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Cure for ringworm

  • 04-01-2015 1:13pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,282 ✭✭✭


    Have a pen of weanlings here that are going through a bad dose of ringworm since they were housed 3/4 wks ago. Only 6/7 had it at housing, and most of them infected now. Any known cure? Please don't tell me "holly bush", cos that's there, and not working.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,241 ✭✭✭✭Kovu


    Before you get any silly answers I'm going to point everyone here. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 794 ✭✭✭degetme


    [MOD SNIP]

    Look at the post above this please.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 300 ✭✭welton john


    Have a pen of weanlings here that are going through a bad dose of ringworm since they were housed 3/4 wks ago. Only 6/7 had it at housing, and most of them infected now. Any known cure? Please don't tell me "holly bush", cos that's there, and not working.
    Got Orficide spray from vet(also goes by dermicidal).Good spray on affected areas.repeat bad case week later. e12 bottle treated opprox 15 here


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 9,041 Mod ✭✭✭✭greysides


    Ringworm Notes:

    Caused by fungal spores that can last years in the environment, especially timber. It spreads directly from infected animals and asymptomatic carriers or, indirectly, by contaminated equipment or clothing. Worst in younger animals (no previous exposure or immunity); a problem of intensive housing (high humidity with warmth, lack of light, long winter coats, close contact), poor nutrition (lack of Vitamins A and D in preserved fodder) and concurrent disease (weakens immunity and lice cause scratching which help pick up and spread of spores).

    Prevention is therefore early treatment of initial cases and tackling factors mentioned earlier…improve immunity, not mixing different age groups (variable immune statuses), good ventilation, smaller groups and avoid over-crowding, ensuring adequate mineral/vitamin intake and treatment of other diseases especially those that can easily escape notice ( sub-acute pneumonia, lice, coccidiosis). Use an all-in, all-out system where possible.

    Creosoting timber, white washing walls, power-washing and then disinfection with an effective disinfectant (check label as not all are effective) are useful means to lower environmental contamination. A new disinfectant (Steri-7) which remains active for up to 14 days after application and can be applied in soiled conditions holds promise.

    Ringworm vaccines (Bovilis Ringvac) are effective is the prevention and treatment of animals with ringworm. Only a primary course of two injections, 10-14 days apart, is needed as immunity is long-lasting. Animals can be treated from 2 weeks old and the immunity should be protective three weeks after the second injection.

    Washes (Imaverol, Mycophyt) can be sprayed on after brush removal (soak in solution) of scabs. Spray whole animal with the first application to reach subclinical lesions, Imaverol is repeated 3-4 times at 3 day intervals. Mycophyt is applied similarly and treatment is repeated 4-5 days later. They both can be used in pregnant and lactating animals.

    Many topical treatments have been traditionally reported to be successful in cattle, but because spontaneous recovery is common, effectiveness is difficult to prove. Individual animals should still be treated, to limit both progression of existing lesions and spread to cohorts. Thick crusts should be removed gently with a brush, and the material burned or disinfected with hypochlorite solution. Treatment options depend on allowed usage of some agents in animals meant for slaughter.
    Agents reported to be of use include washes or sprays of 4% lime sulfur, 0.5% sodium hypochlorite (1:10 household bleach), 0.5% chlorhexidine, 1% povidone-iodine. Individual lesions can be treated with miconazole or clotrimazole lotions.

    3.75% thiabendazole in glycerine applied locally on the lesions four times at three day intervals is 86% effective. 5% Tincture of Iodine applied similarly was only 47% effective.

    It is important to note that griseofulvin (Fulcin) is no longer licensed for food producing species and should NOT be used.

    It is good to remember that ringworm affects humans, particularly adolescents.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,718 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    We have used Imravol in the past. Very effective. Mix up in a 10litre garden sprayer and scrubb badly crusted stuff before spraying. They need a good drenching and at €20 to make 4 litres it's not cheap.

    Recently found Iodine spray also effective and cheaper, but slower to cure it.

    Sunlight helps but that won't e any use till better weather.

    I think weaker animals hold it longer so plenty if minerals and vitamins.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,214 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    _Brian wrote: »
    We have used Imravol in the past. Very effective. Mix up in a 10litre garden sprayer and scrubb badly crusted stuff before spraying. They need a good drenching and at €20 to make 4 litres it's not cheap.

