nppr

johnnystime

Hi all, Im just wondering. I got a letter today for from Co.council saying I owe over 7k regarding nppr on rental property.(I'm not disputing bill as I know it is my own fault)We moved from rental house in in march 2011. Any idea what payment amount I will have to make and how will I prove I moved out in march 2011?

filbert the fox

The contents of your thread is confusing.

Did you own a second property for which NPPR was due for the relevant period?

If so you were obliged to pay the annual fee of 200 euro. If you didn't you are required to pay the penalty.

johnnystime

filbert the fox wrote: »

The contents of your thread is confusing.

Did you own a second property for which NPPR was due for the relevant period?

If so you were obliged to pay the annual fee of 200 euro. If you didn't you are required to pay the penalty.

Sorry filbert the fox I didn't explain myself correctly. We moved from our primary residence which we own. We then rented out that property, and moved to free accommodation(my wife's parents) while we built our new home. We are In our new home since January 2014.

Alan Shore

You should check out www.npprappeal.ie

filbert the fox

Hang on a sec, BE CAREFUL.

This may look like an official site which the Oireachtas set up but it ain't.

shaydy

Are the NPPR or the LPT an allowable deduction against case V income?

Sunny Dayz

shaydy wrote: »

Are the NPPR or the LPT an allowable deduction against case V income?

No they are not tax deductible against rental income - neither is the household charge.

shaydy

Thanks, are they an allowable deduction to CGT then?

Sunny Dayz

shaydy wrote: »

Thanks, are they an allowable deduction to CGT then?

No they are not allowable for CGT either. AFAIK the liabilities for NPPR, LPT, HHC must be discharged when selling the house.

shaydy

Cheers

filbert the fox

NPPRAppeal wrote: »

Regarding the website NPPRAppeal.ie - its a site thats just been set up to share personal stories & success stories. Nobody has to contribute or take action on recommendations on the site.

Theres been a number of success stories on people appealing the tax - we need to make those stories publicly available so others can follow the same steps.

Any feedback on this site would be very welcome into how we can improve the format/layout/wording/etc. I'll add a 'mission statement' to make the website more clear.

Regarding NPPRappeal.ie, In brief:

1. The logo for NPPR used on this website is surely copyright.

2. A casual browser of the site may be misled into thinking that this is somehow an official means of appealling the charge, whereas the reality is that no such appeal is recognised.

3. There is no doubt but that the system used to introduce the NPPR tax and subsequent advertising left a lot to be desired. Notwithstanding, I firmly believe that many defaulters could not have been unaware of their liability to pay the tax. It was widely debated over the airwaves and written about extensively in the press.

4. I accept that the NPPR penalties are disproportionate, but so are penalties in other areas. For example, in Dublin City a parking clamp release fee of €80 applies to a possible non payment of the paltry sum of 20 cent for the time you were delayed by e.g. talking to your mate. This is an almost instant 400 times the amount applied (20c*5 *80) resulting from non payment of the fee. No grace period is allowed and the fees are taken within 24 hours. You have to suffer the humiliation of visibly waiting nearby 'till the clampers are ready to let you go.
This is "known" practice in the jurisdiction, yet it doesn't stop the Council collecting €4,200,000 in clamping fees last year.
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5. I don't agree that the public at large should pay for the bailout. But hey, we're here and it's better than e.g. having no money in ATMs. However I do believe in the need for all citizens to the treated equally and those who always pay should not be expected to subsidise the defaulters.


6. There is an innate reluctance among a minority of citizens to face their responsibilities forcing the authorities to introduce such penal rates as a disincentive for non payment.

p.s. I have no affiliation to any group, political party, organisation etc.

jdpl28

Hi Filbert the Fox - appreciate all your concerns.

I guess the main focus of the website is that there are many many individuals that were not in the country - either due to financial hardship or other reasons that were just completely unaware of the tax & had no way of being made aware of it. The website details many of these personal stories. Some of these people subsequently appealed & received 50% discount on the charges - but this is done inconsistently.... Again, this is a big focus of the website.

If you get a clamp on your car - you know all about it. Its the silent accumulation of the charges thats the biggest issue.

Appreciate everyone is seeing this from a different angle & totally appreciate there are many people in the country that probably did know about the charge but just didn't pay....

Feedback on the logo will be passed on - its a very valid point & should be addressed.

dizzy23

I hear ya. same thing happened us. you are liable if you move out of the house . basically we sent bills proving ww were living there for certain period and then made a payment plan. basically paid 180e per month to clear it.

jdpl28

Detailed information on if you are able to appeal the tax & steps you can take to obtain 50% refund on the tax:

npprappeal.ie/appealing-the-penalty.html

donaghs

jdpl28 wrote: »

Detailed information on if you are able to appeal the tax & steps you can take to obtain 50% refund on the tax:

npprappeal.ie/appealing-the-penalty.html

Anyone successfully appeal an NPPR charge, for any of the reasons listed?

Home owners are resident outside the country for some considerable time and visited the country infrequently
The property was not managed by an agent during the relevant period
They owned no more than one property liable for the NPPR charge
They did not by their own actions, or inaction, hinder the local authority from notifying them of their liability by their own actions or inaction.
They were not notified of the liability by the local authority before penalties accrued.