Slurry

J DEERE

Tanks are near full here now, going agitating tomorrow to hopefully drop a couple of feet until closed period finishes. Problem we have is anywhere dry enough to spread has s good cover of grass. What are yer experiences of spreading on grass covers? Will it make any difference or should it be avoided?

visatorro

should be avoided really imo. is injection an option?

valtra2

When is opening date

cocoman

valtra2 wrote: »

When is opening date

15-31 January depending on your location.

ABlur

valtra2 wrote: »

When is opening date

Zone A 12th January
Zone B 15th January
Zone C 31st January

See maps on page 6 of the attachment:

http://www.agriculture.gov.ie/media/migration/ruralenvironment/environment/nitrates/NitratesExplanatoryHandbook14Mar2014.pdf

f140

my tank is hardly half full yet. Was able to keep them out a lot longer this year due to a surplus of grass. Even have a very good wedge of grass left but conditions now are a bit too soft. its nice when your not under pressure to spread it .

Bullocks

J DEERE wrote: »

Tanks are near full here now, going agitating tomorrow to hopefully drop a couple of feet until closed period finishes. Problem we have is anywhere dry enough to spread has s good cover of grass. What are yer experiences of spreading on grass covers? Will it make any difference or should it be avoided?

I think this is a problem in a few places . If it's watery stuff and not put out too heavy and maybe with a few showers it shouldn't be too much of a problem after 2/3 weeks for them to eat the grass after . We won't be letting out anything much earlier than that anyhow .
Might not be able to empty the tank that way but it could get enough out to take the pressure off for a month or so and isnt little and often better with slurry anyhow

f140

Bullocks wrote: »

I think this is a problem in a few places . If it's watery stuff and not put out too heavy and maybe with a few showers it shouldn't be too much of a problem after 2/3 weeks for them to eat the grass after . We won't be letting out anything much earlier than that anyhow .
Might not be able to empty the tank that way but it could get enough out to take the pressure off for a month or so and isnt little and often better with slurry anyhow

im not a big fan of the little and often approach with slurry as I find the slurry tanker is very bad for compaction. When I do a field I spread it very heavy so it wont be done again for another half year. if you think about it you are nearly always travelling the small track with a slurry tank in the field because you will spread so far out from the ditch the same time every time and the next line will be the same aswell so the two slurry lines meet up.

Bullocks

f140 wrote: »

im not a big fan of the little and often approach with slurry as I find the slurry tanker is very bad for compaction. When I do a field I spread it very heavy so it wont be done again for another half year. if you think about it you are nearly always travelling the small track with a slurry tank in the field because you will spread so far out from the ditch the same time every time and the next line will be the same aswell so the two slurry lines meet up.

Compaction is a fair point alright , but I still would prefer it over too much slurry at once .
Do the big wheels help avoid compaction ? We had smallish wheels on our 1100 gallon tank but started borrowing the contractors 1600 gallon tank that has tyres nearly as big as the back of the tractor and it leaves hardly any track on wet ground even !
I reckon too much slurry at once could lead to compaction also

blue5000

ABlur wrote: »

Zone A 12th January
Zone B 15th January
Zone C 31st January

See maps on page 6 of the attachment:

http://www.agriculture.gov.ie/media/migration/ruralenvironment/environment/nitrates/NitratesExplanatoryHandbook14Mar2014.pdf

Jasus aBlur there's 41 pages in that, sure that's tonight's homework/bedtime reading sorted. Thanks for posting the link up, I thought we were closed till 15 of Jan, but it's the 12th.

J DEERE

blue5000 wrote: »

Jasus aBlur there's 41 pages in that, sure that's tonight's homework/bedtime reading sorted. Thanks for posting the link up, I thought we were closed till 15 of Jan, but it's the 12th.

