Wind problems - would you buy?

liverbear

I have been offered a very well bred horse that has noise for what I consider a good price. He will need to be hobdayed.

Has anyone any thoughts on this? Would you steer clear?

irish_major

liverbear wrote: »

I have been offered a very well bred horse that has noise for what I consider a good price. He will need to be hobdayed.

Has anyone any thoughts on this? Would you steer clear?

I would avoid at all costs.
You need a massive amount of luck in owning horses, speaking from experience, and this is a bad start to begin with. Horse wont race for probably 1 1/2 years and you can be sure something else with crop up before then.
I also found that this was often a cop out of an excuse if the horse just wasnt good enough.

liverbear

Thinking that way. I didn't think they would be out for that long, thought maybe 2 months.

The price looks too good to be true on breeding and the price he achieved as a foal. Just turned 2.

bellybuster12

liverbear wrote: »

I have been offered a very well bred horse that has noise for what I consider a good price. He will need to be hobdayed.

Has anyone any thoughts on this? Would you steer clear?

As tempting as it might be to get into a well bred type i 100% agree with the above. Also if your're patient there is so many good opportunities to get your hands on a nice type.

liverbear

I have a nice 2 year old in training and a 5 year old ready to run, so I have enough spent at the minute but as you say it is hard to say no when tempted by the pedigree. If in doubt stay out!!

fits

What is the extent of the obstruction, or have they been able to stick a camera down his throat. (perhaps not if he's un broken)

bellybuster12

liverbear wrote: »

I have a nice 2 year old in training and a 5 year old ready to run, so I have enough spent at the minute but as you say it is hard to say no when tempted by the pedigree. If in doubt stay out!!

Very good, exciting times ahead so, best of luck!

liverbear

Thanks bellybuster12. I can't wait to have my first runner.

fits I am only going my what I was told. I am going to get a vet to have a look at him and will no more then. No regrets that way.

fits

Indeed. For a proper assessment they will need to put a camera down his neck and observe him while working on the gallops. Then they can tell how much his airflow is being obstructed and whether a hobday or other treatment can help him. If he' is of excellent breeding and well put together otherwise, i'd probably talk to a vet at least.

nuckeythompson

sounds like the last car I bought, disaster. great price but needed a bit of work. agree with the above. be interesting if it will even see a racecourse. best of luck with the others

Peintre Celebre

Is he a flat bred or a NH horse? If flat bred he should be broken and been in training for several months. Would avoid at all costs anyway...

junospider

Mr mulligan failed the vet for wind problems.Won a gold cup.Just sayin!

irish_major

junospider wrote: »

Mr mulligan failed the vet for wind problems.Won a gold cup.Just sayin!

And someones going to win the lotto saturday night

Robson99

junospider wrote: »

Mr mulligan failed the vet for wind problems.Won a gold cup.Just sayin!

Denman also. Many horses have wind ops and went on to win races

liverbear

Peintre Celebre wrote: »

Is he a flat bred or a NH horse? If flat bred he should be broken and been in training for several months. Would avoid at all costs anyway...

Flat bred. I am much more of a NH man. Horse is backed wont need much more work but i haven't seen him yet. Was a late foal (April). There are some nice hurdle winners by the sire and dam sire but really the page is all flat.

Probably asking the question a bit early but the page did excite me.

I know of good horses that have had their wind done, but i assumed this was an exception and the horse wouldn't be offered to me if any hope was held out for him, especially given the initial auction price.

liverbear

Robson99 wrote: »

Denman also. Many horses have wind ops and went on to win races

Tidal bay and party politics as well.

I think bayan too

rossom

I think Nicholls gets a wind op done to virtually everyone one of his horses at one stage or another.

Rock On Ruby has had several in his career.

irish_major

Nearly all these horses have shown something before they have a wind op.

BumperD

liverbear wrote: »

I have been offered a very well bred horse that has noise for what I consider a good price. He will need to be hobdayed.

Has anyone any thoughts on this? Would you steer clear?

If its a soft palet cautery, no, if anything else, yes.

Peintre Celebre

Yeah ignoring his wind problem for a minute, the horse is already in training there's a reason he is going for so cheap versus his sales price. He must be USELESS

liverbear

Peintre Celebre wrote: »

Yeah ignoring his wind problem for a minute, the horse is already in training there's a reason he is going for so cheap versus his sales price. He must be USELESS

He is not in training only lunged for the sales

Peintre Celebre

liverbear wrote: »

He is not in training only lunged for the sales

Would you not find this concerning, I assume he's been broken? Are you sure there haven't been other problems, this is late even for an April foal

Winning Ways Racing

Certain owners/trainers adopt this type of buying policy. They buy four or five from the Aga/Darley etc with wind problems or leg problems. They do whatever the have to and within 6 months they have moved on two or three duds. They work with the ones they have left and generally one of them turns out to be a winner. They view it as much much cheaper than going out and buying pricier types. They also get a kick out of it (like I'm sure Dr Newland does).

In my view, its a difficult proposition. Buying a horse you know has a problem day one. But if you buy in volume and clear out quickly, I can see the logic. Not sure I would take the chance on just one though.

BorneTobyWilde

If you bought it, trained it and fixed wind problem you could resell fast for a profit? Is that possible?

Huntthe

Do yourself a favour stay away. Enough stuff can go wrong without knowingly buying one with a problem.

liverbear

To update.

I got the horse scoped. He was a 4. Needed tie back and hobday. Stayed away.

I see someone else has run him finished last. Lucky escape. They must not have got him done.

Probably can't name the horse here but was by danehill dancer out of a montjeu mare