the 4 provinces if only IQ players could be picked

justsomebloke

Ok, give me your 4 provincial 23's if only Irish Qualified players could be picked.

Each province is allowed to keep any IQ player from their extended squad that would be required to make a starting 23. however after that trades or loans are allowed from other provinces to make the 4 best match day 23s.

Each province is allowed 1 Project player.

.ak

Too easy for Leinster...

Healy
Strauss
Ross
Toner
McCarthy
Ruddock
SOB
Heaslip
Reddan
Sexton/Madigan
Dave Kearney
Darce
Fitzgerald
McFadden
Rob Kearney

Cronin
McGrath
Moore
Marshall
Murphy
McGrath
Madigan/Marsh
McGrath

Buer

On the basis that it's next season. Te'o is designated project player.

Healy, Strauss, Ross, McCarthy, Toner, Ruddock, SOB, Heaslip, Reddan, Sexton, Fitzgerald, D'Arcy, Te'o, McFadden, Kearney

Cronin, McGrath, Moore, Kearney, Murphy, McGrath, Madigan, Kearney

.ak

.ak wrote: »

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Cronin
McGrath
Moore
Marshall
Murphy
McGrath
Madigan/Marsh
McGrath

Name change from Cronin to Mronin?

.ak

Is that true? (about T'eo)

Zzippy

Connacht

Denis Buckley
Jason Harris-Wright
Nathan White
Mick Kearney
Aly Muldowney
John Muldoon
Jake Heenan (Project)
Eoin McKeon
Kieran Marmion
Craig Ronaldson
Matt Healy
Dave McSharry
Robbie Henshaw
Fionn Carr/Niyi Adeolokun
Darragh Leader

Sean Henry
Ronan Loughney
Rodney Ah You
Andrew Browne
Willie Faloon
Caolin Blade/John Cooney
Miah Nikora
Tiernan O'Halloran

bilston

Black
Best
Herbst (project)
O'Connor
Tuohy
Henderson
Henry
Wilson
Marshall
Jackson
Bowe
Olding
Cave
Trimble
Payne

Herring
Warwick
Fitzpatrick
Stevenson
Diack
Heaney
Marshall/McCloskey
Gilroy

Some worrying selections in there!

Buer

.ak wrote: »

Is that true? (about T'eo)

Project in so far as he can play for Ireland if he lasts 3 years here. He has no restrictions against him.

Larbre34

Project players should be banned unless they are IQ right now. (for the purposes of the discussion of course)

Buer

Fair enough!

Then my back line would be: Reddan, Sexton, Kearney, D'Arcy, Fitzgerald, McFadden, Kearney with Reid on the bench.

Kev_2012

Kilcoyne
Varley
Archer
Foley
O'Connell
O'Mahony
O'Donnell
Stander......soon Otherwise Copeland
Murray
Keatley
Zebo
JJ
Earls
Conway
Jones

Casey
Cronin
Ryan
DOC
Dougall/DOC2
Duncan Donuts Williams
Johne Murphy
Ivan Dineen

Hagz

Leinster
R. Kearney, McFadden, Fitzgerald, D'Arcy, D. Kearney, Madigan, Reddan, Healy, Strauss, Ross, Toner, McCarthy, Ruddock, O'Brien, Heaslip

Cronin
McGrath
Moore
O'Callaghan (loan)
Murphy
Boss
Bleyendaal (loan / PP)
Reid

Munster
Jones, Conway, Earls, Hurley, Zebo, Keatley, Murray, Kilcoyne, Casey, Furlong (loan), Foley, O'Connell, O'Mahony, O'Donnell, Stander (PP)

Sherry
Cronin
Archer
Ryan
Copeland
Williams
Hanrahan
Murphy

Ulster
Payne, Bowe, Olding, McCloskey, Trimble, Jackson, Marshall, Bent (loan), Best, Herbst (PP), Tuohy, Henderson, Diack, Henry, Wilson

Herring
Black
Fitzpatrick
O'Connor
Ryan
Heaney
Cave
Gilroy

Connacht
Leader, O'Dea (loan), Henshaw, McSharry, Healy, Humphreys (loan), Marmion, Buckley, Harris-Wright, White, Kearney, Muldowney, McLaughlin (loan), Heenan (PP), Conan (loan)

Dundon (loan)
Loughney
Ah You
Browne
Jennings (loan)
Cooney (loan)
Carty
Allen (loan)

Zzippy

Hagz wrote: »

Connacht
Leader, Poolman, Henshaw, McSharry, Healy, Humphreys (loan), Marmion, Buckley, Harris-Wright, White, Kearney, Muldowney, McLaughlin (loan), Heenan (PP), Conan (loan)

Dundon (loan)
Loughney
Ah You
Holland (loan)
Jennings (loan)
Cooney (loan)
Carty

Poolman is not IQ yet. I'd have Muldoon ahead of McLaughlin, but thanks anyway. And how come we only get 22 players?

