Guy who killed and dismembered his mother

Ralf and Florian

Very horrific case,some of might remember when her remains were found there was an appeal to identify her and it was rightly assumed that she was Irish.The son is clearly bat**** crazy but his fathers attitude is very strange.He insists that he is "innocent",wether he means that someone else did it or that the son wasen't responsible for his actions through insanity isin't clear.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-30814617

Ghost Buster

Ralf and Florian wrote: »

Very horrific case,some of might remember when her remains were found there was an appeal to identify her and it was rightly assumed that she was Irish.The son is clearly bat**** crazy but his fathers attitude is very strange.He insists that he is "innocent",wether he means that someone else did it or that the son wasen't responsible for his actions through insanity isin't clear.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-30814617

The pope will punch him.

jimgoose

Kill her, Norman. Kill the slut!!

RobYourBuilder

He beat and strangled her before cutting off her head and legs.

F*cking hell.

Passing sentence, Lord Jones also ordered Dunleavy be supervised by the authorities for nine years following his release from prison.

He added: "I will impose an extended sentence of 18 years. The custodial element will be nine years."

C*unt will be out in less than a decade. Jokeshop.

On leaving court, Dunleavy's father, Seamus told reporters that he was glad his son was being sent to prison.

Me too, buddy. Me too.

He's innocent," he said.

Very odd statement to make. He's innocent but he's glad he's in jail?

blatantrereg

He means that he's not responsible for his actions. If he thought he didn't do it he wouldn't be glad he's been sent to prison. He's glad his son't been locked up because he's very dangerous.

If they accept that he killed his mother because he thought she was a reptile they must accept that he is psychotic, separately from whether he's psychopathic. It's almost like the two terms have been confused somewhere reading the article.

The thing about putting him in a psychiatric hospital is that it would be possible for him to be released relatively shortly. It does seem like a case where removing someone from the general population is necessary for safety reasons, rather than anything to do with punishment or justice.

I think there's probably a lot of mentally unwell people sent to prison. I remember a study indicating that a large portion of inmates are in any case, though I imagine prison would be as conducive to developing psychiatric illness as psychiatric illness might be to getting sent to prison.

NIMAN

How much of a naggin' bag must that mother have been?

jimgoose

RobYourBuilder wrote: »

...Very odd statement to make. He's innocent but he's glad he's in jail?

All joking aside, that boy is not right in the head. He is gravely ill, and his father loves him.

I can't accept that anyone who does something like that is in their right mind. I hope he gets the help he needs.

Ralf and Florian

According to this the family refused to help the police,very odd.

http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/crime/james-dunleavy-convicted-murdering-mum-3033128

Philo Beddoe

blatantrereg wrote: »

The thing about putting him in a psychiatric hospital is that it would be possible for him to be released relatively shortly. It does seem like a case where removing someone from the general population is necessary for safety reasons, rather than anything to do with punishment or justice.

Isn't the reverse also true, that putting him in a psychiatric hospital it's possible he would never be released? And surely if he's being removed from the population for safety reasons a prison, from where his eventual release is certain, is not the place for him?

DEFTLEFTHAND

The poor old father probably can't come to terms with what his son did and is in denial.

blatantrereg

Philo Beddoe wrote: »

Isn't the reverse also true, that putting him in a psychiatric hospital it's possible he would never be released? And surely if he's being removed from the population for safety reasons a prison, from where his eventual release is certain, is not the place for him?

Yes. A hospital would be the correct place for him from my reading. In my previous post I was thinking about very early release (via tribunal or otherwise) but perhaps that is not a realistic possibility in this context.

I can't see his mental health improving in prison. Eventually he will be released and will surely still be dangerous. So it's a mistake to send him to prison.

seamus

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capgras_delusion

According to this the family refused to help the police,very odd.

Could be a number of elements at play. A brother was killed in a drugs feud, so the family may be no stranger to the law and innately close ranks when they come a-knocking. The fact that it was the British police may have further caused them to be un-cooperative.
There's also still a massive stigma around mental illness. This man has likely been mentally ill through his whole life, has gone through various episodes and frequently been involved in violent incidents with his family, which they have continually covered up, because mental illness is something you have to keep in the family and get no-one else involved.

Although horrifically more violent, this is just another psychotic episode that the family want to cover up.

darkdubh

I remember this,didn't the mother have really expensive dental work,something like 100 Grands worth and that was how they identified her?

A Dub in Glasgo

They identified her from the reconstruction of the face from the Dundee University team

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/crime-courts/crucial-image-that-put-a-face-to-womans-body-found-on-hill.23205393

strobe

blatantrereg wrote: »

He means that he's not responsible for his actions. If he thought he didn't do it he wouldn't be glad he's been sent to prison. He's glad his son't been locked up because he's very dangerous.

If they accept that he killed his mother because he thought she was a reptile they must accept that he is psychotic, separately from whether he's psychopathic. It's almost like the two terms have been confused somewhere reading the article.

The thing about putting him in a psychiatric hospital is that it would be possible for him to be released relatively shortly. It does seem like a case where removing someone from the general population is necessary for safety reasons, rather than anything to do with punishment or justice.

I think there's probably a lot of mentally unwell people sent to prison. I remember a study indicating that a large portion of inmates are in any case, though I imagine prison would be as conducive to developing psychiatric illness as psychiatric illness might be to getting sent to prison.

Get up outta that with your common sense and reason ye dirtbag.