We are 15th here. Outdoor tank so it's mostly water. Shouldn't have much impact on the ground I'm spreading grazing wise. Won't be turning out until early to mid February weather depending

larrymiller

No closed period where I live just spread away!!!!!

whelan2

larrymiller wrote: »

No closed period where I live just spread away!!!!!

seems to be like that on a few farms around here, 1 lad was telling me he only has 6 weeks storage, i must be a bigger fool for spending alot of money to have enough storage

simx

larrymiller wrote: »

No closed period where I live just spread away!!!!!

Same around here, most nights for the last fortnight you could here a slurry tank buzzing somewhere then some lads really that don't care spread in the middle of the day no problem

larrymiller

Yeah my 3 neighbours spread during the day no bother even along the main road. Does many people get done for it?

visatorro

council have to act if they get a report so I suppose it depends on your neighbours. you'd wonder about spending a fortune on slurry storage. remember at the time there was a herd of cows for sale every week. they were getting out of milk because they couldn't justify spending a fortune. although saying that I remember getting inspection for sfp I only got away with things because I had planning permission in for a shed. came back the next year to make sure I had enough storage for 15 weeks. I just about have enough.

just do it

f140 wrote: »

im not a big fan of the little and often approach with slurry as I find the slurry tanker is very bad for compaction. When I do a field I spread it very heavy so it wont be done again for another half year. if you think about it you are nearly always travelling the small track with a slurry tank in the field because you will spread so far out from the ditch the same time every time and the next line will be the same aswell so the two slurry lines meet up.

Heavy application -> death of earthworms -> compaction. Little and often is preferable 1k/ac.

J DEERE

No common sense applied as is the case with most beauracracy. Our ground is fit to spread today but because of the closed period it's illegal to do so. Next week it could be heavy rain and sloppy ground but what difference it will be considered legal

C4d78

J DEERE wrote: »

No common sense applied as is the case with most beauracracy. Our ground is fit to spread today but because of the closed period it's illegal to do so. Next week it could be heavy rain and sloppy ground but what difference it will be considered legal

+1.

td5man

simx wrote: »

Same around here, most nights for the last fortnight you could here a slurry tank buzzing somewhere then some lads really that don't care spread in the middle of the day no problem

Only drawing attention to themselves spreading at night.
Department inspector said there's no point in hiding anything now with satellite inspection.

cocoman

J DEERE wrote: »

No common sense applied as is the case with most beauracracy. Our ground is fit to spread today but because of the closed period it's illegal to do so. Next week it could be heavy rain and sloppy ground but what difference it will be considered legal

Cant spread when heavy rain forecast within 24 hours.

Buford T. Justice XIX

cocoman wrote: »

Cant spread when heavy rain forecast within 24 hours.

What is considered 'heavy' rain?

The same amount of rain on heavy and light land would have very different effects.

holestin cowboy24

1 tank full to the brim today, shocking dry stuff, couldn't get agitator to go any further than half way, emptied 3 load to put back a few loads of water in the morn and stir again... the f...ing joys

Farmer Pudsey

With soil temperatures after dropping down to 5 and below in most of the country If you have enough storage should you delay spreading as long as possible or until temperature rise again ideally. Would the same apply to spreading Urea as opposed to Jack Kennedy advce

mahoney_j

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

With soil temperatures after dropping down to 5 and below in most of the country If you have enough storage should you delay spreading as long as possible or until temperature rise again ideally. Would the same apply to spreading Urea as opposed to Jack Kennedy advce

Same here going to hold off for a bit,too wet and too cold,could travel a few paddocks though but no point wasting valuable n p and k.fields that were blackend around here earlier in week now clean as a whistle and a fair chunk of nutrients leached off as well.as for urea and jk well urea is staying in bag till feb 1 or when soil temp goes over 6 whichever comes first and jk well leave him off giving advice from whatever kiwi journal he reads

ellewood

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

With soil temperatures after dropping down to 5 and below in most of the country If you have enough storage should you delay spreading as long as possible or until temperature rise again ideally. Would the same apply to spreading Urea as opposed to Jack Kennedy advce