Bridge93

What would the provinces look like if they had to pick players who grew up/developed within each one, i.e only those grew up/developed in Leinster can be on the Leinster team.

total former

Bridge93 wrote: »

What would the provinces look like if they had to pick players who grew up/developed within each one, i.e only those grew up/developed in Leinster can be on the Leinster team.

Healy Byrne Moore
Toner Marshall
Ryan Heaslip O'Brien
McGrath Madigan
Kearney D'Arcy Fitzgerald McFadden
Kearney

Not too bad. Fourth-choice hooker and a bit ropey at lock, otherwise a good team.

Hagz

Surely Ruddock counts. He was born in Dublin and went to school in Willow Park and was in the Leinster Academy.

thomond2006

Bridge93 wrote: »

What would the provinces look like if they had to pick players who grew up/developed within each one, i.e only those grew up/developed in Leinster can be on the Leinster team.

Kilcoyne, Casey, Archer, POC, Foley, DOCII, TOD, POM;
Murray, JJH, Zebo, Dineen, Earls, LOD, ROM

Bench: Varley, Cronin, J Ryan, Holland, Butler, Williams, Holland, Scannell

Hagz

thomond2006 wrote: »

Kilcoyne, Casey, Archer, POC, Foley, DOCII, TOD, POM;
Murray, JJH, Zebo, Dineen, Earls, LOD, ROM

Bench: Varley, Cronin, J Ryan, Holland, Butler, Williams, Holland, Scannell

Reddan? Ross? Cronin?

thomond2006

Hagz wrote: »

Reddan? Ross? Cronin?

Traitors. TRAITORS ALL.



I didn't read the post properly.

dtpc191991

Buer wrote: »

Project in so far as he can play for Ireland if he lasts 3 years here. He has no restrictions against him.

There are rumours that T'eo may declare for England on the World Cup so he can partner Burgess as they did in League.

justsomebloke

Bridge93 wrote: »

What would the provinces look like if they had to pick players who grew up/developed within each one, i.e only those grew up/developed in Leinster can be on the Leinster team.

but that wasn't the aim of this post. This was more about replacing our use of NIQ and replacing it with a player transfer/loan scheme between the 4 provinces to maximise the quality of players within the system.

At the moment there are players at each of he provinces, whose own career maybe better served by having an extended loan at one of the other provinces, which would still strengthenthe provinces at the same time. And I was just seeing who people thought these players may be

justsomebloke

ye I don't think we can classify T'eo as a project player for the purposes of this conversation

total former

justsomebloke wrote: »

ye I don't think we can classify T'eo as a project player for the purposes of this conversation

Stop laying your rules trip on us maaan.

But yes, I don't think Te'o will stick around to qualify, but he definitely won't be featuring for England in the World Cup either.

errlloyd

I don't think anyone really expects T'eo to play for either Ireland or England. Aki is a legit project though.

jacothelad

This is a very revealing thread. From an Ulster perspective it shows the relative failure of the Academy to develop forwards compounded by the decline in interest in general outside of the Ulster side. The continuing failure of Ulster sides in the AIL is stark. A lot of this is down to :-
a) The small number of rugby playing schools and the virtual barrier to underage club players even being considered for the Academy.
b) The traditional exodus to Uni. and employment of those school leavers to G.B.
c) The continued 'resistance' to the game from most non-State schools who simply don't want to know.
These are things for which there is no quick fix.

Syd Millar was correct when he said the whole set up needed a Stygian clear out. It didn't really happen. You need to change mindsets as well as personnel. I think dHumph saw the writing on the wall.

Ulster need back row players. There is a surfeit in other provinces. Ulster have too many high quality centres to utilise them all.

Answers on a post card......

bilston

jacothelad wrote: »

I think dHumph saw the writing on the wall.

Either that or he saw his salary treble!

Not disagreeing with you mind.

Fireball07

jacothelad wrote: »

This is a very revealing thread. From an Ulster perspective it shows the relative failure of the Academy to develop forwards compounded by the decline in interest in general outside of the Ulster side. The continuing failure of Ulster sides in the AIL is stark. A lot of this is down to :-
a) The small number of rugby playing schools and the virtual barrier to underage club players even being considered for the Academy.
b) The traditional exodus to Uni. and employment of those school leavers to G.B.
c) The continued 'resistance' to the game from most non-State schools who simply don't want to know.
These are things for which there is no quick fix.

Syd Millar was correct when he said the whole set up needed a Stygian clear out. It didn't really happen. You need to change mindsets as well as personnel. I think dHumph saw the writing on the wall.

Ulster need back row players. There is a surfeit in other provinces. Ulster have too many high quality centres to utilise them all.

