver, by the looks of this thread you were the latest victim of the arseholery that goes on on this Board when someone has the nerve to ask a few questions. I don't know why people can't be more civil when someone has a couple of genuine queries.

Seriously, you're taking your life in your own hands when you start a thread in this place

but what does Lovely dunk on Duffy......mean? Is it a slang reply?

Jesus.

Fukked if I know

ba_barabus

Out of interest OP how did the mechanic sort the holes? Did he fill them with fiberglas or weld them?

FordDriver

ba_barabus wrote: »

Out of interest OP how did the mechanic sort the holes? Did he fill them with fiberglas or weld them?

i think he welded a piece in and then put fiberglass but i may have misunderstood. he said the rust part is fixed for good i.e for the life of the car