    Recently found Iodine spray also effective and cheaper, but slower to cure it.

    Sunlight helps but that won't e any use till better weather.

    I think weaker animals hold it longer so plenty if minerals and vitamins.
    got a big bucket/lick from mayo health care,one group completely clear now other group are on second bucket, if there are under lying health issues the ringworm lingers longer. Make sure to wear gloves if handling them as ringwrm is highly contagious


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 470 ✭✭joejobrien


    used opticide here for a number of animals. worked very well although caught in very good time.
    It is an approved food grade disinfectant. Lad on journal sells.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,282 ✭✭✭Deepsouthwest


    Thanx for the replies, will probably go with one of the sprays and mineral lick from mayo health care to start. Hate seeing it going through them all


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,282 ✭✭✭Deepsouthwest


    whelan2 wrote: »
    got a big bucket/lick from mayo health care,one group completely clear now other group are on second bucket, if there are under lying health issues the ringworm lingers longer. Make sure to wear gloves if handling them as ringwrm is highly contagious

    What it a specific mineral lick or just a broad spec mineral mix?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,710 ✭✭✭flutered


    Nope, we are not going there. It is not approved or legal to use.

    Please reacquaint yourself with the F&F Charter- Specifically this part

    Specifically prohibited from discussion/suggestion as treatments are:

    Waste/burnt oil, Creosote, Turpentine, White Spirits, Jeyes Fluid, Domestos.


    Kovu


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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,753 Mod ✭✭✭✭blue5000


    Try seaweed meal, worked for me last year. Weanlings, that is not me personally:o

    If the seat's wet, sit on yer hat, a cool head is better than a wet ar5e.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,214 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    What it a specific mineral lick or just a broad spec mineral mix?
    4 in 1 bucket extra high in zinc,cobalt,selenium


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,214 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    blue5000 wrote: »
    Try seaweed meal, worked for me last year. Weanlings, that is not me personally:o
    i often wonder is it just a time thing and it will eventually disappear


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,718 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    whelan2 wrote: »
    i often wonder is it just a time thing and it will eventually disappear

    I think that with strong healthy animals, yes. They shake it off, but animals lacking in any way don't shake it so easily and it can become just another burden for them.

    I just can't leave it and see, any time it appears we treat it. Hate the sight of it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,282 ✭✭✭Deepsouthwest


    _Brian wrote: »
    I think that with strong healthy animals, yes. They shake it off, but animals lacking in any way don't shake it so easily and it can become just another burden for them.

    I just can't leave it and see, any time it appears we treat it. Hate the sight of it.

    What do u treat it with Brian?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,175 ✭✭✭Kevhog1988


    I use iodine on horses but would be time consuming


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,718 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    What do u treat it with Brian?

    Imravol or Iodine.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,083 ✭✭✭bogman_bass


    whelan2 wrote: »
    i often wonder is it just a time thing and it will eventually disappear
    if it was close to the summer I wouldnt bother my backside treating it because sunlight clears it up but this time of year it needs looking after.

    I'm using Imrovol at the moment. not entirely convinced about how effective it is.
    Ringvac is excelent but a bit more expensive


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,316 ✭✭✭tanko


    if it was close to the summer I wouldnt bother my backside treating it because sunlight clears it up but this time of year it needs looking after.

    I'm using Imrovol at the moment. not entirely convinced about how effective it is.
    Ringvac is excelent but a bit more expensive

    Is Ringvac still available?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 281 ✭✭invicta


    Fulcin powder fed with meal used to be the cure,but don't know if still available!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,282 ✭✭✭Deepsouthwest


    invicta wrote: »
    Fulcin powder fed with meal used to be the cure,but don't know if still available!

    That's definitely gone


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,214 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    invicta wrote: »
    Fulcin powder fed with meal used to be the cure,but don't know if still available!