Answers on a post card......

It looks an easy solution, but even aside from the fact that you can't really force people to move, at what level do you want this to happen.

Does it happen at a young age, the players who are around 20 or 21? For example, Munster don't have many top centres at senior level but they might be hopeful that Goggin or Scannell will break through, they mightn't want to dump them in favour of a similar prospect at Ulster.

Or do you mean players at a slightly higher level. For example, someone like Luke Marshall who is seriously talented but may struggle to start with competition from Olding & McCloskey, traded for someone like... I dunno, Jordi Murphy at Leinster? It's hard to know who comes off worse in that trade, and supporters don't really want to see more established players leave, even if they're on the fringe of the team, particularly to another province, they often care less if they go abroad.

freyners

Leader, Carr, Henshaw, MCsharry, Healy, Ronaldson, Marmion, Buckley, JHW, White, Muldowney, Kearney, Muldoon, Faloon, McKeon

Heffernan, Loughney, Ah You, Browne, Masterson, Blade, Nikora, O'Halloran

Pretty Strong

slingerz

justsomebloke wrote: »

but that wasn't the aim of this post. This was more about replacing our use of NIQ and replacing it with a player transfer/loan scheme between the 4 provinces to maximise the quality of players within the system.

At the moment there are players at each of he provinces, whose own career maybe better served by having an extended loan at one of the other provinces, which would still strengthenthe provinces at the same time. And I was just seeing who people thought these players may be

I think it's a fantastic idea in principle really. Should improve the international squad chances also. As with Munster the need to improve centre options is evident while the surplus of backrows is evident. McCloskey could be an excellent centre parter for Earls for example while Paddy Butler would fit in well into the Ulster back row.

The project player idea is beneficial to bring in the likes of Payne, Stander etc. but I'm sure it'd be preferable to see IQ sides representing the 4 provinces.

I'm sure the IQ approach would bring home a share of the irish players operating abroad in order to fill up the squads. I'm sure it would be interesting to see James Hart line out in a provincial side and see how he compares to the existing options.

porterbelly

Homegrown XV

1.Buckley
2.Henry/Heffernan
3.Loughney
4.Andrew Browne
5.Damian Browne
6.Muldoon
7.Rory Moloney
8.McKeon
9.Marmion (academy)
10. Carty
11.TOH
12.Griffin
13.Henshaw
14.Shane Layden
15.Darragh Leader

Zzippy

porterbelly wrote: »

Homegrown XV

1.Buckley
2.Henry
3.Heffernan/Henry
4.Andrew Browne
5.Damian Browne
6.Muldoon
7.Rory Moloney
8.McKeon
9.Marmion (academy)
10. Carty
11.TOH
12.Griffin
13.Henshaw
14.Shane Layden
15.Darragh Leader

I'd have Loughney at TH tbh. Dillane was in the academy, was he not? I'd have him at 4 and Browne in the back row ahead of Moloney

justsomebloke

jacothelad wrote: »

Ulster need back row players. There is a surfeit in other provinces. Ulster have too many high quality centres to utilise them

This is kind of where the idea came from. 2 years ago if you had asked me if I would be in any confident of Leinster going into a European game with a backrow of Ryan, Conan and Murphy I would of said not in the slightest. However that isn't the case now.

Leinster's misfortune has been a lot of players good fortune. But if Leinster hadn't been as unlucky with injury were would these players be?

I think Dom Ryan is the perfect example. I think he has missed the boat on being the player he could of been as there was simply to many people in front of him. If he had taken an extended 'loan' spell of 2-3 years some where else. He could well have gotten a few international caps.

a good few years ago I kept on banging on that I thought a loan spell for Toner would do him the world of good but in the end he got the game time here and came good. However Roux has taken the chance of a loan spell and it will probably do him the world of good and should be an example to others that going some where else isn't the end of the world

Fireball07 wrote: »

Or do you mean players at a slightly higher level. For example, someone like Luke Marshall who is seriously talented but may struggle to start with competition from Olding & McCloskey, traded for someone like... I dunno, Jordi Murphy at Leinster?

This would be the type of player I would be focusing on. Fringe players that could have potential but for varying reasons can't get a shot. Again I don't think it is about trading players more giving people a shot to reach their potential.

porterbelly

Zzippy wrote: »

I'd have Loughney at TH tbh. Dillane was in the academy, was he not? I'd have him at 4 and Browne in the back row ahead of Moloney

Misprint, meant Loughney at 3

Hagz

If Marmion and Moloney count for Connacht then Ruddock has to count for Leinster!

Zzippy

Hagz wrote: »

If Marmion and Moloney count for Connacht then Ruddock has to count for Leinster!

Feck off, we need some advantage, especially seeing as you only allowed us 22 players in your selection! :pac: