Transferring uk licence - penalty points

Markyy27

I have been driving in the Ireland on my Northern Ireland licence for the last 10 years and have gained about 10 penalty points in that time. I am about to transfer the licence over and want to know will I now get all the points together. At I at risk of being banned. It says u only get banned if you get 12 points in 3 years.

corktina

there probably is no need to transfer the license at all, it's acceptable EU wide

CiniO

Markyy27 wrote: »

I have been driving in the Ireland on my Northern Ireland licence for the last 10 years and have gained about 10 penalty points in that time. I am about to transfer the licence over and want to know will I now get all the points together. At I at risk of being banned. It says u only get banned if you get 12 points in 3 years.

Yes, once you swap your licence, you will be awarded this 10 points.
However you won't get banned yet, until you collect another 2.

MarkAnthony

Why would they transfer the lapsed points?

Also lighter shoes.

Mycroft H

Because they never got a chance to lapse, they were never added to a licence

MarkAnthony

Mycroft H wrote: »

Because they never got a chance to lapse, they were never added to a licence

Ah IC. Some insurer is going to be rubbing their hands with glee.

Markyy27

MarkAnthony wrote: »

Ah IC. Some insurer is going to be rubbing their hands with glee.

I think it's only 10, I drive for work, so can't take the chance

MarkAnthony

Markyy27 wrote: »

I think it's only 10, I drive for work, so can't take the chance

Definitely 12 points on an Irish licence. As indicated though getting insured is going to be fun.

Greenmachine

Were all of these points in the last 3 years?

Into The Blue

Instead of transferring, can you sit a test and get a fresh irish licence? Or is that a fiddle?

MarkAnthony

Into The Blue wrote: »

Instead of transferring, can you sit a test and get a fresh irish licence? Or is that a fiddle?

With ten points! I think he might struggle! :pac:

Markyy27

Greenmachine wrote: »

Were all of these points in the last 3 years?

No, there are no pints in the last 3 years

Mycroft H

Into The Blue wrote: »

Instead of transferring, can you sit a test and get a fresh irish licence? Or is that a fiddle?

Ever so slightly. I think your not allowed to hold to EU licences in the one category.

Into The Blue

MarkAnthony wrote: »

With ten points! I think he might struggle! :pac:

What would make him have to declare the uk licence? Isn't that what the points are against..

Into The Blue

Mycroft H wrote: »

Ever so slightly. I think your not allowed to hold to EU licences in the one category.

Oh right. Sound.

CiniO

Into The Blue wrote: »

Instead of transferring, can you sit a test and get a fresh irish licence? Or is that a fiddle?

That wouldn't make any difference...
Upon receiving Irish licence he will got the points anyway, no matter if it's through exchange of foreing licence or through passing a test.

MarkAnthony

Into The Blue wrote: »

What would make him have to declare the uk licence? Isn't that what the points are against..

To be fair I misread the OP too. He's got point in Ireland (Republic) driving on a UK licence so they haven't been applied anywhere. OP do you have points on the UK licence. That might also be an issue if they get added together.

Greenmachine

Markyy27 wrote: »

No, there are no pints in the last 3 years

Surely they are expired now.

Markyy27

MarkAnthony wrote: »

To be fair I misread the OP too. He's got point in Ireland (Republic) driving on a UK licence so they haven't been applied anywhere. OP do you have points on the UK licence. That might also be an issue if they get added together.

I don't have any points from the uk

CiniO

Into The Blue wrote: »

What would make him have to declare the uk licence? Isn't that what the points are against..

No. Points are in Ireland against future Irish licence.
They are just not active, as OP didn't hole Irish licence upon receiving them.

CiniO

Greenmachine wrote: »

Surely they are expired now.

No, they are not.
As they are just in the register and were never applied to any licence, they never expire.

CiniO

MarkAnthony wrote: »

To be fair I misread the OP too. He's got point in Ireland (Republic) driving on a UK licence so they haven't been applied anywhere. OP do you have points on the UK licence. That might also be an issue if they get added together.

UK penalty points and Irish points can not be mixed or added together or exchanged.
So his points on UK licence are completely irrelevant here.

Markyy27

CiniO wrote: »

UK penalty points and Irish points can not be mixed or added together or exchanged.
So his points on UK licence are completely irrelevant here.

Technically it says you can only be disqualified if you get 12 points in 3 years. My points weren't, so it should apply

MarkAnthony

CiniO wrote: »

UK penalty points and Irish points can not be mixed or added together or exchanged.
So his points on UK licence are completely irrelevant here.

I thought there was mutual recognition now? Perhaps only for disqualifications.

CiniO

Markyy27 wrote: »

Technically it says you can only be disqualified if you get 12 points in 3 years. My points weren't, so it should apply

But is that what it says, or does it say that you get disqualified, if you collect 12 points on your licence?
Because in that case it makes a big difference.

corktina

CiniO wrote: »

Yes, once you swap your licence, you will be awarded this 10 points.
However you won't get banned yet, until you collect another 2.

i doubt you are right, can you show this? I beleive that a ghost license is created and the points added to that, and thus they will expire in time.

CiniO

corktina wrote: »

i doubt you are right, can you show this? I beleive that a ghost license is created and the points added to that, and thus they will expire in time.

I don't have any links now, but I clearly recall someone here on the forum showed that points on the ghost licence never expire.