    Nope off market. I got ringworm when I was 8. Lost my hair. Also had it on my leg and arm. Had to be kept off school. Went to different doctors etc for lotions,potions and the cure. Hair grew back very light. Specialist said I was a very bad case!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 278 ✭✭micky mouse


    blue5000 wrote: »
    Try seaweed meal, worked for me last year. Weanlings, that is not me personally:o
    were your stock bad with it when you started using the seaweed,did you use any other product/spray to get rid of it


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,554 ✭✭✭Limestone Cowboy


    whelan2 wrote: »
    Nope off market. I got ringworm when I was 8. Lost my hair. Also had it on my leg and arm. Had to be kept off school. Went to different doctors etc for lotions,potions and the cure. Hair grew back very light. Specialist said I was a very bad case!
    I got it myself on my arm a few years ago, I'll probably get lambasted for saying this but sprayed a bit of imavarol on it and it was gone within a fortnight. The auld fella used to have a beard with a big grey spot on it where he had gotten ringworm when he was a young fella aswell.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,753 Mod ✭✭✭✭blue5000


    were your stock bad with it when you started using the seaweed,did you use any other product/spray to get rid of it

    About 5 or 6 weanlings in a bunch of 20 had it, mainly around the eyes. I reckon the iodine in the seaweed must kill it. They would have got a Cu bolus as well going out to grass, but the hair was beginning to grow on them by then. It was roughly this time last yr they had it.

    If the seat's wet, sit on yer hat, a cool head is better than a wet ar5e.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,083 ✭✭✭bogman_bass


    tanko wrote: »
    Is Ringvac still available?
    its two years since I had to use it. Heard nothing about it getting pulled.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30 PDAhunter


    We had a batch of heifers wit it one year d auld fella [MOD SNIP]

    Sorry PDAhunter, but that sort of 'cure' is not allowed and has to be snipped.

    Kovu


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,385 ✭✭✭red bull


    Does hanging holly in the shed help ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 968 ✭✭✭Count Mondego


    red bull wrote: »
    Does hanging holly in the shed help ?

    Based on research from Boards, I got the auld lad to hang up some holy over the pen to see if would help. The fcukers ate every bit of it.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,239 ✭✭✭Willfarman


    <snip>

    Don't be smart! Guys, we cannot allow suggestions for how you paint your house.....tongue in cheek or not!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,316 ✭✭✭tanko


    Based on research from Boards, I got the auld lad to hang up some holy over the pen to see if would help. The fcukers ate every bit of it.

    But did it cure them?
    I think you need to hang it high enough so they can't reach it. No ringworm here for a few years now thankfully, I've no idea if the holly works or not.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,527 ✭✭✭on the river


    tanko wrote: »
    But did it cure them?
    I think you need to hang it high enough so they can't reach it. No ringworm here for a few years now thankfully, I've no idea if the holly works or not.

    my grandfather swore by the holly.

    A simple and practical solution.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 533 ✭✭✭RD10


    Had ringworm in weanlings 2-3yrs ago. They were absolutely laced in it from head to toe. Spread like wildfire. Tried everything on them. Few ppl suggested burnt oil...was painting it onto them for weeks and didnt do a thing for them.
    Have weanlings with ringworm this year but just around the eyes really with the odd spot over one or two of their hipbones.. but since i put up the holly it has kind've halted it from spreading.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,710 ✭✭✭flutered


    red bull wrote: »
    Does hanging holly in the shed help ?
    it does help prevent it, i doon about curing it, we have it on our shed, none so far this year,, also it is said having them out in sunlight helps, but i am a non believer in this, as cattle which are out can contact it from a carrier


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 342 ✭✭dodo mommy


    When hanging holly in the shed should their be a bit over every pen and how much is enough to hang over a pen?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 342 ✭✭dodo mommy


    I used idione with great affect this year and some if them were riddled with it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,710 ✭✭✭flutered


    dodo mommy wrote: »
    When hanging holly in the shed should their be a bit over every pen and how much is enough to hang over a pen?
    over evety pen, a few slips is enough, its a really old fokelore thing, some time it works, i doubt if it would cure, it definatly prevents


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25 williemakeit


    2 years ago we ran 2 stock bulls. Belgium blue and charolais. All the Belgium blue calves got ring worm, not one charolais, even though they were all together. Anyone ever notice anything similar


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 968 ✭✭✭Count Mondego


    tanko wrote: »
    But did it cure them?
    I think you need to hang it high enough so they can't reach it. No ringworm here for a few years now thankfully, I've no idea if the holly works or not.

    No, have a double pen of 16 weanling bullocks. About 8 of them are bought in from the same farm and they have it bad enough around the eyes, we've never had it before. I'll let the sun sort it out in a few weeks.


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