Someone mentioned on here last year to add the average temp at 12.00 in the day and dont spread until you hit 200!
Even with some fairly high temps daily for the last few weeks id say were at 110-120 and with a few cold days on the way id say it will be Feb 1st before anything will go out here.

whelan2

lad coming tomorrow with umbilical spreader, going on paddocks with low covers that we could never spread on with tanker ever

td5man

ellewood wrote: »

Someone mentioned on here last year to add the average temp at 12.00 in the day and dont spread until you hit 200!
Even with some fairly high temps daily for the last few weeks id say were at 110-120 and with a few cold days on the way id say it will be Feb 1st before anything will go out here.

T-sums ??

freedominacup

td5man wrote: »

T-sums ??

Yep. Only a guide.

yellow50HX

ellewood wrote: »

Someone mentioned on here last year to add the average temp at 12.00 in the day and dont spread until you hit 200!
Even with some fairly high temps daily for the last few weeks id say were at 110-120 and with a few cold days on the way id say it will be Feb 1st before anything will go out here.

If you spread when the soil temp gets into double figures (10degC). While ground conditions may be ok for spreading you won't get the full benifit of the slurry on cold ground. Got about a fornight of storage so hope things warm up for me.

Good loser

just do it wrote: »

Heavy application -> death of earthworms -> compaction. Little and often is preferable 1k/ac.

I've noticed that back the years - death of earthworms after heavy applications.

What is the reason for that effect?

just do it

Good loser wrote: »

I've noticed that back the years - death of earthworms after heavy applications.

What is the reason for that effect?

Block the channels in the soil and thus starve the earthworms of air/oxygen. No more than 1k gal/ac is recommended. For more look at this thread http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=85624502

9935452

J DEERE wrote: »

We are 15th here. Outdoor tank so it's mostly water. Shouldn't have much impact on the ground I'm spreading grazing wise. Won't be turning out until early to mid February weather depending

unless it has changed , you can always spread dirty water at any stage. Its just how do you classify very dirty water/slurry from each other

Farmer Pudsey

9935452 wrote: »

unless it has changed , you can always spread dirty water at any stage. Its just how do you classify very dirty water/slurry from each other

Anything that comes out of a outdoor tank is considered as slurry. Washing from parlours and from collecting yards where minimal feces are going in to a seperate tank are considered dirty water.

farmerjj

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

Anything that comes out of a outdoor tank is considered as slurry. Washing from parlours and from collecting yards where minimal feces are going in to a seperate tank are considered dirty water.

Would dirty water not be just the washing for the milking parlour/dairy?? I would have thought the collecting yard would be considered slurry?

MFdaveIreland

An agronomist once told me that 75% of compaction is carried out with the first pass,

Hard to know whether to stick to same tracks like the larger cereal farmers do ( controlled traffic farming) and just compact the same areas each time and the remaining bits, in theory get compacted hardly at all.

http://www.controlledtrafficfarming.com/Home/Default.aspx

Ive always heard of a rate of 2k gallons to the acre, but that may be for silage ground only, but i do often see people going out with umbilical/ tankers in february and painting the place black, and then cannot graze for a quite a few weeks

darragh_haven

This is a covered slurry lagoon. Its about a third full. The liquid you see is rain water on top of the cover.

einn32

Farmer Pudsey wrote:

Anything that comes out of a outdoor tank is considered as slurry. Washing from parlours and from collecting yards where minimal feces are going in to a seperate tank are considered dirty water.

I thought the definition was based on the Biological Oxygen Demand of the substance? I guess it makes it more straightforward for an inspector to use your definition.

dodo mommy

can anyone tell me how soon after spreading slurry will I be able to graze the fields

Nekarsulm

dodo mommy wrote: »

can anyone tell me how soon after spreading slurry will I be able to graze the fields

Depends how thick the slurry was, and what the weather is like afterwards. But generally it will be three weeks, allowing a light application of runny slurry and good growing conditions with showers to get the slurry down off the leaf.