Markyy27

CiniO wrote: »

But is that what it says, or does it say that you get disqualified, if you collect 12 points on your licence?
Because in that case it makes a big difference.

It definitely says within a 3 year period...it's quite clear

rocky

corktina wrote: »

i doubt you are right, can you show this? I beleive that a ghost license is created and the points added to that, and thus they will expire in time.

My 2007 points expired in 2014, 3 years after exchanging for an Irish license in 2011. Cinio is correct.

Greenmachine

Why were they not applied? Did you decide to turn up in court a number of time on purpose without your license so they couldn't be applied. Why is it only becoming an issue now that you want to change to an Irish license.
Hope you are not trying to use the Irish license as a means of them ever being applied.

blastman

Greenmachine wrote: »

Why were they not applied? Did you decide to turn up in court a number of time on purpose without your license so they couldn't be applied. Why is it only becoming an issue now that you want to change to an Irish license.
Hope you are not trying to use the Irish license as a means of them ever being applied.

Did you read the thread at all?

Greenmachine

blastman wrote: »

Did you read the thread at all?

Did you?

corktina

I don't think there was a question of turning up in Court, he got points for speeding, presumably paid the fines but having a UK license the points couldn't be applied (even by a Court) Now he wants an Irish license for whatever reason (maybe he has loads of NI points on his UK license) and wants to know will the Irish points follow him to a new Irish license.

That's how I read the thread.....

PS you can't avoid points by not presenting your license....your license is in effect the file on the computer and what you have in your wallet is merely evidence of that

keithclancy

Legislation was introduced but the system was not in place to make it a reality:

http://www.thejournal.ie/penalty-points-cross-border-ireland-623966-Oct2012/

Legislation introduced in 2010 already makes it possible for overseas drivers to accrue penalty points while in Ireland through the creation of a ‘shadow’ licence, but the appropriate IT systems have not yet been introduce to make the law a reality.

So I don't think anything was recorded before 2013 at the very least.

Also they would need to obtain your license details from relevant authority.

Moral of the story...keep your UK licence and forget about the points.

keithclancy

Edgar Poor Condo wrote: »

Moral of the story...keep your UK licence and forget about the points.

If you're not living in the UK anymore you can't renew the Photo Card, if you make a false declaration you risk a fine or prison.

From the DirectGov page:

"I declare that I am resident in the UK and understand that it is a criminal offence to make a false declaration to get a driving licence and that to do so can lead to prosecution and a maximum penalty of up to two years imprisonment. I also understand that failing to provide information is an offence and could lead to prosecution and a fine of up to £1000."

keithclancy

keithclancy wrote: »

If you're not living in the UK anymore you can't renew the Photo Card, if you make a false declaration you risk a fine or prison.

From the DirectGov page:

Chances of actually being caught are pretty slim, especially if you have a valid address. "Sure wasn't I moved back to the UK and didn't a job come up at home again......"

I will certainly be seriously considering renewing my one if its still worth while having it. Still have a bank a/c, address etc over there.

keithclancy

Edgar Poor Condo wrote: »

Chances of actually being caught are pretty slim, especially if you have a valid address. "Sure wasn't I moved back to the UK and didn't a job come up at home again......"

I will certainly be seriously considering renewing my one if its still worth while having it. Still have a bank a/c, address etc over there.

The chances of being caught for anything are very slim.

All they would have to do is examine your National Insurance contributions and it would be pretty obvious.

A colleague of mine working here in Germany but living in the UK renewed his last and was grilled on his situation. Since he works in Germany he has no income in the UK and is insured through the German system.

In his case it was legit because he is actually living in the UK and just commuting to Germany.

corktina

the chances of getting caught for murder are slight too..... we can't advocate it though can we!

keithclancy

keithclancy wrote: »

The chances of being caught for anything are very slim.

All they would have to do is examine your National Insurance contributions and it would be pretty obvious.

A colleague of mine working here in Germany but living in the UK renewed his last and was grilled on his situation. Since he works in Germany he has no income in the UK and is insured through the German system.

In his case it was legit because he is actually living in the UK and just commuting to Germany.

"I moved back over a few weeks ago and I am looking for work, look a these jobs I applied to....."

Its a good few years before mine is out anyway, I only applied for it in my last week living in the UK :pac:

keithclancy

Edgar Poor Condo wrote: »

"I moved back over a few weeks ago and I am looking for work, look a these jobs I applied to....."

Its a good few years before mine is out anyway, I only applied for it in my last week living in the UK :pac:

Travelling and staying in the UK for a few weeks pretending you are looking for work seems a bit much just to renew a driving license.

keithclancy

keithclancy wrote: »

Travelling and staying in the UK for a few weeks pretending you are looking for work seems a bit much just to renew a driving license.

Never said anything about actually being over there a few weeks.

Its 4 years away anyway so not something I'm thinking about, mightn't even be worth while if they transfer points etc.

keithclancy

Edgar Poor Condo wrote: »

Never said anything about actually being over there a few weeks.

Its 4 years away anyway so not something I'm thinking about, mightn't even be worth while if they transfer points etc.

So if you lied and just said you were there and they asked you for proof of your story you would be screwed.

Markyy27

keithclancy wrote: »

So if you lied and just said you were there and they asked you for proof of your story you would be screwed.

Dose that mean that any points gained before 2010 can never be applied